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cyberman · « **Reply #150 on:** July 16, 2015, 06:17:30 PM »

Quote from: trippymonkey on July 16, 2015, 09:41:05 AM

BA
What kind of Hell don't you believe in?

What a silly question!
I can't speak for BA of course, but I don't suppose he believes in any kind!
What kind of God don't you believe in?

trippymonkey · « **Reply #151 on:** July 16, 2015, 06:20:03 PM »

YOURS!!
So not such a silly question after all. Unless yours is too HAHAHAHAHA

cyberman · « **Reply #152 on:** July 16, 2015, 06:29:42 PM »

Quote from: trippymonkey on July 16, 2015, 06:20:03 PM

YOURS!!
So not such a silly question after all. Unless yours is too HAHAHAHAHA

Oh, so you believe in some of the others, then...?

trippymonkey · « **Reply #153 on:** July 16, 2015, 06:35:35 PM »

If we're being 'serious' for a mo, then I DO feel all other views of God are valid but ONLY for people of THAT faith. Obviously not for anyone else or they'd most probably BE of that faith.
Not at all keen on the OT god which is probably what happened to make Jesus help people see a better view. Shame it didn't work but you're only as good as your material ?!!?!?
Islam's god is even more appalling than the Christian one. Horrendous creature & more worthy of a demonic, controlling by fear mentality then something wanting the 'best' for us !!!

cyberman · « **Reply #154 on:** July 16, 2015, 06:42:12 PM »

Quote from: trippymonkey on July 16, 2015, 06:35:35 PM

If we're being 'serious' for a mo, then I DO feel all other views of God are valid but ONLY for people of THAT faith. Obviously not for anyone else or they'd most probably BE of that faith.
Not at all keen on the OT god which is probably what happened to make Jesus help people see a better view. Shame it didn't work but you're only as good as your material ?!!?!?
Islam's god is even more appalling than the Christian one. Horrendous creature & more worthy of a demonic, controlling by fear mentality then something wanting the 'best' for us !!!

A slight sidestepping there, I think - conceding that something is a valid belief for the people who hold that belief is not addressing the question of whether you actually believe in God.

Again, as I have pointed out before, you are basing your view of what Christians believe about God on a fundamentalist view of the Bible. Why is that?

trippymonkey · « **Reply #155 on:** July 16, 2015, 06:44:30 PM »

I don't feel it's a fundie attitude!?!?!?
NO sidestepping here - Ididn't say they were RIGHT in what they believe as I obviously DON'T.

cyberman · « **Reply #156 on:** July 16, 2015, 06:57:09 PM »

Quote from: trippymonkey on July 16, 2015, 06:44:30 PM

I don't feel it's a fundie attitude!?!?!?
NO sidestepping here - Ididn't say they were RIGHT in what they believe as I obviously DON'T.

No, I realise that!

But you are basing your idea of what Christians believe on a fundamentalist view of the bible. For example, you seem to think that Christians worship a god who flooded the world and killed (almost) everyone - but most Christians do not believe that such an event ever occurred.

trippymonkey · « **Reply #157 on:** July 16, 2015, 07:17:05 PM »

AAH You belong to the Pick-N-Choose group of Christians.

We ARE Christians we just don't believe the Bible or parts thereof.
I get it now.
Byee

cyberman · « **Reply #158 on:** July 16, 2015, 07:21:20 PM »

Quote from: trippymonkey on July 16, 2015, 07:17:05 PM

AAH You belong to the Pick-N-Choose group of Christians.
We ARE Christians we just don't believe the Bible or parts thereof.
I get it now.
Byee

Why does it make sense to you to suggest that if lots of works are compiled into one compendium, then you either have to believe all of it or none of it?

trippymonkey · « **Reply #159 on:** July 16, 2015, 10:00:49 PM »

OK So what exactly IS a Christian???

Technically I could be a part-time Christian too.

Glory Be !?!!?!?

BashfulAnthony · « **Reply #160 on:** July 16, 2015, 10:44:54 PM »

Quote from: trippymonkey on July 16, 2015, 10:00:49 PM

OK So what exactly IS a Christian???

Technically I could be a part-time Christian too.
Glory Be !?!!?!?

A Christian is someone who believes in the life and Resurrection, and the teachings of Jesus Christ. Simple. I have posted that so many times...

trippymonkey · « **Reply #161 on:** July 16, 2015, 10:46:21 PM »

And 'THAT'S ALL'?!?!?!?!!?
What about actions as well as faith or belief?

BashfulAnthony · « **Reply #162 on:** July 16, 2015, 10:53:56 PM »

Quote from: trippymonkey on July 16, 2015, 10:46:21 PM

And 'THAT'S ALL'?!?!?!?!!?
What about actions as well as faith or belief?

What about them? A Christian will try to follow Jesus' teachings, and those teachings should define his actions.

Hope · « **Reply #163 on:** July 17, 2015, 08:34:46 AM »

Quote from: trippymonkey on July 16, 2015, 07:17:05 PM

AAH You belong to the Pick-N-Choose group of Christians.
We ARE Christians we just don't believe the Bible or parts thereof.
I get it now.
Byee

Not sure that its a matter of not 'believing the Bible or parts thereof'; rather it's a matter of understanding which parts should be believed as historical, which poetic, which which revelationary and which analogously. Parables are examples of the latter genre; the Psalms and the Song of Solomon are examples of the poetic genre; etc. It is then a case of teasing out what the authors of such genres were saying and/or teaching.

trippymonkey · « **Reply #164 on:** July 17, 2015, 08:50:36 AM »

YES THAT'S Ok !! It's when some here think there's bits of The Bible they can just dispense with as it doesn't suit their criteria ??!!?!

Hope · « **Reply #165 on:** July 17, 2015, 09:40:15 AM »

Quote from: trippymonkey on July 17, 2015, 08:50:36 AM

YES THAT'S Ok !! It's when some here think there's bits of The Bible they can just dispense with as it doesn't suit their criteria ??!!?!

A knowledge of the Old Testament is not a prerequisite to Christian faith, Nick. It can be a useful commentary on the New Testament material - but many people around the world have never had access to the OT, yet are Christians.

cyberman · « **Reply #166 on:** July 17, 2015, 11:05:13 AM »

Quote from: trippymonkey on July 17, 2015, 08:50:36 AM

YES THAT'S Ok !! It's when some here think there's bits of The Bible they can just dispense with as it doesn't suit their criteria ??!!?!

And what evidence is there that anyone thinks that?

trippymonkey · « **Reply #167 on:** July 17, 2015, 11:14:56 AM »

HOPE
So you're saying one, as a Christian, need know NOTHING about the OT at all!?!?!?

Cyberchump
Love the irony & rhetoric there !!! Well Done ?!?!!?

cyberman · « **Reply #168 on:** July 17, 2015, 11:25:06 AM »

Quote from: trippymonkey on July 17, 2015, 11:14:56 AM

HOPE
So you're saying one, as a Christian, need know NOTHING about the OT at all!?!?!?

Cyberchump
Love the irony & rhetoric there !!! Well Done ?!?!!?

Oh look, Bobo, you accidentally forgot to answer the question. What evidence is there that Christians think that they can disregard bits of the Bible if they don't meet their criteria? (Rather than disregarding them for other reasons)

floo · « **Reply #169 on:** July 17, 2015, 12:37:58 PM »

Quote from: Hope on July 17, 2015, 09:40:15 AM

Quote from: trippymonkey on July 17, 2015, 08:50:36 AM
YES THAT'S Ok !! It's when some here think there's bits of The Bible they can just dispense with as it doesn't suit their criteria ??!!?!
A knowledge of the Old Testament is not a prerequisite to Christian faith, Nick. It can be a useful commentary on the New Testament material - but many people around the world have never had access to the OT, yet are Christians.

I thought Jesus, as a Jew, based his faith on the deity featured in the OT?

Hope · « **Reply #170 on:** July 17, 2015, 12:42:37 PM »

Quote from: Floo on July 17, 2015, 12:37:58 PM

I thought Jesus, as a Jew, based his faith on the OT?

Whilst closely related, Christianity is not merely an extension of Judaism. As I said before, one doesn't need to have access to the Old Testament to be able to be a Christian, in much the same way that one doesn't have to have read the Hobbit before one can appreciate the Lord of The Rings, or have read Caesar's Commentarii de Bello Gallico before reading a history of the 2nd World War.

Hope · « **Reply #171 on:** July 17, 2015, 12:45:57 PM »

Quote from: Floo on July 17, 2015, 12:37:58 PM

I thought Jesus, as a Jew, based his faith on the deity featured in the OT?

As you have modified your post whilst I was reponding to it, I will respond to the amendment in a separate post here. Jesus was and is the deity that is featured in the Old Testament, so your question is nonsensical.

Leonard James · « **Reply #172 on:** July 17, 2015, 01:01:41 PM »

Quote from: Hope on July 17, 2015, 12:45:57 PM

Quote from: Floo on July 17, 2015, 12:37:58 PM
I thought Jesus, as a Jew, based his faith on the deity featured in the OT?
As you have modified your post whilst I was reponding to it, I will respond to the amendment in a separate post here. Jesus was and is the deity that is featured in the Old Testament, so your question is nonsensical.

Yes of course, that's why he referred to his father in heaven.

BashfulAnthony · « **Reply #173 on:** July 17, 2015, 01:13:11 PM »

Quote from: cyberman on July 16, 2015, 06:17:30 PM

Quote from: trippymonkey on July 16, 2015, 09:41:05 AM
BA
What kind of Hell don't you believe in?

What a silly question!
I can't speak for BA of course, but I don't suppose he believes in any kind!
What kind of God don't you believe in?

Correct, cyberman.

Hope · « **Reply #174 on:** July 17, 2015, 01:41:49 PM »

Quote from: Leonard James on July 17, 2015, 01:01:41 PM

Yes of course, that's why he referred to his father in heaven.

That's right, Len. He was and is of the same substance as the Father as the Nicene Creed puts it.

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Author Topic: Just supposing........... (Read 68820 times)

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