Just supposing...........

[Leonard James]

Yes of course, that's why he referred to his father in heaven.

That's right, Len.  He was and is of the same substance as the Father as the Nicene Creed puts it.

Not really ... half his genes were from his mother.

[floo]

I thought Jesus, as a Jew, based his faith on the deity featured in the OT?

As you have modified your post whilst I was reponding to it, I will respond to the amendment in a separate post here.  Jesus was and is the deity that is featured in the Old Testament, so your question is nonsensical.

Jesus was a Jewish male born to a young girl without a wedding ring, no doubt conceived in the usual way, by Joseph or another male. He was no sort of deity and certainly not the unpleasant one featured in the OT. I reckon the guy was charismatic and managed to convince his rather gullible followers he was more than human. Jesus got up the noses of the religious mafia of the day and they convinced the Romans to crucify him. The gospel stories, written years after his tragic death, were either highly exaggerated or untrue, imo!

[cyberman]

YES THAT'S Ok !! It's when some here think there's bits of The Bible they can just dispense with as it doesn't suit their criteria ??!!?!

A knowledge of the Old Testament is not a prerequisite to Christian faith, Nick.  It can be a useful commentary on the New Testament material - but many people around the world have never had access to the OT, yet are Christians.

I thought Jesus, as a Jew, based his faith on the deity featured in the OT?

Of course he did. He was a Jew. And...?

[Hope]

In my opinion, Jesus was a Jewish male born to a young girl without a wedding ring, no doubt conceived in the usual way, by Joseph or another male. In my opinion, he was no sort of deity and certainly not the unpleasant one featured in the OT. I reckon the guy was charismatic and managed to convince his rather gullible followers he was more than human. Jesus got up the noses of the religious mafia of the day and they convinced the Romans to crucify him. The gospel stories, written years after his tragic death, were either highly exaggerated or untrue, imo!

FIFY, Floo.  By the way, I haven't found an unpleasant deity on a single page of the OT.  You clearly have a very odd understanding of said deity.

[Hope]

Not really ... in my opinion, half his genes were from his mother.

FIFY, Len.

[BeRational]

In my opinion, Jesus was a Jewish male born to a young girl without a wedding ring, no doubt conceived in the usual way, by Joseph or another male. In my opinion, he was no sort of deity and certainly not the unpleasant one featured in the OT. I reckon the guy was charismatic and managed to convince his rather gullible followers he was more than human. Jesus got up the noses of the religious mafia of the day and they convinced the Romans to crucify him. The gospel stories, written years after his tragic death, were either highly exaggerated or untrue, imo!

FIFY, Floo.  By the way, I haven't found an unpleasant deity on a single page of the OT.  You clearly have a very odd understanding of said deity.

Or perhaps you of unpleasant.

The flood myth?

[Leonard James]

Not really ... in my opinion, half his genes were from his mother.

FIFY, Len.

Oh mY! So Mary produced a gene-less baby Jesus! The story gets more intriguing by the minute! 

How on earth did he grow into a man in her womb with no xy gene? In fact how did he turn out a human at all, with no genes?

[cyberman]

Not really ... in my opinion, half his genes were from his mother.

FIFY, Len.

Oh mY! So Mary produced a gene-less baby Jesus! The story gets more intriguing by the minute! 

How on earth did he grow into a man in her womb with no xy gene? In fact how did he turn out a human at all, with no genes?

There's no such thing as an XY gene.

[Hope]

How on earth did he grow into a man in her womb with no xy gene? In fact how did he turn out a human at all, with no genes?

He's God, so normal human conditions don't apply.  I appreciate you find that the concept of God, let alone God becoming human difficult to understand, but don't assume that your pov has to be the correct one.

[floo]

How on earth did he grow into a man in her womb with no xy gene? In fact how did he turn out a human at all, with no genes?

He's God, so normal human conditions don't apply.  I appreciate you find that the concept of God, let alone God becoming human difficult to understand, but don't assume that your pov has to be the correct one.

Yeh right!!!!!

[cyberman]

How on earth did he grow into a man in her womb with no xy gene? In fact how did he turn out a human at all, with no genes?

He's God, so normal human conditions don't apply.  I appreciate you find that the concept of God, let alone God becoming human difficult to understand, but don't assume that your pov has to be the correct one.

Yeh right!!!!!

What do you mean?

[Shaker]

It means pull the other one; or, what other ridiculous fish stories are you going to try to palm us off with?

[floo]

How on earth did he grow into a man in her womb with no xy gene? In fact how did he turn out a human at all, with no genes?

He's God, so normal human conditions don't apply.  I appreciate you find that the concept of God, let alone God becoming human difficult to understand, but don't assume that your pov has to be the correct one.

Yeh right!!!!!

What do you mean?

I mean there is no evidence a deity does exist, so stating as a fact something that can only be wishful thinking on the part of the poster is not being truthful.

[Leonard James]

How on earth did he grow into a man in her womb with no xy gene? In fact how did he turn out a human at all, with no genes?

He's God, so normal human conditions don't apply.  I appreciate you find that the concept of God, let alone God becoming human difficult to understand, but don't assume that your pov has to be the correct one.

But I thought the Bible says that Jesus is "God" made man. Is that not correct?

[Walt Zingmatilder]

How on earth did he grow into a man in her womb with no xy gene? In fact how did he turn out a human at all, with no genes?

He's God, so normal human conditions don't apply.  I appreciate you find that the concept of God, let alone God becoming human difficult to understand, but don't assume that your pov has to be the correct one.

But I thought the Bible says that Jesus is "God" made man. Is that not correct?

Hope............. Len is a dyed in the wool materialist and merely holds the position of ''angry that other people aren't''.

[trippymonkey]

How on earth did he grow into a man in her womb with no xy gene? In fact how did he turn out a human at all, with no genes?

He's God, so normal human conditions don't apply.  I appreciate you find that the concept of God, let alone God becoming human difficult to understand, but don't assume that your pov has to be the correct one.

Just who was Jesus praying to when he said he was communing with his father ?!!?!?!??

[Leonard James]

Hope............. Len is a dyed in the wool materialist and merely holds the position of ''angry that other people aren't''.

Wrong again, Vaca!  Amused maybe, and even a tad sad, but no way angry. I seldom find anything worth getting angry about. People are just people, and once you accept that life becomes a lot smoother.

[cyberman]

How on earth did he grow into a man in her womb with no xy gene? In fact how did he turn out a human at all, with no genes?

He's God, so normal human conditions don't apply.  I appreciate you find that the concept of God, let alone God becoming human difficult to understand, but don't assume that your pov has to be the correct one.

Just who was Jesus praying to when he said he was communing with his father ?!!?!?!??

His father, perhaps?

[Shaker]

Isn't it alleged that at some point he's supposed to have said "I and the Father are one"?

[cyberman]

Isn't it alleged that at some point he's supposed to have said "I and the Father are one"?

Yes it is

[trippymonkey]

NOT We are the same though.

[Sassy]

You are really show  ignorance if you cannot fathom that out for yourself even without reading the bible....

Are you in denial about what is written about your God in the Bible.

Mans history reads far worse than anything in the bible... Does that make all mankind evil and unworthy of saving?  I know God created man and gave him all he needed to a live a wonderful life on earth. I know man decided to ignore the warnings and died.... Do you feel you can argue mankind are wonderful human beings given their history?

As a punishment, the Lord will cause people to eat the flesh of their own sons and daughters and fathers and friends.

Maybe Floo has read more of the book than you give her credit for.

Floo takes the themes from other sites where she has seen the topic and the arguments raised...

Throughout history man has eaten human flesh...
Not sure what the argument is with that verse. He doesn't force them. They could have just repented or starved to death...

Would you eat your sons and daughters if you were starving?

But that has NOTHING to do with what was being asked and discussed .... did it?

The crazy 'you must be 'saved', or go to hell', dogma was true. How would you, as a 'born  again'Christian, feel if someone as wicked as Hitler made a deathbed conversion, having never done anything decent in his life, yet an atheist who died trying to save others from his evil regime went to hell?

I just can't get my head around how anyone could find anything loving about a deity who created such an unfair scenario.

So why do you think you can change the subject for something not relevant to it ?....

[Sassy]

It is my frequent reading of that book which makes me ask the question, 'WHAT IS GOOD ABOUT THE DEITY', to which there is never an answer! 

Perhaps you never read those answers.  But hang on, you responded to them with such inconsequential responses as to show that you have no idea of what you wrote.

Well go on enlighten me as to what is good about a deity who supposedly floods the planet, gets a young girl pregnant so her son can die a terrible death?  Just to name two of its crimes.

How many men get their wives pregnant so their sons and daughters can go and fight in the armed forces and die?
Did the son of daughter get forced or do they volunteer now?

No one forced Mary she accepted Gods will for her.... No one forced Christ.....
God warned man through Noah but did they listen or repent?

Your problem is your own attitude towards what you read or what you have heard... It is one where you want everyone else to be in the wrong but you.

[Hope]

NOT We are the same though.

... and your point? 

[Hope]

But I thought the Bible says that Jesus is "God" made man. Is that not correct?

Correct, so Jesus was God in human form.

The argument that you and others use seems to be that there is no God, and therefore anything that is claimed for God is impossible.  I'm afraid that I don't subscribe to that, preferring to have a more open mind than that way of thinking.