Just supposing...........

[jeremyp]

The behaviour of some of the 'saved' mob of Christians, who think only they are going to end of in heaven is truly appalling. We have witnessed some of it on this forum! They think they have some sort of moral high ground, yet behave no better, and often much worse, than the heathen they just love to hate!

Yet some of the most abusive posts I've read on this and other forums, Floo, have been 'penned' by the atheists amongst the forums' members.

No atheist on this forum comes close to the likes of Johnny Canoe, Vlad, Bashful Anthony and TW for abusive posts.

[Hope]

Because of things like confirmation bias.

Something, of course, that non-religious people never suffer from, Jeremy

Religious ideas are particularly pernicious in this respect.

Why is a belief in a creator God any more pernicious than a belief in evolution with no purpose or design behind it?

[Sassy]

The behaviour of some of the 'saved' mob of Christians, who think only they are going to end of in heaven is truly appalling.

Why do make unfounded assumptions. The 'saved' mob are not going to heaven because of anything they did past or present.
They are going because God has forgiven their sins because Jesus Christ has paid the price for them. What is your excuse.. you are not really nice are you when it comes to attacking believers... The only reason you are not going to heave is because.....

Did you mean 'end up' not 'end of'

We have witnessed some of it on this forum!

Who is WE are you deeming to speak for all on the forum..
What you are witnessing is your own bias and jealousy. Also the baiting in your post and insulting of believers in a general free for all.
There is no appalling behaviour. You just do not like it when they answer you back and show how little knowledge you really have.
You come to tear down but end up falling yourself.

They think they have some sort of moral high ground,

That sounds like Satan accusing the Saints... But if you actually knew the truth then you would know that Christ is the truth and the way they are saved. That his life was perfect without sin and showing true love for God and Man. A believer is a person who recognises their sin, their lack and their need for forgiveness from God.
What is your excuse... why do you believe you are better than they...As Christ said...''Let he/she who is without sin cast the first stone...

yet behave no better, and often much worse, than the heathen they just love to hate!

You are the one spreading hatred and lies about those who actually belong to God. Is your opinion about Christians and your condemnation of them any different to any other persons bias and hatred whatever form it is towards others who are different.


You condemn but you never show names or events to support accusations which have no foundation other than your personal opinion. In the here and now everyone knows that you make it up.


Jesus Christ.... is the answer and you cannot condemn him in anyway. So why not get over your false indignation and accept the truth about Jesus being the Son of God and the saviour. Why not become a true believer and find forgiveness for your false accusations...

[Hope]

No atheist on this forum comes close to the likes of Johnny Canoe, Vlad, Bashful Anthony and TW for abusive posts.

OK, Floo regards herself as an agnostic, but then the likes of Shakes, ippy, Gordon (occasionally), jakswan, even yourself are no better than those you've mentioned above.  Some of the dismissive posts penned by these are not only dismissive but rude, deprecatory (even towards some potentially on their own side of the debate) and occasionally couched in discriminatory language.

Just to take one example - Shakes' comment on the assisted dying thread which suggests that those who oppose the ideas that have been put forward aren't 'functioning fully above the neckline' - bearing in mind that there are, of course, people who may ONLY function fully above the neckline, yet hold a different opinion on the issue to him. Those you have listed in your post rarely stoop to that level of abuse.

[Leonard James]

No, it means that 'non god believers' come to the table with a different underlying understanding than do 'god believers'.

Yes indeed! An understanding that is not biased by ideas put their by religious belief.

After all, all one's preconceived ideas are based on this fundamental understanding of life.

And god beliefs muddy the water of that understanding.

[jeremyp]

Because of things like confirmation bias.

Something, of course, that non-religious people never suffer from, Jeremy

If you say so.

Religious ideas are particularly pernicious in this respect.

Why is a belief in a creator God any more pernicious than a belief in evolution with no purpose or design behind it?

Because you have so much invested in continuing it.

[ippy]

Because of things like confirmation bias.

Something, of course, that non-religious people never suffer from, Jeremy

Religious ideas are particularly pernicious in this respect.

Why is a belief in a creator God any more pernicious than a belief in evolution with no purpose or design behind it?

Hope, it's not exactly clear by the way you've worded this post of yours but I have to ask, are you a creationist as opposed to some believers, or those of faith that fully accept Darwin's theory?

ippy

[Hope]

Hope, it's not exactly clear by the way you've worded this post of yours but I have to ask, are you a creationist as opposed to some believers, or those of faith that fully accept Darwin's theory?

ippy, its not exactly clear what you are asking me here, but I assume you are asking me whether I am a believer in a Creator God who may have used evolution as one element of the creative process, or a believer in 'creationist science'.  As I have made very clear on a number of other occasions, I am not a believer in creationist science nor in what is commonly called 'creationism'.

[floo]

The behaviour of some of the 'saved' mob of Christians, who think only they are going to end of in heaven is truly appalling. We have witnessed some of it on this forum! They think they have some sort of moral high ground, yet behave no better, and often much worse, than the heathen they just love to hate!

Yet some of the most abusive posts I've read on this and other forums, Floo, have been 'penned' by the atheists amongst the forums' members.

I DON'T THINK SO! Besides which, isn't faith meant to make people better, or what is the point of it?

[Hope]

I DON'T THINK SO!

OK, I've accepted that you don't regard yourself to be an atheist.

Besides which, isn't faith meant to make people better, or what is the point of it?

For one thing, you have no idea what said people were like before they became Christians, Floo.  Secondly, faith isn't like a magic wand which makes someone perfect overnight; rather faith is a journey towards perfection, a journey which may be longer or shorter depending on one's start point (you'd appreciate this had you read the Bible in any way seriously).  Thirdly, in view of some of the abuse and unfounded claims about religion, let alone Christianity and Christians that I've seen from people on this and other forums, I am amazed at how restrained the vast majority of responses have been.

[floo]

I DON'T THINK SO!

OK, I've accepted that you don't regard yourself to be an atheist.

Besides which, isn't faith meant to make people better, or what is the point of it?

For one thing, you have no idea what said people were like before they became Christians, Floo.  Secondly, faith isn't like a magic wand which makes someone perfect overnight; rather faith is a journey towards perfection, a journey which may be longer or shorter depending on one's start point (you'd appreciate this had you read the Bible in any way seriously).  Thirdly, in view of some of the abuse and unfounded claims about religion, let alone Christianity and Christians that I've seen from people on this and other forums, I am amazed at how restrained the vast majority of responses have been.

I know one person who was a damned sight nicer to know before he become one of the 'born again' mob! He is now a sanctimonious twit. Do you really think that if Jesus was around today he would be proud of some of those who claim to be his buddies, but behave in a disgusting manner ?

[ippy]

Hope, it's not exactly clear by the way you've worded this post of yours but I have to ask, are you a creationist as opposed to some believers, or those of faith that fully accept Darwin's theory?

ippy, its not exactly clear what you are asking me here, but I assume you are asking me whether I am a believer in a Creator God who may have used evolution as one element of the creative process, or a believer in 'creationist science'.  As I have made very clear on a number of other occasions, I am not a believer in creationist science nor in what is commonly called 'creationism'.

Thank goodness for you Hope.

ippy

[Hope]

Do you really think that if Jesus was around today he would be proud of some of those who claim to be his buddies, but behave in a disgusting manner ?

Floo, how many times do you have to be reminded of Jesus' words in Matthew: 31-46?  Remember that there are sanctimonious atheists and well as sanctimonious religious and agnostic people.

By the way, I'm still awaiting a reply to a question I asked you on the 'UK 0, California 1' thread.  Incidentally, I seem to remember that I'm still awaiting one from Shakes on the same thread.

[Shaker]

Which question?

You are the last person on this forum to bitch, bleat and whine about waiting for a response to a question.

[floo]

Which question?

You are the last person on this forum to bitch, bleat and whine about waiting for a response to a question.

Exactly, when did Hope give a straight answer to a straight question?

[Alien]

Which question?

You are the last person on this forum to bitch, bleat and whine about waiting for a response to a question.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tu_quoque

[Alien]

Which question?

You are the last person on this forum to bitch, bleat and whine about waiting for a response to a question.

Exactly, when did Hope give a straight answer to a straight question?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tu_quoque

[Hope]

Which question?

IIRC, it was in my first post on the thread, #4 I believe.  I've bumped it for you.  The question is in the second half of the post.

[jakswan]

No atheist on this forum comes close to the likes of Johnny Canoe, Vlad, Bashful Anthony and TW for abusive posts.

OK, Floo regards herself as an agnostic, but then the likes of Shakes, ippy, Gordon (occasionally), jakswan, even yourself are no better than those you've mentioned above.  Some of the dismissive posts penned by these are not only dismissive but rude, deprecatory (even towards some potentially on their own side of the debate) and occasionally couched in discriminatory language.

Just to take one example - Shakes' comment on the assisted dying thread which suggests that those who oppose the ideas that have been put forward aren't 'functioning fully above the neckline' - bearing in mind that there are, of course, people who may ONLY function fully above the neckline, yet hold a different opinion on the issue to him. Those you have listed in your post rarely stoop to that level of abuse.

I fully accept to being rude and dismissive, you have to be sometimes when dealing with the likes of Hopalong. I would say I treat posters with the respect they deserve, there are theist posters I respect and I rarely am dismissive unless I'm paying in kind.

How exactly you can say words to the effect 'you will be tortured forever unless you agree with me and that is justice' and could be more insulting, pass. 

[Nearly Sane]

Cunting dick filled pus sucking whining morons, lice covered shite licking ponce mincing turd spreading smegma bearing fuck fiddling cockcheese juggling santorum nipple wankmonkeys!

I claim this thread insults for the atheists!

[ippy]

Cunting dick filled pus sucking whining morons, lice covered shite licking ponce mincing turd spreading smegma bearing fuck fiddling cockcheese juggling santorum nipple wankmonkeys!

I claim this thread insults for the atheists!

Something annoying you N S?

ippy

[Nearly Sane]

Cunting dick filled pus sucking whining morons, lice covered shite licking ponce mincing turd spreading smegma bearing fuck fiddling cockcheese juggling santorum nipple wankmonkeys!

I claim this thread insults for the atheists!

Something annoying you N S?

ippy

Was torn between 2 replies

'actually one of my better moods'


And

'Sorry, your highness, one of Shaker's, I believe'

[OH MY WORLD!]

jeremy,
You think I am abusive? Well how about you list some of those abusive posts of mine and we will have a look at them in context. And after that I recommend you go out looking for a spine donor.

Name calling is abusive behavior and that is something some of you godless atheist do around here. Some Christians do that as well and of course the resident witch does it more than anybody else around here.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/education/education-news/it-starts-with-calling-names-but-can-end-in-despair-and-suicide-6261615.html

[Nearly Sane]

http://www.swatch.com/en/collections/irony

[Shaker]

Name calling is abusive behavior and that is something some of you godless atheist do around here.

Know any atheists who aren't godless, canoe?