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Re: Children - religion the default position ?
« Reply #50 on: July 05, 2015, 05:31:52 PM »

Your googled answer does nothing to explain the complexities of faith, and what it means to individuals.
Why are you so afraid of learning and remembering stuff that on an almost weekly basis you sling around the (needless to say, entirely unevidenced and unprovable) accusation that people Google stuff instead of having learnt and remembered it? This is a rare, sad and sour nadir of anti-intellectualism. Some people possess intellectual curiosity. Others possess memories. Some possess rather good memories.

The quote from Hebrews 11 is a very familiar phrase long established in the English language and very familiar to almost anyone passionately dedicated to the English language and the Western literary canon, of which the King James Bible or Authorized Version forms so large a part.

I don't know whether you're disturbed by the fact that some people know their Bible as literature but simply don't believe a word of it as a reflection of reality/divinely revealed truth, or what. I can do the same with Juan Mascaro's translations of the Bhagavad Gita and the Dhammapada (the ones I grew up on, and still my favourites) at the drop of assorted headgear, if required, and despite an enduring attraction to some - only some - aspects of both this makes me neither a Hindu nor a Buddhist.

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Re: Children - religion the default position ?
« Reply #51 on: July 05, 2015, 06:11:55 PM »

Your googled answer does nothing to explain the complexities of faith, and what it means to individuals.
Why are you so afraid of learning and remembering stuff that on an almost weekly basis you sling around the (needless to say, entirely unevidenced and unprovable) accusation that people Google stuff instead of having learnt and remembered it? This is a rare, sad and sour nadir of anti-intellectualism. Some people possess intellectual curiosity. Others possess memories. Some possess rather good memories.

The quote from Hebrews 11 is a very familiar phrase long established in the English language and very familiar to almost anyone passionately dedicated to the English language and the Western literary canon, of which the King James Bible or Authorized Version forms so large a part.

I don't know whether you're disturbed by the fact that some people know their Bible as literature but simply don't believe a word of it as a reflection of reality/divinely revealed truth, or what.

Don't judge others by your own deficiencies.

As usual:  best form of defence is attack!  I'm beginning to think you don't have an original thought in your head.  All you do is quote.   That's deficiency.
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Re: Children - religion the default position ?
« Reply #52 on: July 05, 2015, 06:16:03 PM »
I am asking you why you so regularly accuse people of having Googled this or that, instead of accepting that at least some people read widely and retain what they have taken in.

Either you can answer this question or you cannot.
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Re: Children - religion the default position ?
« Reply #53 on: July 05, 2015, 06:20:54 PM »
I am asking you why you so regularly accuse people of having Googled this or that, instead of accepting that at least some people read widely and retain what they have taken in.

Either you can answer this question or you cannot.

I have just said what I think.  Maybe you should spend more time on your reading and comprehension, instead of googling for everything.
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Re: Children - religion the default position ?
« Reply #54 on: July 05, 2015, 06:27:18 PM »
That's repetition, not explanation.
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Re: Children - religion the default position ?
« Reply #55 on: July 05, 2015, 06:28:40 PM »
That's repetition, not explanation.

It's both.  I bet you googled for that response!     :)
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Re: Children - religion the default position ?
« Reply #56 on: July 05, 2015, 06:37:45 PM »
Sad  :(
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« Reply #57 on: July 05, 2015, 06:44:29 PM »
Sad  :(

That's probably your only original comment today, one word being the limit.    :D
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Re: Children - religion the default position ?
« Reply #58 on: July 05, 2015, 06:46:32 PM »
Dear Me,

Ah that warm glow that in life something's never change.

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« Reply #59 on: July 05, 2015, 06:48:16 PM »
Sad  :(

Some people are obviously jealous they aren't as widely read as you are, and still struggling to get to grips picture books with simple sentences! ;D ;D ;D

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Re: Children - religion the default position ?
« Reply #60 on: July 05, 2015, 06:51:29 PM »
Sad  :(

Some people are obviously jealous they aren't as widely read as you are, and still struggling to get to grips picture books with simple sentences! ;D ;D ;D

Floo rides to your defence (!),  and not an imo in sight!   :D
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Re: Children - religion the default position ?
« Reply #61 on: July 05, 2015, 07:00:29 PM »
Sad  :(

Some people are obviously jealous they aren't as widely read as you are, and still struggling to get to grips picture books with simple sentences! ;D ;D ;D

Floo rides to your defence (!),  and not an imo in sight!   :D
I am always happy to see the agreement of those I like and whose company I enjoy, but I don't think I need defending. In the words of one of my precious few genuine life-long models and heroes, now sadly no longer with us or indeed anyone, my own opinion is enough for me, and I will defend it any time or any place against anyone or any majority.*

* (Going on on to add: "... anyone who disagrees can take a number, get in line and kiss it").
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Re: Children - religion the default position ?
« Reply #62 on: July 05, 2015, 07:03:41 PM »
Sad  :(

Some people are obviously jealous they aren't as widely read as you are, and still struggling to get to grips picture books with simple sentences! ;D ;D ;D

Floo rides to your defence (!),  and not an imo in sight!   :D
I am always happy to see the agreement of those I like and whose company I enjoy, but I don't think I need defending. In the words of one of my precious few genuine life-long models and heroes, now sadly no longer with us or indeed anyone, my own opinion is enough for me, and I will defend it any time or any place against anyone or any majority.*

* (Going on on to add: "... anyone who disagrees can take a number, get in line and kiss it").


I bet it would be a long line.    :D
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Re: Children - religion the default position ?
« Reply #63 on: July 05, 2015, 07:23:46 PM »
I saw this.

Which disputes the idea that atheism is the default position for children from birth ...


I don't have a problem with the idea that young children can take naturally to ideas about God. When my children were small I read them bedtime stories about trains that could talk and pigs that could fly.  They love fantasy and magic.  The more interesting question is why some continue to indulge fantasy beliefs into adulthood.

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« Reply #64 on: July 05, 2015, 07:25:38 PM »
I saw this.

Which disputes the idea that atheism is the default position for children from birth ...


I don't have a problem with the idea that young children can take naturally to ideas about God. When my children were small I read them bedtime stories about trains that could talk and pigs that could fly.  They love fantasy and magic.  The more interesting question is why some continue to indulge fantasy beliefs into adulthood.

Because they don't think they are fantasies.
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Re: Children - religion the default position ?
« Reply #65 on: July 05, 2015, 07:27:15 PM »
Sad  :(

Some people are obviously jealous they aren't as widely read as you are, and still struggling to get to grips picture books with simple sentences! ;D ;D ;D

Floo rides to your defence (!),  and not an imo in sight!   :D
I am always happy to see the agreement of those I like and whose company I enjoy, but I don't think I need defending. In the words of one of my precious few genuine life-long models and heroes, now sadly no longer with us or indeed anyone, my own opinion is enough for me, and I will defend it any time or any place against anyone or any majority.*

* (Going on on to add: "... anyone who disagrees can take a number, get in line and kiss it").


I bet it would be a long line.    :D
Not naturally gifted with patience, it can be as long as ever it wishes to be. I am in the saddle, always :)
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Re: Children - religion the default position ?
« Reply #66 on: July 05, 2015, 07:29:54 PM »
Sad  :(

Some people are obviously jealous they aren't as widely read as you are, and still struggling to get to grips picture books with simple sentences! ;D ;D ;D

Floo rides to your defence (!),  and not an imo in sight!   :D
I am always happy to see the agreement of those I like and whose company I enjoy, but I don't think I need defending. In the words of one of my precious few genuine life-long models and heroes, now sadly no longer with us or indeed anyone, my own opinion is enough for me, and I will defend it any time or any place against anyone or any majority.*

* (Going on on to add: "... anyone who disagrees can take a number, get in line and kiss it").


I bet it would be a long line.    :D
Not naturally gifted with patience, it can be as long as ever it wishes to be. I am in the saddle, always :)

You'll need to get out of the saddle if you want them to kiss it!     :)
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Re: Children - religion the default position ?
« Reply #67 on: July 05, 2015, 07:30:44 PM »
I saw this.

Which disputes the idea that atheism is the default position for children from birth ...


I don't have a problem with the idea that young children can take naturally to ideas about God. When my children were small I read them bedtime stories about trains that could talk and pigs that could fly.  They love fantasy and magic.  The more interesting question is why some continue to indulge fantasy beliefs into adulthood.

Because they don't think they are fantasies.
... and that, in answer to your repetitive question, is the perennial fascination of it ;)
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Re: Children - religion the default position ?
« Reply #68 on: July 05, 2015, 07:42:16 PM »
I saw this.

Which disputes the idea that atheism is the default position for children from birth ...


I don't have a problem with the idea that young children can take naturally to ideas about God. When my children were small I read them bedtime stories about trains that could talk and pigs that could fly.  They love fantasy and magic.  The more interesting question is why some continue to indulge fantasy beliefs into adulthood.

Because they don't think they are fantasies.
... and that, in answer to your repetitive question, is the perennial fascination of it ;)

Fascination for whom, and about what?  Not sure what you mean:  I'll have to google it.    :D
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Re: Children - religion the default position ?
« Reply #69 on: July 05, 2015, 08:02:03 PM »
Fascination for whom

For me and people like me.

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and about what?
To paraphrase Michael Shermer, why people believe incredible things.
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Re: Children - religion the default position ?
« Reply #70 on: July 05, 2015, 08:05:14 PM »
Dear Torridon,

Post 63, thank you, seems that even the slightest hint that atheist thinking is wrong should be jumped on from a very high height.

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« Reply #71 on: July 05, 2015, 09:53:06 PM »
The more interesting question is why some continue to indulge fantasy beliefs into adulthood.
It seems to me that an increasing number of people are continuing to indulge in fantasy beliefs into adulthood.
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« Reply #72 on: July 05, 2015, 09:56:35 PM »
... and that, in answer to your repetitive question, is the perennial fascination of it ;)
Couldn't agree more, Shaker.
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Re: Children - religion the default position ?
« Reply #73 on: July 05, 2015, 10:02:06 PM »
The more interesting question is why some continue to indulge fantasy beliefs into adulthood.
It seems to me that an increasing number of people are continuing to indulge in fantasy beliefs into adulthood.
Such as?
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Re: Children - religion the default position ?
« Reply #74 on: July 05, 2015, 10:55:24 PM »
The more interesting question is why some continue to indulge fantasy beliefs into adulthood.
It seems to me that an increasing number of people are continuing to indulge in fantasy beliefs into adulthood.

And what research do you base that on?  Just an opinion?  Thought so.  So, useless.
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