Extended Sunday opening hours

[Ricky Spanish]

And actually I have never left the shop simply because it is stressful to wait - we have left because the wait would mean we were late for some other commitment, e.g. a children's party.

And being on time for a party is far more important than having shoes that fit your kids, right?

[Nearly Sane]

It is interesting that Prof D, now so het up about shoes has taken to stating incorrectly that I have agreed that I have no idea what I am talking about here. Obviously the strain of worrying about the shoeless baby Prof has affected him so much that he feels the need to misrepresent me completely.

You don't have an idea what you are talking about, because to do so you would need to have experience of the juggling involved in standard family life, which clearly you don't as you don't have kids.

I know you think that  (and we will get onto in a minute) but you stated that I had agreed that I didn't know what I was talking about -that is a clear misrepresentation.

I don't claim to know about bringing up kids but simply stating that I cannot understand the pressure you are under and therefore do not know anything is as I have already pointed out a courtiers reply. Strangely I once was a kid and then there was no Sunday opening. Strangely I know many people with kids including my sisters, and strangely I can help with their kids and talk to them about the pressures. And yes, you are absolutely right it is hard but much of the difficulty is self inflicted because you chose to make your life as busy with activities. I have a friend who is a single parent, with three kids, one of whom is autistic. The kids all do as many activities as he can afford/arrange. He would find your whinging laughable.


 Your inability to organise your life without time to buy your kids shoes is your problem and one that as I have pointed out is not guaranteed to be solved by the legislation. Just to underline that specialised shops do not tend to open longer on a Sunday in Scotland than in England.

[ProfessorDavey]

Mind you their reaction to that may be more stressful to you than Sunday shopping!

Possibly so.

In fact we have routinely ended up buying new shoes in a little shop in Cardigan, where we have a short holiday every summer. It has become a bit of a standing joke in fact, that we seems to have given as much custom to this shop as any other shoe shop. The point being that we simply have more flexible time in the holidays and we can pop in mid morning on a weekday on the way to the beach (or dodging the rain).

[Ricky Spanish]

It is interesting that Prof D, now so het up about shoes has taken to stating incorrectly that I have agreed that I have no idea what I am talking about here. Obviously the strain of worrying about the shoeless baby Prof has affected him so much that he feels the need to misrepresent me completely.

You don't have an idea what you are talking about, because to do so you would need to have experience of the juggling involved in standard family life, which clearly you don't as you don't have kids.

It is plainly obvious that the specialist shoe shops will not stay open any longer than they have to. They will only sell a limited number of shoes, so best to fit that in to as few opening hours as possible. They could be forced to stay open longer in competition - but increase in costs will be made up by shoe price inflation. The extended Sunday hours will only allow you better opportunity to buy crap (but cheaper) shoes from supermarkets.

You're right, opening longer will not create a bigger market for childrens shoes.

They're hardly an impulse buy.

[BeRational]

It is interesting that Prof D, now so het up about shoes has taken to stating incorrectly that I have agreed that I have no idea what I am talking about here. Obviously the strain of worrying about the shoeless baby Prof has affected him so much that he feels the need to misrepresent me completely.

You don't have an idea what you are talking about, because to do so you would need to have experience of the juggling involved in standard family life, which clearly you don't as you don't have kids.

It is plainly obvious that the specialist shoe shops will not stay open any longer than they have to. They will only sell a limited number of shoes, so best to fit that in to as few opening hours as possible. They could be forced to stay open longer in competition - but increase in costs will be made up by shoe price inflation. The extended Sunday hours will only allow you better opportunity to buy crap (but cheaper) shoes from supermarkets.

For goodness sake.

THIS IS NOT ABOUT SHOE SHOPS!

It is not about how to best use the hours the shops currently stay open on Sunday!

It is about why those shops that wish to, why they should not be allowed to.

We could manage with electricity Monday to Thursday if we had to, but we PREFER it 24/7.

[Nearly Sane]

That's right, no one who doesn't have kids could possibly understand the difficulties of managing a busy schedule!

Yup that's about right.

I think the complexities of juggling not just you but also the kids commitments really is in a different league.

But actually the point remains. If for any other reasons your available time for necessary shopping was extremely restricted and Sunday about the most likely free time I think you'd also be pretty frustrated if the shops are only open for 6 hours during the middle of the day.

Different league to bring a carer for a parent or spouse and working?

[Udayana]

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Increased energy use, noise and other pollution. There is some evidence (from the arrangements around the Olympics a few years ago) that the economy would be boosted at least temporarily, but this itself implies greater energy use and pollution.

My 2 local supermarkets are 24 hours Monday to Saturday, Sunday would make no difference.

Not much difference maybe, but every little ...

[Nearly Sane]

It is interesting that Prof D, now so het up about shoes has taken to stating incorrectly that I have agreed that I have no idea what I am talking about here. Obviously the strain of worrying about the shoeless baby Prof has affected him so much that he feels the need to misrepresent me completely.

You don't have an idea what you are talking about, because to do so you would need to have experience of the juggling involved in standard family life, which clearly you don't as you don't have kids.

It is plainly obvious that the specialist shoe shops will not stay open any longer than they have to. They will only sell a limited number of shoes, so best to fit that in to as few opening hours as possible. They could be forced to stay open longer in competition - but increase in costs will be made up by shoe price inflation. The extended Sunday hours will only allow you better opportunity to buy crap (but cheaper) shoes from supermarkets.

For goodness sake.

THIS IS NOT ABOUT SHOE SHOPS!

It is not about how to best use the hours the shops currently stay open on Sunday!

It is about why those shops that wish to, why they should not be allowed to.

We could manage with electricity Monday to Thursday if we had to, but we PREFER it 24/7.

You were the one who brought up shoes.

[Ricky Spanish]

Anyway, we've come up with the solution. Childrens shoe shops can sell childrens shoes until 6pm on Sundays to help PD with his planning issues.

There, everybodys happy now.

[Nearly Sane]

Anyway, we've come up with the solution. Childrens shoe shops can sell childrens shoes until 6pm on Sundays to help PD with his planning issues.

There, everybodys happy now.

Don't we have to force them in case they choose to shut at 4 just to taunt the Prof while he rushes to the party?

[BeRational]

It is interesting that Prof D, now so het up about shoes has taken to stating incorrectly that I have agreed that I have no idea what I am talking about here. Obviously the strain of worrying about the shoeless baby Prof has affected him so much that he feels the need to misrepresent me completely.

You don't have an idea what you are talking about, because to do so you would need to have experience of the juggling involved in standard family life, which clearly you don't as you don't have kids.

It is plainly obvious that the specialist shoe shops will not stay open any longer than they have to. They will only sell a limited number of shoes, so best to fit that in to as few opening hours as possible. They could be forced to stay open longer in competition - but increase in costs will be made up by shoe price inflation. The extended Sunday hours will only allow you better opportunity to buy crap (but cheaper) shoes from supermarkets.

For goodness sake.

THIS IS NOT ABOUT SHOE SHOPS!

It is not about how to best use the hours the shops currently stay open on Sunday!

It is about why those shops that wish to, why they should not be allowed to.

We could manage with electricity Monday to Thursday if we had to, but we PREFER it 24/7.

You were the one who brought up shoes.

Incorrect.

[Ricky Spanish]

perhaps they could be forced to operate mobile shoe vans that can come to his house and save him the inconvenience of having to go to the shop in the first place?

[Shaker]

You were the one who brought up shoes.

No it wasn't.

[BeRational]

Anyway, we've come up with the solution. Childrens shoe shops can sell childrens shoes until 6pm on Sundays to help PD with his planning issues.

There, everybodys happy now.

Don't we have to force them in case they choose to shut at 4 just to taunt the Prof while he rushes to the party?

Perghaps you and Thrud should only have electricity Monday to Thursday?

You could easily work around it.

[ProfessorDavey]

I don't claim to know about bringing up kids but simply stating that I cannot understand the pressure you are under and therefore do not know anything is as I have already pointed out a courtiers reply. Strangely I once was a kid and then there was no Sunday opening. Strangely I know many people with kids including my sisters, and strangely I can help with their kids and talk to them about the pressures.

Second hand experience is no substitute for first hand experience

And yes, you are absolutely right it is hard but much of the difficulty is self inflicted because you chose to make your life as busy with activities.

I make no apologies for wanting to give my kids opportunities to enjoy a whole range of activities. Why should I.

I have a friend who is a single parent, with three kids, one of whom is autistic. The kids all do as many activities as he can afford/arrange. He would find your whinging laughable.

I imagine you friend will understand exactly the points I am making. Sure it will be much harder again for him and I must admit I am in awe of anyone who can manage the manic juggling that comes with family life as a single parent (let alone with an autistic child) - it is challenging enough with 2 adults available.

Your inability to organise your life without time to buy your kids shoes is your problem and one that as I have pointed out is not guaranteed to be solved by the legislation. Just to underline that specialised shops do not tend to open longer on a Sunday in Scotland than in England.

As I pointed out way up thread I am perfectly able to organise my life - indeed it needs to be like a military operation at times. My frustration is feeling I have to prioritise shopping necessities due to unnecessary opening hours restrictions on Sundays.

And you are wrong on your comparison between England and Scotland. As I mentioned earlier my Dad used to live in Scotland as we've actually bought shoes in their branch of the same shop that we buy shoes in locally and in Cardigan (actually that's more of an independent but mainly stocks the same brand). Their Scottish branches are typically open until 6pm on Sundays, indeed some until 7pm. And open earlier in the morning.

[Udayana]

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We could manage with electricity Monday to Thursday if we had to, but we PREFER it 24/7.

We do, but we have the option as we don't care about destroying the environment so long as even our most superficial desires are satisfied. Most people don't even have the option of electricity 24/7 or water for that matter.

[BeRational]

...
We could manage with electricity Monday to Thursday if we had to, but we PREFER it 24/7.

We do, but we have the option as we don't care about destroying the environment so long as even our most superficial desires are satisfied. Most people don't even have the option of electricity 24/7 or water for that matter.

I know.

What is your point?

[Nearly Sane]

You were the one who brought up shoes.

No it wasn't.

I may be wrong but the first shoes I noticed appeared in 171 from the Prof - were there earlier shoes?

[BeRational]

You were the one who brought up shoes.

No it wasn't.

I may be wrong but the first shoes I noticed appeared in 171 from the Prof - were there earlier shoes?

You claimed that I brought up the topic of shoes.

I did not, not that is matters much AS THIS IS NOT ABOUT SHOES!

[ProfessorDavey]

It is interesting that Prof D, now so het up about shoes has taken to stating incorrectly that I have agreed that I have no idea what I am talking about here. Obviously the strain of worrying about the shoeless baby Prof has affected him so much that he feels the need to misrepresent me completely.

You don't have an idea what you are talking about, because to do so you would need to have experience of the juggling involved in standard family life, which clearly you don't as you don't have kids.

It is plainly obvious that the specialist shoe shops will not stay open any longer than they have to. They will only sell a limited number of shoes, so best to fit that in to as few opening hours as possible. They could be forced to stay open longer in competition - but increase in costs will be made up by shoe price inflation. The extended Sunday hours will only allow you better opportunity to buy crap (but cheaper) shoes from supermarkets.

For goodness sake.

THIS IS NOT ABOUT SHOE SHOPS!

It is not about how to best use the hours the shops currently stay open on Sunday!

It is about why those shops that wish to, why they should not be allowed to.

We could manage with electricity Monday to Thursday if we had to, but we PREFER it 24/7.

You were the one who brought up shoes.

No that was me.

And I'm beginning to regret it given the levels of attack I seemed to have received on this.

So lets broaden it out again. The Sunday restrictions are unnecessary and whatever the reason there will be people who want to (or need to) shop outside those restricted hours but within the more standard Monday to Saturday hours.

On the basis that:

1. The shop wants to open longer
2. There are staff happy to work during those longer opening hours and
3. There are customers who would prefer to shop (as it is more convenient for them) during those extended hours.

Why on earth would be prevent them from doing so.

[Nearly Sane]

You were the one who brought up shoes.

No it wasn't.

I may be wrong but the first shoes I noticed appeared in 171 from the Prof - were there earlier shoes?

You claimed that I brought up the topic of shoes.

I did not, not that is matters much AS THIS IS NOT ABOUT SHOES!

Ah yes, my mistake, I had misread your post about it not being about the shoes as being from Prof D who did bring up the shoes. The point though is that if you want to solve the problem of the shoes it is not clear that the legislation will do this. I know you have your opinion that we are not supposed to discuss the shoes but take it up with the mods, cannot see it as a derail, why do you think it is?

[BeRational]

You were the one who brought up shoes.

No it wasn't.

I may be wrong but the first shoes I noticed appeared in 171 from the Prof - were there earlier shoes?

You claimed that I brought up the topic of shoes.

I did not, not that is matters much AS THIS IS NOT ABOUT SHOES!

Ah yes, my mistake, I had misread your post about it not being about the shoes as being from Prof D who did bring up the shoes. The point though is that if you want to solve the problem of the shoes it is not clear that the legislation will do this. I know you have your opinion that we are not supposed to discuss the shoes but take it up with the mods, cannot see it as a derail, why do you think it is?

Please see the latest question and stop talking about shoes.

[Nearly Sane]

Is there a reason as to why we should stop talking about shoes when the 'latest' question is an actual derail of the OP?

[BeRational]

Is there a reason as to why we should stop talking about shoes when the 'latest' question is an actual derail of the OP?

Please quote where the OP makes reference to shoes.

[Nearly Sane]

Is there a reason as to why we should stop talking about shoes when the 'latest' question is an actual derail of the OP?

Please quote where the OP makes reference to shoes.

Didn't say it did. You do like imputing positions to people that they are not taking, don't you.