Extended Sunday opening hours

[BeRational]

Why would you want to impose your view of what is nice on me?

The same could be asked of you in regard to wishing to impose your view on what is nice, on others.

In what way do I propose to do that?

[ProfessorDavey]

Dearie Me,

Shaker was bored on a Sunday, good news he can now spend his time walking the aisles of Tesco.

What a thread, Sunday opening is a bad idea, you all know it, plus it is a Tory dodge, big stores putting the little guy out of business but you still insist Sunday opening is a good thing.

Tories are all for the working man, bullshit!

Tory ethos, work 24/7 spend 24/7.

Gonnagle.

Blimey, missing the point by a mile.

I hate shopping - it is a necessary evil. I don't want to shop 24/7 - it is the last thing I want to do. But I recognise it needs to be done and I want to be able to shop at my convenience, to fit around my life not the other way round.

And boredom - blimey what was that. I don't want to shop to fend off the boredom. I've got a life stuffed full of ... well stuff. I want to be able to shop to fit around all that stuff (work, family, voluntary stuff, leisure stuff), all of which are more important to me than shopping.

[Hope]

In what way do I propose to do that?

By requiring that shops are open at any time that you want to do shopping.

[BeRational]

In what way do I propose to do that?

By requiring that shops are open at any time that you want to do shopping.

I don't REQUIRE them to.

I want then to have the FREEDOM to is they so choose.

[ProfessorDavey]

In what way do I propose to do that?

By requiring that shops are open at any time that you want to do shopping.

Well of course on-line shops already are, but not everything is easily bought that way.

But certainly by ensuring shops are able to open for a sensible amount of time on one of the days (Sunday) when the majority of people have some level of flexibility to go shopping.

Frankly if there was a law that only allowed shops to open on 6 of the 7 days of the week it would be much more sensible for that closed day to be a Tuesday (for example) rather than one of the weekend days.

[Hope]

But certainly by ensuring shops are able to open for a sensible amount of time on one of the days (Sunday) when the majority of people have some level of flexibility to go shopping.

Frankly if there was a law that only allowed shops to open on 6 of the 7 days of the week it would be much more sensible for that closed day to be a Tuesday (for example) rather than one of the weekend days.

PD, BR has made it clear that he wants shops to be open at any time of the day he chooses/wants to go shopping.  In other words, his wishes should be taken in account over those who might be required to staff those shops in order for him to be able to exercise his wishes.

[BeRational]

But certainly by ensuring shops are able to open for a sensible amount of time on one of the days (Sunday) when the majority of people have some level of flexibility to go shopping.

Frankly if there was a law that only allowed shops to open on 6 of the 7 days of the week it would be much more sensible for that closed day to be a Tuesday (for example) rather than one of the weekend days.

PD, BR has made it clear that he wants shops to be open at any time of the day he chooses/wants to go shopping.  In other words, his wishes should be taken in account over those who might be required to staff those shops in order for him to be able to exercise his wishes.

NO NO NO that is not correct.

I want them to have the option to open if they want to and indeed can with the staff.

I do not want to force them to open, like you want to force them to close.

I am all about freedom.

[Shaker]

PD, BR has made it clear that he wants shops to be open at any time of the day he chooses/wants to go shopping.  In other words, his wishes should be taken in account over those who might be required to staff those shops in order for him to be able to exercise his wishes.

Nobody should be compelled to work on a Sunday should they not wish to, nor will you find anyone here arguing as much. That's an issue however for good employment law, not for prohibiting Sunday trading in toto, against which there are no good arguments.

I happen not to find it unlikely that out of 57,000,000 people you'll be able to find all the ones you need more than happy to work on a Sunday - some people are, you know.

[Gonnagle]

Dearie Me,

Will Sunday opening affect the small trader, yes of course, who relies on the small trader, non drivers, the aged, the ill.

Bad idea.

Gonnagle.

[Shaker]

And boredom - blimey what was that.

Sundays in the 1970s, 80s and early 90s.

[Nearly Sane]

And boredom - blimey what was that.

Sundays in the 1970s, 80s and early 90s.

Annie Nightingale on the radio playing this is Sunday for me

http://m.youtube.com/?gl=GB&hl=en-GB#/watch?v=gXNhL4J_S00

[Hope]

NO NO NO that is not correct.

I want them to have the option to open if they want to and indeed can with the staff.

I do not want to force them to open, like you want to force them to close.

I am all about freedom.

3 x 'I want'.     No consideration for the owners/staff who would be required to be present in order for your 'want' to occur.

[Shaker]

3 x 'I want'.     No consideration for the owners/staff who would be required to be present in order for your 'want' to occur.

Why would they have to be required if we had employment laws which forbid this?

[Gonnagle]

Dear Mildred,

Freedom, what the hell is that!! I will now pass this thread over to our Sane, I am sure it has something to do with free will and Einstein telling us it is a illusion we all cling to, or something like that.

Actually it is probably me, one day without consumerism, never happen, money is the new religion.

Gonnagle.

[Hope]

Why would they have to be required if we had employment laws which forbid this?

Are you really suggesting that shops which open on a Sunday will be staffed by robots, Shaker?  If not, there will necessarily have to be staff in attendance to restock shelves, take money, etc.  I'd have thought that that was common sense.

[Shaker]

Are you really suggesting that shops which open on a Sunday will be staffed by robots, Shaker?

No. Why are you being such a twat about this? I was about to suggest that it was some sort of pretence, except that having had experience of you I'm not so sure.

If not, there will necessarily have to be staff in attendance to restock shelves, take money, etc.  I'd have thought that that was common sense.

Yes, staff - real, live, inhaling, exhaling, eating, converting-ATP-into-glycogen, excreting staff who are quite happy to work Sundays.

I've covered my essential points already - i.e. that the important issues here are about consent to Sunday working which are easily covered by employment law in recent posts which you've either not read yet or, vastly more likely, read but ignored so that you can make some fatuous, arseholish points in order (as the former Matthew Hopkins, now CMG-something pointed out recently) to give you an illusory appearance of intelligence.

That's the trouble with people who play dumb - you can never actually tell if they're playing.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Are you really suggesting that shops which open on a Sunday will be staffed by robots, Shaker?

No. Why are you being such a twat about this? I was about to suggest that it was some sort of pretence, except that having had experience of you I'm not so sure.

If not, there will necessarily have to be staff in attendance to restock shelves, take money, etc.  I'd have thought that that was common sense.

Yes, staff - real, live, inhaling, exhaling, eating, converting-ATP-into-glycogen, excreting staff who are quite happy to work Sundays.

I've covered my essential points already - i.e. that the important issues here are about consent to Sunday working which are easily covered by employment law in recent posts which you've either not read yet or, vastly more likely, read but ignored so that you can make some fatuous, arseholish points in order (as the former Matthew Hopkins, now CMG-something pointed out recently) to give you an illusory appearance of intelligence.

So Shaker....Is the increase in stress related illnesses due to increased working hours or a decline in church attendance?

[Shaker]

Search me - you need an epidemiologist on the case.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Search me - you need an epidemiologist on the case.

That's funny...You usually have an opinion on everything.

[Shaker]

Search me - you need an epidemiologist on the case.

That's funny...You usually have an opinion on everything.

Yes I do, and typically that opinion rests upon "I need to see the evidence here."

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Search me - you need an epidemiologist on the case.

That's funny...You usually have an opinion on everything.

Yes I do, and typically that opinion rests upon "I need to see the evidence here."

I wonder about that since IMO many of your arguments reduce down to philosophical materialism for which their is none of the kind of evidence you are talking about here.

[Shaker]

Search me - you need an epidemiologist on the case.

That's funny...You usually have an opinion on everything.

Yes I do, and typically that opinion rests upon "I need to see the evidence here."

I wonder about that since IMO many of your arguments reduce down to philosophical materialism for which their is none of the kind of evidence you are talking about here.

Ker-ching! Another 500 in the kitty 

[BeRational]

Dearie Me,

Will Sunday opening affect the small trader, yes of course, who relies on the small trader, non drivers, the aged, the ill.

Bad idea.

Gonnagle.

But you know its a good idea really.

[BeRational]

NO NO NO that is not correct.

I want them to have the option to open if they want to and indeed can with the staff.

I do not want to force them to open, like you want to force them to close.

I am all about freedom.

3 x 'I want'.     No consideration for the owners/staff who would be required to be present in order for your 'want' to occur.

NO, I do not require them to work.

I want them to have the option to choose for themselves.

Why are you against freedom and choice?

[Shaker]

NO, I do not require them to work.

I want them to have the option to choose for themselves.

Why are you against freedom and choice?

Some people are. They're just like that. We see it time and time and time again - in abortion, in assisted suicide, in same-sex marriage; in Sunday trading. Free choice - letting people do whatever they want to do as long as they don't frighten the horses - is the enemy.

Of course it should go without saying that the enemies of free choice are typically people in thrall to absolutist, dogmatic, my-way-or-the-highway religious belief systems. Look for opposition to abortion, assisted suicide, same-sex marriage and Sunday trading and more often than not - by a very long way - you'll find religionists and especially monotheists. It's their thing; only one god means only one way - their way. That's why comparatively recent (i.e. incrementally over the last few centuries or so) human history in this specific context has been a history of religionists having pluralism thrust upon them with extreme reluctance, with pushback and opposition and whiny crybaby won't-somebody-think-of-the-children bleating consistently throughout.