Extended Sunday opening hours

[BeRational]

Sane

So if you ever say someone is evading as you are now, the correct rebuttal is get a sense of humour.

Ok

Stop stamping your tiny feet, you will ruin your shoes and then will struggle to buy new ones.

Its not me that needs new shoes, nor a sense of humour.

Are you quite well?

In your name how near are you to being sane?

[Nearly Sane]

Sane

So if you ever say someone is evading as you are now, the correct rebuttal is get a sense of humour.

Ok

Stop stamping your tiny feet, you will ruin your shoes and then will struggle to buy new ones.

Its not me that needs new shoes, nor a sense of humour.

Are you quite well?

In your name how near are you to being sane?

If you are sane then as far from it as I can get.

[BeRational]

I am and your are a long way from it.

Perhaps you need help?

[ProfessorDavey]

So these highly specialized shoe retailers have the ability to open later but do not do so. Sounds to me even with a change in the law baby Prof will still struggle to get new shoes.

Small children tend to go to bed rather early, so I don't think there will be much taking for specialist children's shoe fitting at 9pm, Sane.

The Sunday scrum really is palpable. On several occasions we've walked in, seen the wait and given up because we simply don't have the time. And there is almost always other parents doing the same.

The answer is clear - allow the shop to open for a full day on a Sunday - trust me, they will do so as there is plenty of custom to support the additional opening hours and staff costs.

Why is the most obvious solution somehow the last thing you seem to want to contemplate - how strange.

[ProfessorDavey]

So these highly specialized shoe retailers have the ability to open later but do not do so. Sounds to me even with a change in the law baby Prof will still struggle to get new shoes.

You seem to have completely ignored my question to you which was:

Just out of interest, when was the last time you went into a shoe shop on a Sunday to get your child's feet measured and to buy some new shoes?

Perhaps you'd like to tell us please, just to be sure that you have a clue, so to speak.

[BeRational]

So these highly specialized shoe retailers have the ability to open later but do not do so. Sounds to me even with a change in the law baby Prof will still struggle to get new shoes.

You seem to have completely ignored my question to you which was:

Just out of interest, when was the last time you went into a shoe shop on a Sunday to get your child's feet measured and to buy some new shoes?

Perhaps you'd like to tell us please, just to be sure that you have a clue, so to speak.

I think you will find we do not have the correct sense of humour.

[Nearly Sane]

So these highly specialized shoe retailers have the ability to open later but do not do so. Sounds to me even with a change in the law baby Prof will still struggle to get new shoes.

Small children tend to go to bed rather early, so I don't think there will be much taking for specialist children's shoe fitting at 9pm, Sane.

The Sunday scrum really is palpable. On several occasions we've walked in, seen the wait and given up because we simply don't have the time. And there is almost always other parents doing the same.

The answer is clear - allow the shop to open for a full day on a Sunday - trust me, they will do so as there is plenty of custom to support the additional opening hours and staff costs.

Why is the most obvious solution somehow the last thing you seem to want to contemplate - how strange.

I appreciate quite how enormously busy you are but might I suggest that you read posts properly as at no stage have I taken a position on Sunday. If the fabulous shoe retailers you require won't do business late, then that applies to Sunday as well.  And why the leap to 9 rather than say 7.

It is not at all clear that your (and the millions of other parents with shoeless children) problem will be solved by the change in law

[ProfessorDavey]

So these highly specialized shoe retailers have the ability to open later but do not do so. Sounds to me even with a change in the law baby Prof will still struggle to get new shoes.

Small children tend to go to bed rather early, so I don't think there will be much taking for specialist children's shoe fitting at 9pm, Sane.

The Sunday scrum really is palpable. On several occasions we've walked in, seen the wait and given up because we simply don't have the time. And there is almost always other parents doing the same.

The answer is clear - allow the shop to open for a full day on a Sunday - trust me, they will do so as there is plenty of custom to support the additional opening hours and staff costs.

Why is the most obvious solution somehow the last thing you seem to want to contemplate - how strange.

I appreciate quite how enormously busy you are but might I suggest that you read posts properly as at no stage have I taken a position on Sunday. If the fabulous shoe retailers you require won't do business late, then that applies to Sunday as well.  And why the leap to 9 rather than say 7.

It is not at all clear that your (and the millions of other parents with shoeless children) problem will be solved by the change in law

Would you like to answer my question please:

Just out of interest, when was the last time you went into a shoe shop on a Sunday to get your child's feet measured and to buy some new shoes?

[Nearly Sane]

So these highly specialized shoe retailers have the ability to open later but do not do so. Sounds to me even with a change in the law baby Prof will still struggle to get new shoes.

You seem to have completely ignored my question to you which was:

Just out of interest, when was the last time you went into a shoe shop on a Sunday to get your child's feet measured and to buy some new shoes?

Perhaps you'd like to tell us please, just to be sure that you have a clue, so to speak.

Just Didn't see it.

Never taken my kids as I don't have any. I have taken nephews and neices. That said I would suggest the question is irrelevant since it is courtiers reply.

[Ricky Spanish]

So these highly specialized shoe retailers have the ability to open later but do not do so. Sounds to me even with a change in the law baby Prof will still struggle to get new shoes.

Small children tend to go to bed rather early, so I don't think there will be much taking for specialist children's shoe fitting at 9pm, Sane.

The Sunday scrum really is palpable. On several occasions we've walked in, seen the wait and given up because we simply don't have the time. And there is almost always other parents doing the same.

So you prioritised other activities ahead of ensuring that your child had shoes that fitted them. Is that responsible parenting?

And how did you eventually manage to acquire a new pair of shoes for them? Presumably you didn't go to the shoe shop and walk out again in disgust on the following Sunday.

[BeRational]

So these highly specialized shoe retailers have the ability to open later but do not do so. Sounds to me even with a change in the law baby Prof will still struggle to get new shoes.

Small children tend to go to bed rather early, so I don't think there will be much taking for specialist children's shoe fitting at 9pm, Sane.

The Sunday scrum really is palpable. On several occasions we've walked in, seen the wait and given up because we simply don't have the time. And there is almost always other parents doing the same.

So you prioritised other activities ahead of ensuring that your child had shoes that fitted them. Is that responsible parenting?

And how did you eventually manage to acquire a new pair of shoes for them? Presumably you didn't go to the shoe shop and walk out again in disgust on the following Sunday.

Why do you evade the question?

[Ricky Spanish]

So these highly specialized shoe retailers have the ability to open later but do not do so. Sounds to me even with a change in the law baby Prof will still struggle to get new shoes.

Small children tend to go to bed rather early, so I don't think there will be much taking for specialist children's shoe fitting at 9pm, Sane.

The Sunday scrum really is palpable. On several occasions we've walked in, seen the wait and given up because we simply don't have the time. And there is almost always other parents doing the same.

The answer is clear - allow the shop to open for a full day on a Sunday - trust me, they will do so as there is plenty of custom to support the additional opening hours and staff costs.

Why is the most obvious solution somehow the last thing you seem to want to contemplate - how strange.

I appreciate quite how enormously busy you are but might I suggest that you read posts properly as at no stage have I taken a position on Sunday. If the fabulous shoe retailers you require won't do business late, then that applies to Sunday as well.  And why the leap to 9 rather than say 7.

Or even six pm, since that is after you finish work and your daughter has finished after school club?

[Ricky Spanish]

In exactly the same way as we do - through having to plan our lives around the (often rather stressful) trip to the shoe shop.

Lack of immediate gratification = stressful.

[ProfessorDavey]

So these highly specialized shoe retailers have the ability to open later but do not do so. Sounds to me even with a change in the law baby Prof will still struggle to get new shoes.

You seem to have completely ignored my question to you which was:

Just out of interest, when was the last time you went into a shoe shop on a Sunday to get your child's feet measured and to buy some new shoes?

Perhaps you'd like to tell us please, just to be sure that you have a clue, so to speak.

Just Didn't see it.

Never taken my kids as I don't have any. I have taken nephews and neices. That said I would suggest the question is irrelevant since it is courtiers reply.

No it is completely relevant.

So without having any experience you feel it is reasonable to claim that my frustrations are somehow ridiculous.

Try it and you'll begin to understand the challenges.

And the 'shoe' buying one is perhaps the most acute - partly because the aren't really something that is easy to buy on-line and also because the child actually needs to be there, unlike all sorts of other purchases. Add to that the point that there are rather few retailers that actually cater for kids properly plus the Sunday restrictions and it is a bit of a perfect storm.

Sure we and all other parents find a way around it - but it is a big stress and hugely frustrating. And it needn't as difficult if the shops were able to open a sensible length of time on a Sunday.

[Ricky Spanish]

Why do you evade the question?

What question?

[Nearly Sane]

I am and your are a long way from it.

Perhaps you need help?

What, pray tell, are your qualifications in the field  of mental health?

[Nearly Sane]

So these highly specialized shoe retailers have the ability to open later but do not do so. Sounds to me even with a change in the law baby Prof will still struggle to get new shoes.

You seem to have completely ignored my question to you which was:

Just out of interest, when was the last time you went into a shoe shop on a Sunday to get your child's feet measured and to buy some new shoes?

Perhaps you'd like to tell us please, just to be sure that you have a clue, so to speak.

Just Didn't see it.

Never taken my kids as I don't have any. I have taken nephews and neices. That said I would suggest the question is irrelevant since it is courtiers reply.

No it is completely relevant.

So without having any experience you feel it is reasonable to claim that my frustrations are somehow ridiculous.

Try it and you'll begin to understand the challenges.

And the 'shoe' buying one is perhaps the most acute - partly because the aren't really something that is easy to buy on-line and also because the child actually needs to be there, unlike all sorts of other purchases. Add to that the point that there are rather few retailers that actually cater for kids properly plus the Sunday restrictions and it is a bit of a perfect storm.

Sure we and all other parents find a way around it - but it is a big stress and hugely frustrating. And it needn't as difficult if the shops were able to open a sensible length of time on a Sunday.

It is irrelevant to the question of whether specialist shoe retailers will open longer hours if the law changes given what u was talking about.

[BeRational]

Why do you evade the question?

What question?

What is the problem with shops that want to opening as long as they want to on Sunday.

How could you have missed this question?

[BeRational]

I am and your are a long way from it.

Perhaps you need help?

What, pray tell, are your qualifications in the field  of mental health?

I am an expert, and you are a nutter.

[ProfessorDavey]

So these highly specialized shoe retailers have the ability to open later but do not do so. Sounds to me even with a change in the law baby Prof will still struggle to get new shoes.

Small children tend to go to bed rather early, so I don't think there will be much taking for specialist children's shoe fitting at 9pm, Sane.

The Sunday scrum really is palpable. On several occasions we've walked in, seen the wait and given up because we simply don't have the time. And there is almost always other parents doing the same.

The answer is clear - allow the shop to open for a full day on a Sunday - trust me, they will do so as there is plenty of custom to support the additional opening hours and staff costs.

Why is the most obvious solution somehow the last thing you seem to want to contemplate - how strange.

I appreciate quite how enormously busy you are but might I suggest that you read posts properly as at no stage have I taken a position on Sunday. If the fabulous shoe retailers you require won't do business late, then that applies to Sunday as well.  And why the leap to 9 rather than say 7.

Or even six pm, since that is after you finish work and your daughter has finished after school club?

Err - I don't usually get back from work until 7pm, so I'm no use at all even if the shops stayed open until 7.

But you then have to add in other early evening commitments:

Monday - daughter to gymnastics class, wife to gym class
Tuesday - daughter to cubs, son number 1 to scouts, son number 2 to theatre group
Wednesday - sons 1 and 2 to theatre group (through most of year, and we often take two other kids for ease of logistics for them)
Thursday - son 1 and daughter to swimming, son 1 to scouts, dad to choir

And remember the kids need to eat at some point in the proceedings.

And that's before you add in the not unreasonable desire for kids to go to round to their friends after school and for tea once in a  while, plus the reciprocal. And concerts, performances etc associated with their clubs.

And we (perhaps fortunately) don't have kids who are big into sports, where parents are often driving all over the county every Saturday and sometimes Sundays too taking kids to matches or training.

And sure, we manage, we sort things and the kids get shoes. It's just harder than it needs to be, and removing the unnecessary restrictions on Sunday hours makes things just a bit easier.

[Ricky Spanish]

Why do you evade the question?

What question?

What is the problem with shops that want to opening as long as they want to on Sunday.

How could you have missed this question?

I was commenting on the ridiculous suggestion that having to wait in turn to buy a pair of shoes for children is "stressful".

If you think that I'm off topic then I suggest you go and cry to a mod about how stressful I'm making this thread.

[BeRational]

Why do you evade the question?

What question?

What is the problem with shops that want to opening as long as they want to on Sunday.

How could you have missed this question?

I was commenting on the ridiculous suggestion that having to wait in turn to buy a pair of shoes for children is "stressful".

If you think that I'm off topic then I suggest you go and cry to a mod about how stressful I'm making this thread.

I just notice that you will do anything apart from answer a simple question.

Can you answer the question?

[Nearly Sane]

I am and your are a long way from it.

Perhaps you need help?

What, pray tell, are your qualifications in the field  of mental health?

I am an expert, and you are a nutter.

Ah an 'expert'. Which university or institute of further education did you attend to get this 'expertise'. Your use of such  a technical term as nutter marks you out as obviously  very well schooled.

[Ricky Spanish]

So these highly specialized shoe retailers have the ability to open later but do not do so. Sounds to me even with a change in the law baby Prof will still struggle to get new shoes.

Small children tend to go to bed rather early, so I don't think there will be much taking for specialist children's shoe fitting at 9pm, Sane.

The Sunday scrum really is palpable. On several occasions we've walked in, seen the wait and given up because we simply don't have the time. And there is almost always other parents doing the same.

The answer is clear - allow the shop to open for a full day on a Sunday - trust me, they will do so as there is plenty of custom to support the additional opening hours and staff costs.

Why is the most obvious solution somehow the last thing you seem to want to contemplate - how strange.

I appreciate quite how enormously busy you are but might I suggest that you read posts properly as at no stage have I taken a position on Sunday. If the fabulous shoe retailers you require won't do business late, then that applies to Sunday as well.  And why the leap to 9 rather than say 7.

Or even six pm, since that is after you finish work and your daughter has finished after school club?

Err - I don't usually get back from work until 7pm, so I'm no use at all even if the shops stayed open until 7.

So who looks after your daughter from the end of after school club at 5:30 until you get home at 7?

Why can't they take them to buy shoes?

[BeRational]

So these highly specialized shoe retailers have the ability to open later but do not do so. Sounds to me even with a change in the law baby Prof will still struggle to get new shoes.

Small children tend to go to bed rather early, so I don't think there will be much taking for specialist children's shoe fitting at 9pm, Sane.

The Sunday scrum really is palpable. On several occasions we've walked in, seen the wait and given up because we simply don't have the time. And there is almost always other parents doing the same.

The answer is clear - allow the shop to open for a full day on a Sunday - trust me, they will do so as there is plenty of custom to support the additional opening hours and staff costs.

Why is the most obvious solution somehow the last thing you seem to want to contemplate - how strange.

I appreciate quite how enormously busy you are but might I suggest that you read posts properly as at no stage have I taken a position on Sunday. If the fabulous shoe retailers you require won't do business late, then that applies to Sunday as well.  And why the leap to 9 rather than say 7.

Or even six pm, since that is after you finish work and your daughter has finished after school club?

Err - I don't usually get back from work until 7pm, so I'm no use at all even if the shops stayed open until 7.

So who looks after your daughter from the end of after school club at 5:30 until you get home at 7?

Why can't they take them to buy shoes?

Why can you not answer the question?