Extended Sunday opening hours

[Ricky Spanish]

Ah an 'expert'. Which university or institute of further education did you attend to get this 'expertise'. Your use of such  a technical term as nutter marks you out as obviously  very well schooled.

He has a certificate from the online college of nutterology.

In crayon.

[BeRational]

Ah an 'expert'. Which university or institute of further education did you attend to get this 'expertise'. Your use of such  a technical term as nutter marks you out as obviously  very well schooled.

He has a certificate from the online college of nutterology.

In crayon.

Can you answer the question?

[ProfessorDavey]

So these highly specialized shoe retailers have the ability to open later but do not do so. Sounds to me even with a change in the law baby Prof will still struggle to get new shoes.

You seem to have completely ignored my question to you which was:

Just out of interest, when was the last time you went into a shoe shop on a Sunday to get your child's feet measured and to buy some new shoes?

Perhaps you'd like to tell us please, just to be sure that you have a clue, so to speak.

Just Didn't see it.

Never taken my kids as I don't have any. I have taken nephews and neices. That said I would suggest the question is irrelevant since it is courtiers reply.

No it is completely relevant.

So without having any experience you feel it is reasonable to claim that my frustrations are somehow ridiculous.

Try it and you'll begin to understand the challenges.

And the 'shoe' buying one is perhaps the most acute - partly because the aren't really something that is easy to buy on-line and also because the child actually needs to be there, unlike all sorts of other purchases. Add to that the point that there are rather few retailers that actually cater for kids properly plus the Sunday restrictions and it is a bit of a perfect storm.

Sure we and all other parents find a way around it - but it is a big stress and hugely frustrating. And it needn't as difficult if the shops were able to open a sensible length of time on a Sunday.

It is irrelevant to the question of whether specialist shoe retailers will open longer hours if the law changes given what u was talking about.

But the issue is that currently they can't not that they choose not to. And that this forces more restricted hours than could be the case and that creates frustrations to parents trying to juggle necessary shopping with the rest of their family's busy lives.

And as you have freely admitted you really have no idea what you are talking about in this regard so quite how you can put yourself over as such an expert on the typical juggling exercises of modern family life is rather beyond me.

[Nearly Sane]

Why do you evade the question?

What question?

What is the problem with shops that want to opening as long as they want to on Sunday.

How could you have missed this question?

I was commenting on the ridiculous suggestion that having to wait in turn to buy a pair of shoes for children is "stressful".

If you think that I'm off topic then I suggest you go and cry to a mod about how stressful I'm making this thread.

I just notice that you will do anything apart from answer a simple question.

Can you answer the question?

You do realise that the question is irrelevant since the lovely Thrud has not taken the position you are attributing to him?

[BeRational]

Why do you evade the question?

What question?

What is the problem with shops that want to opening as long as they want to on Sunday.

How could you have missed this question?

I was commenting on the ridiculous suggestion that having to wait in turn to buy a pair of shoes for children is "stressful".

If you think that I'm off topic then I suggest you go and cry to a mod about how stressful I'm making this thread.

I just notice that you will do anything apart from answer a simple question.

Can you answer the question?

You do realise that the question is irrelevant since the lovely Thrud has not taken the position you are attributing to him?

Yes it is relevant.

Its the whole point of the thread.

What is the problem with shops that want to opening as they wish on Sunday?

Do you have an answer?

[Ricky Spanish]

Go waah-waah to the mods.

[ProfessorDavey]

So these highly specialized shoe retailers have the ability to open later but do not do so. Sounds to me even with a change in the law baby Prof will still struggle to get new shoes.

Small children tend to go to bed rather early, so I don't think there will be much taking for specialist children's shoe fitting at 9pm, Sane.

The Sunday scrum really is palpable. On several occasions we've walked in, seen the wait and given up because we simply don't have the time. And there is almost always other parents doing the same.

The answer is clear - allow the shop to open for a full day on a Sunday - trust me, they will do so as there is plenty of custom to support the additional opening hours and staff costs.

Why is the most obvious solution somehow the last thing you seem to want to contemplate - how strange.

I appreciate quite how enormously busy you are but might I suggest that you read posts properly as at no stage have I taken a position on Sunday. If the fabulous shoe retailers you require won't do business late, then that applies to Sunday as well.  And why the leap to 9 rather than say 7.

Or even six pm, since that is after you finish work and your daughter has finished after school club?

Err - I don't usually get back from work until 7pm, so I'm no use at all even if the shops stayed open until 7.

So who looks after your daughter from the end of after school club at 5:30 until you get home at 7?

Why can't they take them to buy shoes?

My wife does.

So on Monday she needs to get her home (by about 5:45pm) so she can have her tea before being back out again to gym class by 6:30.

And on Tuesday similar before she's off to cubs

And on Wednesday the boys are off to their theatre rehearsal, with all needed to be fed and watered before hand.

Thursday she takes two of the kids straight to swimming lessons, returning with two very hungry kids at about 6:45.

etc

[Nearly Sane]

It is interesting that Prof D, now so het up about shoes has taken to stating incorrectly that I have agreed that I have no idea what I am talking about here. Obviously the strain of worrying about the shoeless baby Prof has affected him so much that he feels the need to misrepresent me completely.

[BeRational]

It is interesting that Prof D, now so het up about shoes has taken to stating incorrectly that I have agreed that I have no idea what I am talking about here. Obviously the strain of worrying about the shoeless baby Prof has affected him so much that he feels the need to misrepresent me completely.

Can you answer the question.

No wonder you do not have kids!

[Ricky Spanish]

So who looks after your daughter from the end of after school club at 5:30 until you get home at 7?

Why can't they take them to buy shoes?

My wife does.

So on Monday she needs to get her home (by about 5:45pm) so she can have her tea before being back out again to gym class by 6:30.

So who looks after them between when she leaves for gym class (6:15??) and when you get home at 7?

Thursday she takes two of the kids straight to swimming lessons, returning with two very hungry kids at about 6:45.

Cereal bars could bridge that gap.


And what about Fridays? Oh, I forgot! All shoe shops close at 5:30 on Fridays, don't they?

[Nearly Sane]

It is interesting that Prof D, now so het up about shoes has taken to stating incorrectly that I have agreed that I have no idea what I am talking about here. Obviously the strain of worrying about the shoeless baby Prof has affected him so much that he feels the need to misrepresent me completely.

Can you answer the question.

No wonder you do not have kids!

The question is irrelevant to the point I was making. Which I made clear in my first post on the subject. Why are you asking people to justify a position they have not taken?

[BeRational]

So who looks after your daughter from the end of after school club at 5:30 until you get home at 7?

Why can't they take them to buy shoes?

My wife does.

So on Monday she needs to get her home (by about 5:45pm) so she can have her tea before being back out again to gym class by 6:30.

So who looks after them between when she leaves for gym class (6:15??) and when you get home at 7?

Thursday she takes two of the kids straight to swimming lessons, returning with two very hungry kids at about 6:45.

Cereal bars could bridge that gap.


And what about Fridays? Oh, I forgot! All shoe shops close at 5:30 on Fridays, don't they?

So you cannot answer the question.

Perhaps you forgot already what the question is?

[ProfessorDavey]

It is interesting that Prof D, now so het up about shoes has taken to stating incorrectly that I have agreed that I have no idea what I am talking about here. Obviously the strain of worrying about the shoeless baby Prof has affected him so much that he feels the need to misrepresent me completely.

You don't have an idea what you are talking about, because to do so you would need to have experience of the juggling involved in standard family life, which clearly you don't as you don't have kids.

[BeRational]

It is interesting that Prof D, now so het up about shoes has taken to stating incorrectly that I have agreed that I have no idea what I am talking about here. Obviously the strain of worrying about the shoeless baby Prof has affected him so much that he feels the need to misrepresent me completely.

Can you answer the question.

No wonder you do not have kids!

The question is irrelevant to the point I was making. Which I made clear in my first post on the subject. Why are you asking people to justify a position they have not taken?

I see you cannot answer the question, but prefer to obfuscate.

Ok.

[Udayana]

Why do you evade the question?

What question?

What is the problem with shops that want to opening as long as they want to on Sunday.

How could you have missed this question?

Increased energy use, noise and other pollution. There is some evidence (from the arrangements around the Olympics a few years ago) that the economy would be boosted at least temporarily, but this itself implies greater energy use and pollution.

[Ricky Spanish]

That's right, no one who doesn't have kids could possibly understand the difficulties of managing a busy schedule!

[BeRational]

Why do you evade the question?

What question?

What is the problem with shops that want to opening as long as they want to on Sunday.

How could you have missed this question?

Increased energy use, noise and other pollution. There is some evidence (from the arrangements around the Olympics a few years ago) that the economy would be boosted at least temporarily, but this itself implies greater energy use and pollution.

My 2 local supermarkets are 24 hours Monday to Saturday, Sunday would make no difference.

[ProfessorDavey]

So who looks after your daughter from the end of after school club at 5:30 until you get home at 7?

Why can't they take them to buy shoes?

My wife does.

So on Monday she needs to get her home (by about 5:45pm) so she can have her tea before being back out again to gym class by 6:30.

So who looks after them between when she leaves for gym class (6:15??) and when you get home at 7?

Thursday she takes two of the kids straight to swimming lessons, returning with two very hungry kids at about 6:45.

Cereal bars could bridge that gap.


And what about Fridays? Oh, I forgot! All shoe shops close at 5:30 on Fridays, don't they?

Yup that's right - the ones round here that cater for kids do.

But your ability to try to find the specific hour in a week when the shop is open, the child is available as is one of their parents to take them rather proves my point. That the current situation means that you have to arrange the rest of your life around the opening hours of the shops, rather than fitting the needs to dip shopping around the rest of our lives.

[Ricky Spanish]

Of course, you could just say to your kids "we can't do that this week because getting you a new pair of shoes takes precedence and I find having to queue up on a Sunday too stressful to countenance".

[ProfessorDavey]

That's right, no one who doesn't have kids could possibly understand the difficulties of managing a busy schedule!

Yup that's about right.

I think the complexities of juggling not just you but also the kids commitments really is in a different league.

But actually the point remains. If for any other reasons your available time for necessary shopping was extremely restricted and Sunday about the most likely free time I think you'd also be pretty frustrated if the shops are only open for 6 hours during the middle of the day.

[Ricky Spanish]

Mind you their reaction to that may be more stressful to you than Sunday shopping!

[Ricky Spanish]

That's right, no one who doesn't have kids could possibly understand the difficulties of managing a busy schedule!

Yup that's about right.

I think the complexities of juggling not just you but also the kids commitments really is in a different league.

[ProfessorDavey]

Of course, you could just say to your kids "we can't do that this week because getting you a new pair of shoes takes precedence and I find having to queue up on a Sunday too stressful to countenance".

Hmm - so in what way does that mean that shopping hours are driving family life rather than shopping fitting around family life.

Or of course you could just open the shop a little longer on a Sunday and perhaps you wouldn't have to make that choice.

And actually I have never left the shop simply because it is stressful to wait - we have left because the wait would mean we were late for some other commitment, e.g. a children's party.

[Ricky Spanish]

Perhaps it's only kids shoe shops that need extended Sunday opening?

[Udayana]

It is interesting that Prof D, now so het up about shoes has taken to stating incorrectly that I have agreed that I have no idea what I am talking about here. Obviously the strain of worrying about the shoeless baby Prof has affected him so much that he feels the need to misrepresent me completely.

You don't have an idea what you are talking about, because to do so you would need to have experience of the juggling involved in standard family life, which clearly you don't as you don't have kids.

It is plainly obvious that the specialist shoe shops will not stay open any longer than they have to. They will only sell a limited number of shoes, so best to fit that in to as few opening hours as possible. They could be forced to stay open longer in competition - but increase in costs will be made up by shoe price inflation. The extended Sunday hours will only allow you better opportunity to buy crap (but cheaper) shoes from supermarkets.