Extended Sunday opening hours

[Shaker]

Yes but why not a sunday?

Why not a Tuesday?

Surely having anyday other than sunday would MERELY BE PANDERING TO THOSE WHO WANT TO STICK ONE ON THE THEISTS......and so Shaker...your motives are exposed.

You seem to have some sort of problem with your keyboard.

Please give reasons why it should be any day other than sunday.

Because there's no case for it being a Sunday - it could be any day.

But of course, what you're forgetting is that while it may still be 1952 where you are, and Sunday afternoons are always sunny and populated by pipe-smoking men in rolled-up shirt sleeves clipping the front hedge with garden shears just after washing the Morris Minor, the rest of society has moved on rather a lot and the idea of a day off for everybody at the same time is no longer practical or practicable.

Actually it never was, if you think for a moment about electricity etc. and where it comes from; hospitals and emergency services likewise. The point is that it's even more absurdly anachronistic now. People's working and domestic lives have changed beyond all recognition - many people here have pointed this out; probably the best and clearest posts so far on this theme are the many by Professor Davey - so your concept of a Sunday of "national renewal" (whatever the hell that is) is decades out of date, belonging to the age of three channels of crap on the telly usually consisting of Harry Secombe standing on a hillside looking earnest and warbling away about his old rugged hill far away - turn over to BBC 1 then - oh shit, it's Thora Hird sitting next to some flowers - oh well, at least Love Thy Neighbour is on later.

Unless you're rather old and/or fearful of change 2015 people live 2015 lives, and that includes vastly more flexibility and choice (not just in shopping) than you want people to have. Well, tough.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

No if you had read the posts. I am pro small sunday business.

No argument from anybody else here about that, I'm sure.

What I'm against is the 24/7 domination of huge concerns and pro a little weekly change of pace.

What you seem to be saying is that you want everybody else to adopt your pace one day a week because you think they ought to, not because they want to.

I'm not against individuals going at the pace they want....they would, after all be on their holiday.
Why are you so pro big concerns dictating everybody's pace 24/7
Why are you hung up on the false notion that I want to dictate everybodies pace and big concerns somehow don't want to straight jacket peoples freedom to be themselves rather than 24/7 consumers?

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Yes but why not a sunday?

Why not a Tuesday?

Yes but why a Tuesday?
Sunday, because it follows Saturday and that constitutes a weekend. A slight tweek and sunday can be made more like a day of national renewal and infrastructure rest and maintenance.

Sunday because other societies have their day on sunday.

Why Tuesday then?...there can be but one reason.....It's not sunday. Sorry to piss on your bonfire.

[Shaker]

I'm not against individuals going at the pace they want....they would, after all be on their holiday.
Why are you so pro big concerns dictating everybody's pace 24/7

"Big concerns" don't. Contrary to the beliefs of some, the larger stores don't have tractor beams as on the Death Star which suck in anybody who gets within a thirty-foot radius.

People shop if they want to and don't if they don't want to. It's never been anything else; the only difference is that the change of law in 1994 and the proposed devolution to local authorities as proposed by Osborne in this week's budget offers people more time in which to shop if they want to. That's a good thing.

Why are you hung up on the false notion that I want to dictate everybodies pace

It's not a false notion. Indeed, you've explicitly stated as much, in your statement that not only should the law not be changed but that the clock should be rolled back. At which point would you like the clock to be stopped to suit you?

and big concerns somehow don't want to straight jacket peoples freedom to be themselves rather than 24/7 consumers?

This sets up a false equivalence which states that people aren't "free to be themselves" when they're shopping. This is utter wibble. Some people positively like shopping for its own sake whereas some others, like Prof. D., treat it as a boring but necessary and inescapable chore. Either way, nobody does it with a gun to their head. These days you can, if you want to, do it very very easily from your favourite couch, on your laptop and a mug of tea next to you, and have it all brought to your front doorstep.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Yes but why not a sunday?

Why not a Tuesday?

Surely having anyday other than sunday would MERELY BE PANDERING TO THOSE WHO WANT TO STICK ONE ON THE THEISTS......and so Shaker...your motives are exposed.

You seem to have some sort of problem with your keyboard.

Please give reasons why it should be any day other than sunday.

Because there's no case for it being a Sunday - it could be any day.

But of course, what you're forgetting is that while it may still be 1952 where you are, and Sunday afternoons are always sunny and populated by pipe-smoking men in rolled-up shirt sleeves clipping the front hedge with garden shears just after washing the Morris Minor, the rest of society has moved on rather a lot and the idea of a day off for everybody at the same time is no longer practical or practicable.

Actually it never was, if you think for a moment about electricity etc. and where it comes from; hospitals and emergency services likewise. The point is that it's even more absurdly anachronistic now. People's working and domestic lives have changed beyond all recognition - many people here have pointed this out; probably the best and clearest posts so far on this theme are the many by Professor Davey - so your concept of a Sunday of "national renewal" (whatever the hell that is) is decades out of date, belonging to the age of three channels of crap on the telly usually consisting of Harry Secombe standing on a hillside looking earnest and warbling away about his old rugged hill far away - turn over to BBC 1 then - oh shit, it's Thora Hird sitting next to some flowers - oh well, at least Love Thy Neighbour is on later.

Unless you're rather old and/or fearful of change 2015 people live 2015 lives, and that includes vastly more flexibility and choice (not just in shopping) than you want people to have. Well, tough.

I don't want Harry Secombe on a hillside and Thora Hird next to flowers..............I want H from steps and Davina McCall and Stars on Sunday with Noel Gallaher.

[Shaker]

Yes but why a Tuesday?

Why not a Tuesday?

Sunday, because it follows Saturday and that constitutes a weekend. A slight tweek and sunday can be made more like a day of national renewal

What is this, exactly?

and infrastructure rest and maintenance.

You must know very little about infrastructure if you think it has a "rest."

Sunday because other societies have their day on sunday.

So what? Since when do we have to copy others?

Why Tuesday then?...there can be but one reason.....It's not sunday. Sorry to piss on your bonfire.

My bonfire remains resolutely lit.

[Shaker]

No if you had read the posts. I am pro small sunday business.

No argument from anybody else here about that, I'm sure.

What I'm against is the 24/7 domination of huge concerns and pro a little weekly change of pace.

What you seem to be saying is that you want everybody else to adopt your pace one day a week because you think they ought to, not because they want to.

The hyperbolic nonsense that anybody who is currently posting here wants everything become to become like an orthodox jewish Sabbath is yours (although that culture has seen off a few twenty four seven civilisations in it's time)

Such as?

Well Judaism was still going after the disappearance of the non Christian roman civilisation or some of the effective city states of the eastern Mediterranean.

where are those cultures now?

They were 24/7 civilisations were they? 

[Nearly Sane]

The Roman Empire fell because Starbucks was open 24/7 with people having homosexual sex in the bathrooms

[Shaker]

The bleeders weren't paying their fair whack of taxes back then, either.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Yes but why a Tuesday?

Why not a Tuesday?

Sunday, because it follows Saturday and that constitutes a weekend. A slight tweek and sunday can be made more like a day of national renewal

What is this, exactly?

and infrastructure rest and maintenance.

You must know very little about infrastructure if you think it has a "rest."

If something is rested it lasts longer and thus requires less maintenance.
That includes maintenance of the human being.
Let's face it society is bound to suffer since the population must be more mobile and big supermarkets do not encourage association of people or the building of small humanely sized and ultimately real communities.

[Nearly Sane]

What in the name of the wee man is an 'ultimately real community'?

[Shaker]

If something is rested it lasts longer and thus requires less maintenance.
That includes maintenance of the human being.

Yet again, nobody's saying that the entire working-age population must be made to work seven days a week. You're erecting a straw man here the size of which makes the one in the final scenes of The Wicker Man look like a garden gnome. The point is that a supposedly mass (which never actually was) day off on the same day is anachronistic and impractical. It's not what most people want; it doesn't meet their needs.

Let's face it society is bound to suffer since the population must be more mobile and big supermarkets do not encourage association of people or the building of small humanely sized and ultimately real communities.

No idea what this wibble is supposed to be about but I can't seen any connection to Sunday trading, so I'll take it as off-topic.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

What in the name of the wee man is an 'ultimately real community'?

Almost the very opposite of an out of town supermarket checkout queue....To keep things in context.

[Shaker]

Anyone? Anyone?

[Nearly Sane]

There are times when I read Vlad's post and is as if half  of them have been cut out. This is one of those.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

There are times when I read Vlad's post and is as if half  of them have been cut out. This is one of those.

Are you saying I'm the Norman Collier of theological debate?

[Nearly Sane]

What in the name of the wee man is an 'ultimately real community'?

Almost the very opposite of an out of town supermarket checkout queue....To keep things in context.

Nope, not helped, try again and this time think 'how do I best represent my idea clearly'

[Nearly Sane]

There are times when I read Vlad's post and is as if half  of them have been cut out. This is one of those.

Are you saying I'm the Norman Collier of theological debate?

L l

[Shaker]

There are times when I read Vlad's post and is as if half  of them have been cut out. This is one of those.

Are you saying I'm the Norman Collier of theological debate?

No - dear old Norman was brilliant at what he did.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

There are times when I read Vlad's post and is as if half  of them have been cut out. This is one of those.

Are you saying I'm the Norman Collier of theological debate?

No - dear old Norman was brilliant at what he did.

Apparently N rman co ldn't go on st ge o e day be ause he f lt a l ttle funny.
His m nager t ld h m to get on st ge bef re it wore off.

[Sebastian Toe]

There are times when I read Vlad's post and is as if half  of them have been cut out. This is one of those.

Are you saying I'm the Norman Collier of theological debate?

No - dear old Norman was brilliant at what he did.

Apparently N rman co ldn't go on st ge o e day be ause he f lt a l ttle funny.
His m nager t ld h m to get on st ge bef re it wore off.

Vlad was app...ntly due to att..pt a humorous p.st but was reluct..t to because he felt a l.t.le fun...

.His friend said ''you b.tter g.t on with it b...re it wears .ff''.

So he did.
Unfor....tely by the time he p..ted it was o.vious that he had hesit..ed just a bit t. long!

[Walt Zingmatilder]

There are times when I read Vlad's post and is as if half  of them have been cut out. This is one of those.

Are you saying I'm the Norman Collier of theological debate?

No - dear old Norman was brilliant at what he did.

Apparently N rman co ldn't go on st ge o e day be ause he f lt a l ttle funny.
His m nager t ld h m to get on st ge bef re it wore off.

Vlad was app...ntly due to att..pt a humorous p.st but was reluct..t to because he felt a l.t.le fun...

.His friend said ''you b.tter g.t on with it b...re it wears .ff''.

So he did.
Unfor....tely by the time he p..ted it was o.vious that he had hesit..ed just a bit t. long!

Now Sebastian....This post was quite witty. You would get a better response by leaving out more letters..............like.....all of them.

[Dicky Underpants]

In my bit of Norfolk, they seem to co-exist happily.  People do their 'big shop' at the superstore, but there are still shops in some villages.  For example, my local Co-op does a roaring trade, and is not a supermarket really. 

I can see why people are upset at small shops closing in rural areas, as it is part of a trend, for example, pubs closing, post offices, and police stations.  So some areas start to resemble scorched earth, in the sense that there are absolutely no facilities left, and you have to have a car to reach them.   I don't know if Sunday opening will have any impact on this really.

I didnt know you lived in Norlfok as well, wiggles - one of my favourite parts of the realm. Lucky you.

By contrast, I couldn't wait to get away from the great flatlands where I spent the first eighteen years of my life (I used to live only a few miles from where wiggi now lives, if I'm not mistaken). I have happy memories of early childhood there, though. More green fields then, more trees (no elms left, of course)
When I left my village, the post-office had been subsumed into part of a Spar store, and I think it remains so. There appeared yet another Spar store near a housing estate on the road to the marsh, whilst two small private shops have disappeared. Two good old pubs have gone.
King's Lynn, three miles away, is thriving with new developments. Such things did not exactly please dear old John Betjman, but most of his beloved historic buildings there are still standing, as far as I know.

BTW, didn't Nietzsche comment that the English made their Sundays so boring, that the lower classes couldn't wait to get back to work? For the bosses, in league with the Church no doubt, that was probably a very satisfactory state of affairs. "Tedium and its doxologies".

[Gonnagle]

Dear Vlad,

Once again yer right, when yer right yer right, if it was not for the Almost Sensibles of this world I would equate atheism with rampant consumerism.

Gonnagle.

[Rhiannon]

In my bit of Norfolk, they seem to co-exist happily.  People do their 'big shop' at the superstore, but there are still shops in some villages.  For example, my local Co-op does a roaring trade, and is not a supermarket really. 

I can see why people are upset at small shops closing in rural areas, as it is part of a trend, for example, pubs closing, post offices, and police stations.  So some areas start to resemble scorched earth, in the sense that there are absolutely no facilities left, and you have to have a car to reach them.   I don't know if Sunday opening will have any impact on this really.

I didnt know you lived in Norlfok as well, wiggles - one of my favourite parts of the realm. Lucky you.

By contrast, I couldn't wait to get away from the great flatlands where I spent the first eighteen years of my life (I used to live only a few miles from where wiggi now lives, if I'm not mistaken). I have happy memories of early childhood there, though. More green fields then, more trees (no elms left, of course)
When I left my village, the post-office had been subsumed into part of a Spar store, and I think it remains so. There appeared yet another Spar store near a housing estate on the road to the marsh, whilst two small private shops have disappeared. Two good old pubs have gone.
King's Lynn, three miles away, is thriving with new developments. Such things did not exactly please dear old John Betjman, but most of his beloved historic buildings there are still standing, as far as I know.

BTW, didn't Nietzsche comment that the English made their Sundays so boring, that the lower classes couldn't wait to get back to work? For the bosses, in league with the Church no doubt, that was probably a very satisfactory state of affairs. "Tedium and its doxologies".

King's Lynn is most definitely best driven through very quickly, with one's eyes closed if possible.

But in Norfolk for every spot that feels like hell on earth there's one that's God's own kingdom. Same as my home county.