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Re: Extended Sunday opening hours
« Reply #400 on: July 11, 2015, 07:42:27 PM »
Dear Bashers,
 Step away from the thread, their arguments are like dust, they have built their house on sand, tumbleweed blows through the thread, they are left weeping and gnashing their teeth, the sweat shops of India are rejoicing that their are still some who worship at the temple of consumerism.

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Spot-on, as usual Gonners.  But, unfortunately, there is a gap as big as an elephant's bottom between them and what is good for all.
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Re: Extended Sunday opening hours
« Reply #401 on: July 11, 2015, 08:00:59 PM »
Of course, the greedy, grasping supermarkets are to be encouraged to fleece us out of even more money with their grossly inflated prices.
Do they compel people, on threat of penalties of one sort or another, to enter their doors, then?
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Re: Extended Sunday opening hours
« Reply #402 on: July 11, 2015, 08:05:44 PM »
Dear Bashers,
 Step away from the thread, their arguments are like dust, they have built their house on sand, tumbleweed blows through the thread, they are left weeping and gnashing their teeth, the sweat shops of India are rejoicing that their are still some who worship at the temple of consumerism.

Gonnagle.

The only thing I bought today that comes from India was Fairtrade tea. You seem to be confused as to what I meant by 'buying stuff to cook and eat'.

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Re: Extended Sunday opening hours
« Reply #403 on: July 11, 2015, 08:09:13 PM »

Spot-on, as usual Gonners. 
How and why is Gonners "spot on"? You forgot to say.
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Re: Extended Sunday opening hours
« Reply #404 on: July 11, 2015, 08:09:28 PM »
Dear Shaker,

Yes, 50% off, five hundred shops and get free petrol, hey kids bring your folks along and get a free plastic toy, buy ten get a free hernia, Disney says this cereal is great for you.

Shaker, I love you, give it up :-*

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Re: Extended Sunday opening hours
« Reply #405 on: July 11, 2015, 08:10:42 PM »

Spot-on, as usual Gonners. 
How and why is Gonners "spot on"? You forgot to say.

It means, he is correct!
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Re: Extended Sunday opening hours
« Reply #406 on: July 11, 2015, 08:11:35 PM »
Of course, the greedy, grasping supermarkets are to be encouraged to fleece us out of even more money with their grossly inflated prices.
Do they compel people, on threat of penalties of one sort or another, to enter their doors, then?

No, but present people with an easy option, and they will take it.
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Re: Extended Sunday opening hours
« Reply #407 on: July 11, 2015, 08:12:12 PM »
Dear Rhiannon,

Shut up.

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Re: Extended Sunday opening hours
« Reply #408 on: July 11, 2015, 08:12:47 PM »

Spot-on, as usual Gonners. 
How and why is Gonners "spot on"? You forgot to say.

It means, he is correct!
No, no, you didn't say why he is correct; you have merely asserted that in your opinion he is.
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Re: Extended Sunday opening hours
« Reply #409 on: July 11, 2015, 08:13:45 PM »
Of course, the greedy, grasping supermarkets are to be encouraged to fleece us out of even more money with their grossly inflated prices.
Do they compel people, on threat of penalties of one sort or another, to enter their doors, then?

No, but present people with an easy option, and they will take it.
So competent consenting adults can't act as free agents of their own volition, then? That seems to be what you're saying.
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Re: Extended Sunday opening hours
« Reply #410 on: July 11, 2015, 08:14:58 PM »

Spot-on, as usual Gonners. 
How and why is Gonners "spot on"? You forgot to say.

It means, he is correct!
No, no, you didn't say why he is correct; you have merely asserted that in your opinion he is.

It is self-evidennt to all, except the deliberately argumentative.
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Re: Extended Sunday opening hours
« Reply #411 on: July 11, 2015, 08:17:07 PM »
It is self-evidennt to all
I assume you mean self-evident. It isn't self evident or I wouldn't be asking you to clarify, which it looks as though you cannot do.

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except the deliberately argumentative.
Amongst whose ranks I am to be counted until my dying breath, thank goodness. So?
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Re: Extended Sunday opening hours
« Reply #412 on: July 11, 2015, 08:18:52 PM »
It is self-evidennt to all
I assume you mean self-evident. It isn't self evident or I wouldn't be asking you to clarify, which it looks as though you cannot do.

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except the deliberately argumentative.
Amongst whose ranks I am to be counted until my dying breath, thank goodness. So?

It is self-evident to all but those who will not accept it, because they cannot ever accept to being in the wrong.
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Re: Extended Sunday opening hours
« Reply #413 on: July 11, 2015, 08:19:56 PM »
Is there something inherently good, fine, noble, praiseworthy and deserving of protection and preservation about small shops (which for current legal purposes is anything under the entirely arbitrary 280 sq. m/3000 sq. ft.)? I see a lot of standing up for the small shop by the anti-choice brigade on here with no justification offered as to why except that they're small, apparently.

The Government is constantly extolling both the virtues and the necessity of encouraging the growth of small businesses.  But, of course the selfish, politically inept, characters on here care only for their own convenience, and the little shops and shopkeepers can go to the wall.   Of course, the greedy, grasping supermarkets are to be encouraged to fleece us out of even more money with their grossly inflated prices.

I suspect that the 'small shops going to the wall if this happens' is a slippery slope argument.

Where I have lived for the last 30 years (Bearsden & Milngavie) we have had two large supermarkets (Tesco & Asda) that are both open till 10pm 7 days a week, with the Asda at Clydebank (10 minutes drive away) is 24 hours/7 days a week, and just a couple of months ago a Waitrose (which we don't have that many in Scotland) has opened just a few hundred yards from Tesco.

None of the local convenience shops have closed, and there are at least 6 or 7 of these in the area that have all been on the go for years now, along with Farmfoods, Lidl, Iceland and a small Marks & Spencer food supermarket that is just 100 yards from Tesco - and all seem to be busy. I can't remember there ever being issues here about small shops, and from my point of view they and supermarkets meet different needs and can co-exist: the smaller shops provide convenience shopping for selected items whereas the supermarkets are catering more for higher volume/multiple item-type shopping.

So, from my experience, the 'protect small-shops' argument isn't remotely convincing, and even it is was I'm wondering why should that constrain alternatives that would probably find public support based on the numbers I see in my local Tesco on Sunday evenings. This isn't hypothetical, since it is routine reality here and nobody is forced to use large supermarkets after 4pm on  Sunday - but they do, and presumably in large enough numbers to make it viable, and where smaller retail outlets continue to trade.

As far as I can see the ST naysayers in E & W are doing no more than using a fallacious argument from tradition to seek to constrain others from doing routine shopping after 4pm on Sundays - they remind me of this quote from Bertrand Russell;

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Re: Extended Sunday opening hours
« Reply #414 on: July 11, 2015, 08:21:12 PM »
It is self-evident to all but those who will not accept it, because they cannot ever accept to being in the wrong.
What is "self-evident"?
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Re: Extended Sunday opening hours
« Reply #415 on: July 11, 2015, 08:21:21 PM »
Dear Rhiannon,

Shut up.

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Gonnagle.

But this isn't making sense, Gonners. If you want people not to buy sweatshop crap then tell the corner shop and markets (that everyone seems to universally agree we should all be shopping at) to stop flogging it - you can't move in my local newsagents for plastic tat. Why is it ok for them to open early to sell crap but Tesco can't? At least Tesco have a few Fairtrade and organic things.

What makes you think I go to a supermarket to do anything other than feed my family and fill the car up?

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Re: Extended Sunday opening hours
« Reply #416 on: July 11, 2015, 08:22:24 PM »
Of course, the greedy, grasping supermarkets are to be encouraged to fleece us out of even more money with their grossly inflated prices.
Do they compel people, on threat of penalties of one sort or another, to enter their doors, then?

No, but present people with an easy option, and they will take it.
So competent consenting adults can't act as free agents of their own voilition, then? That seems to be what you're saying.

Au contraire.  I am saying that given the chance to take the easy option of using the supermarket rather than find a small shop that can provide what they want, they will choose the supermarket.  And add further profit to the grasping giants.
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Re: Extended Sunday opening hours
« Reply #417 on: July 11, 2015, 08:23:43 PM »

So, from my experience, the 'protect small-shops' argument isn't remotely convincing
On the basis of direct personal experience wigginhall has said this.

On the basis of direct personal experience Rhiannon has said this.

On the basis of direct personal experience I have said this.

I'm starting to smell that the pseudo-argument about small local convenience shops going to the wall is horseshit.
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Re: Extended Sunday opening hours
« Reply #418 on: July 11, 2015, 08:25:55 PM »
Au contraire. I am saying that given the chance to take the easy option of using the supermarket rather than find a small shop that can provide what they want, they will choose the supermarket. And add further profit to the grasping giants.
Can the average person/family do a weekly shop and get all they want/need at a small shop, then?
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Re: Extended Sunday opening hours
« Reply #419 on: July 11, 2015, 08:26:14 PM »
But, unfortunately, there is a gap as big as an elephant's bottom between them and what is good for all.

If it is 'good for all' to constrain ST then; a) who determines that this is indeed 'good for all' and how is this justified, and b) since I'm not constrained as you are then what negatives should I be wary of?

   

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« Reply #420 on: July 11, 2015, 08:33:14 PM »
Au contraire. I am saying that given the chance to take the easy option of using the supermarket rather than find a small shop that can provide what they want, they will choose the supermarket. And add further profit to the grasping giants.
Can the average person/family do a weekly shop and get all they want/need at a small shop, then?

The Olympic exercise was clear evidence that the supermarkets would further trample on the small shops, given the opportunity: see, M311.  If families cannot get their weekly shop done, over six days of sometimes 24-hour opening, and six hours on a Sunday, then they should organise themselves better.  It is possible to use both kinds of out-let; but at the present it is not a level playing field.  The supermarkets have all the advantages; why should they have even more?
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Re: Extended Sunday opening hours
« Reply #421 on: July 11, 2015, 08:33:52 PM »
Dear Gordon,

Or should I say Granda ( bugger I am hitting below the belt, sorry mate, yes I will buy you a malt of your choice ) where does it end, small shops are okay just now ( heavy empathise on now ) but when your Grand kids are looking after their Grand kids, what stories they will tell.

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Re: Extended Sunday opening hours
« Reply #422 on: July 11, 2015, 08:34:57 PM »
But, unfortunately, there is a gap as big as an elephant's bottom between them and what is good for all.

If it is 'good for all' to constrain ST then; a) who determines that this is indeed 'good for all' and how is this justified, and b) since I'm not constrained as you are then what negatives should I be wary of?

   

It is good for all because everyone can still shop on Sunday, but with less detrimental effect on the smaller shops.
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Re: Extended Sunday opening hours
« Reply #423 on: July 11, 2015, 08:38:57 PM »
The Olympic exercise was clear evidence that the supermarkets would further trample on the small shops, given the opportunity: see, M311.
So why fetishise smallness and lack of choice, then, as I asked earlier?

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If families cannot get their weekly shop done, over six days of sometimes 24-hour opening, and six hours on a Sunday, then they should organise themselves better.
The ever clear Professor Davey has addressed this in multiple posts throughout this thread far better than I ever could.

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It is possible to use both kinds of out-let;
That's what most people not only seem to want but actually have, if the experience of wigginhall, Rhiannon and myself (I think in rural or semi-rural areas in all cases) is anything to go by.
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Re: Extended Sunday opening hours
« Reply #424 on: July 11, 2015, 08:40:30 PM »
Dear Rhiannon,

Post 418, WHAT!! The small shops keep the sweat shops running, we all know what keeps the sweat shops running, our greed.

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