Extended Sunday opening hours

[Walt Zingmatilder]

but there are things we can go and do if we can grab a moment.

I carve out my time for reflection

Thanks Rhiannon evidence that reflection and having time now involves the language of fighting and struggling. It shouldn't be like that.

I'm with Gonners in thinking that this is a bad situation to have got ourselves in and you just show how little choice there actually is when it comes to frenetic lifestyle...no matter how much some may bang on about having choice...Shaker, Gordon et al ( Al's the worst ).

But you want my day of reflection to be a Sunday and that is when I have to 'grab' time because it is a very busy day. You want it to be a day of leisure for me, coming and do my washing and supervise the homework.

Stopping Sunday trading isn't going to suddenly give us all a lovely day off.

No I think I only want a national day. Pick our own and there is no social dimension or environmental gain. With Gonners I believe that too many are working at inhuman levels and I think we are now what we work at and what we spend rather than who we are.

I am all for it being a Tuesday....as long as Tuesday is then renamed sunday .

For your part you don't want it to be sunday because of purely irrational reasons...
an irrational fear of things being associated with Christianity.

[BashfulAnthony]

Dear Bashers,

Happy Birthday old friend, for your enlightenment and a bit of humour, in my local newspaper a 103 year old lady stated her secret to longevity, whisky and curry, going by her philosophy, I am bloody immortal

Gonnagle.

It may be too late for me, then!  Thanks for that, Gonners:  much appreciated.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Does anybody want or need a full day of reflection? That would get a bit boring after not tremendously long, I'd have thought. I lead a fairly quiet life and like Rhiannon, reflect at various times - some fairly ordered, others spontaneous - throughout each day. I don't need to save it up for Sunday (why Sunday?) and cram it all into one day.

Yep, they do. They would also need to have, initially, help in finding out how to use there newly rediscovered freedom and ability for reflection and being and I guess that's why Churches and humanist Sunday Assemblies spring up.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Dear Bashers,

Happy Birthday old friend, for your enlightenment and a bit of humour, in my local newspaper a 103 year old lady stated her secret to longevity, whisky and curry, going by her philosophy, I am bloody immortal

Gonnagle.

It may be too late for me, then!  Thanks for that, Gonners:  much appreciated.

happy Birthday Sir.

[Gonnagle]

Dear Vlad,

Do you ever get sick of being right

Gonnagle.

[BashfulAnthony]

Dear Bashers,

Happy Birthday old friend, for your enlightenment and a bit of humour, in my local newspaper a 103 year old lady stated her secret to longevity, whisky and curry, going by her philosophy, I am bloody immortal

Gonnagle.

It may be too late for me, then!  Thanks for that, Gonners:  much appreciated.

happy Birthday Sir.

Thank you, very kind.

[Shaker]

Does anybody want or need a full day of reflection? That would get a bit boring after not tremendously long, I'd have thought. I lead a fairly quiet life and like Rhiannon, reflect at various times - some fairly ordered, others spontaneous - throughout each day. I don't need to save it up for Sunday (why Sunday?) and cram it all into one day.

Yep, they do. They would also need to have, initially, help in finding out how to use there newly rediscovered freedom and ability for reflection and being and I guess that's why Churches and humanist Sunday Assemblies and atheist cabarets spring up.

On whose behalf are you speaking here?

Who have you asked/spoken to?

Why are you invoking the banner of freedom when you and your brigade are the ones trying to limit it?

[jeremyp]

So you agree that food wastage is linked to having plenty

Yes

and more sunday trading means greater plenitude.

I don't think it means more wastage.  With Sunday trading, for instance, I don't have to buy extra milk on Saturday only to misjudge it and see it go off.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Does anybody want or need a full day of reflection? That would get a bit boring after not tremendously long, I'd have thought. I lead a fairly quiet life and like Rhiannon, reflect at various times - some fairly ordered, others spontaneous - throughout each day. I don't need to save it up for Sunday (why Sunday?) and cram it all into one day.

Yep, they do. They would also need to have, initially, help in finding out how to use there newly rediscovered freedom and ability for reflection and being and I guess that's why Churches and humanist Sunday Assemblies and atheist cabarets spring up.

On whose behalf are you speaking here?

Who have you asked/spoken to?

Why are you invoking the banner of freedom when you and your brigade are the ones trying to limit it?

I have edited atheist cabarets since, on reflection, they are just glorified rant shops.

In terms of Sunday Assemblies, they are I think fair centres which IMO would aid people to develop their reflective abilities.

The banner of freedom I am under is the freedom from 24/7 expectation to be part of the 24/7 machine which affects the whole infrastructure and social environment and homoncularises people and sets up a situation where you are what you work at and what and where you spend rather than who you are.

If I am not under the banner of freedom to do 4 hours more shopping I don't think I have lost anything worth having.

[jeremyp]

Dear Prof,

My position as a Scot, Glaswegian, Brit, I want the weekend for family, community, leisure, I want one day where the world stops.

One day with no cars on the road, one day of silence.

Gonnagle.

All you have to do is not go out on a Sunday yourself.  Nobody forces you to go shopping on Sunday and nobody forces you to go for a drive on a Sunday. 

On the other hand, I don't think you should have the right to stop others from going shopping or for a drive if they so wish.

[wigginhall]

So Vlad's argument is that Sunday opening involves more spending and consumerism, therefore the government should ban it?  I'm not sure how that works - the government should do what Vlad wants?

[Walt Zingmatilder]

So you agree that food wastage is linked to having plenty

Yes

and more sunday trading means greater plenitude.

I don't think it means more wastage.  With Sunday trading, for instance, I don't have to buy extra milk on Saturday only to misjudge it and see it go off.

But on a special sunday you would have time to turn it into Ice Cream.

[Rhiannon]

Dear Bashers,

Yes slightly tongue in cheek, but alcoholism is only one blight on the landscape, diabetes, obesity, debt, poverty, as I mentioned to your old pal Shaker, humans are stupid, we need rules.

Gonnagle.

So no Christian alcoholics, fat people, drug addicts, sex addicts, gamblers then.

yep......but as far as I can see it isn't the fat Christian pissheads on this board who are extolling the virtues of having more opportunity to indulge vices they have problems owning up to.( Bedroom cavalier antitheists take note).

Buying bread is a vice?

Don't be ridiculous. A) No one is suggesting here a ban on bread B) Obesity and overspending is the problem. Not having bread on a sunday never will be.

But I'm not arguing for the right to be obese or spend too much, I'm arguing for the right to buy bread. And salad admittedly.

Are you seriously suggesting you can't find a small shop-keeper to buy bread from on a Sunday?  If you cant, get to the supermarket before 5.00pm, or buy it on Saturday!!

I can buy manufactured white sliced. I can't get freshly baked bread as the baker doesn't open. I don't think anyone would argue that the stuff out of packets is a particularly healthy option.

If I buy on Saturday it usually has gone off by Sunday which, as Jeremy points out, is food waste.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

So Vlad's argument is that Sunday opening involves more spending and consumerism, therefore the government should ban it?  I'm not sure how that works - the government should do what Vlad wants?

Yes but isn't it the government's desire that we should save more and spend less?
And don't you think that if spending on non foodgoods was curtailed people would realise that they had shopoholism ''real bad''?

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Dear Bashers,

Yes slightly tongue in cheek, but alcoholism is only one blight on the landscape, diabetes, obesity, debt, poverty, as I mentioned to your old pal Shaker, humans are stupid, we need rules.

Gonnagle.

So no Christian alcoholics, fat people, drug addicts, sex addicts, gamblers then.

yep......but as far as I can see it isn't the fat Christian pissheads on this board who are extolling the virtues of having more opportunity to indulge vices they have problems owning up to.( Bedroom cavalier antitheists take note).

Buying bread is a vice?

Don't be ridiculous. A) No one is suggesting here a ban on bread B) Obesity and overspending is the problem. Not having bread on a sunday never will be.

But I'm not arguing for the right to be obese or spend too much, I'm arguing for the right to buy bread. And salad admittedly.

Are you seriously suggesting you can't find a small shop-keeper to buy bread from on a Sunday?  If you cant, get to the supermarket before 5.00pm, or buy it on Saturday!!

I can buy manufactured white sliced. I can't get freshly baked bread as the baker doesn't open. I don't think anyone would argue that the stuff out of packets is a particularly healthy option.

If I buy on Saturday it usually has gone off by Sunday which, as Jeremy points out, is food waste.

Eat cake!

[Rhiannon]

but there are things we can go and do if we can grab a moment.

I carve out my time for reflection

Thanks Rhiannon evidence that reflection and having time now involves the language of fighting and struggling. It shouldn't be like that.

I'm with Gonners in thinking that this is a bad situation to have got ourselves in and you just show how little choice there actually is when it comes to frenetic lifestyle...no matter how much some may bang on about having choice...Shaker, Gordon et al ( Al's the worst ).

But you want my day of reflection to be a Sunday and that is when I have to 'grab' time because it is a very busy day. You want it to be a day of leisure for me, coming and do my washing and supervise the homework.

Stopping Sunday trading isn't going to suddenly give us all a lovely day off.

No I think I only want a national day. Pick our own and there is no social dimension or environmental gain. With Gonners I believe that too many are working at inhuman levels and I think we are now what we work at and what we spend rather than who we are.

I am all for it being a Tuesday....as long as Tuesday is then renamed sunday .

For your part you don't want it to be sunday because of purely irrational reasons...
an irrational fear of things being associated with Christianity.

Yes, there are all kinds of issues with work, but it was ever thus and we can't delude ourselves that Sundays in the past were full of apple-cheeked children gathered around the joanna for a sing-sing with their ma and pa. My grandparents worked all the hours God sent. My mother spent her weekends finishing work brought home from the office and cooking (she had my nan to do the uniform). I've yet to speak to anyone from other generations who found life anything other than hard work.

As for the rest, don't talk nonsense.

[jeremyp]

I'm with Gonners in thinking that this is a bad situation to have got ourselves in and you just show how little choice there actually is when it comes to frenetic lifestyle...no matter how much some may bang on about having choice...Shaker, Gordon et al ( Al's the worst ).

Nobody makes you have a frenetic lifestyle except you. 

You will not be forced to go shopping on Sundays with the extra hours.  Can you get that through you thick skull into what passes for your brain?

[wigginhall]

So Vlad's argument is that Sunday opening involves more spending and consumerism, therefore the government should ban it?  I'm not sure how that works - the government should do what Vlad wants?

Yes but isn't it the government's desire that we should save more and spend less?
And don't you think that if spending on non foodgoods was curtailed people would realise that they had shopoholism ''real bad''?

Ah, you want to help people by stopping them shopping.   Nanny state, eh?

[Nearly Sane]

Vlad has waited years to be Marie Antoinette, he lives the crinoline and the hoops.


But which baker is selling you bread on a Saturday that is off on a Sunday? They must be incredibly bad.

[Shaker]

Shaker here - only 30 minutes to go - no sign of press gang in street waiting to drag me into Sainsbury and force me at gunpoint to buy a microwavable vegetable jalfrezi - will keep eyes peeled - so far so good - Shaker out.

[jeremyp]

Does anybody want or need a full day of reflection?

It seems that some of the Christians do.  It seems that without an enforced day of reflection they would be obese alcoholic bread junky slaves to rampant consumerism.

Some of us, on the other hand just want to be able to go to the supermarket for our milk at 9am.

[Rhiannon]

Does anybody want or need a full day of reflection? That would get a bit boring after not tremendously long, I'd have thought. I lead a fairly quiet life and like Rhiannon, reflect at various times - some fairly ordered, others spontaneous - throughout each day. I don't need to save it up for Sunday (why Sunday?) and cram it all into one day.

Agreed. I deliberately get up early so I get a coffee before anyone else is up. It's a twenty minute cuddle with the dog on the sofa before the day starts. Walking him is a time for reflection. I try to get to bed early so I get time to reflect before I fall asleep. But then life throws up things to reflect on - making soup, watching a bird, getting an unexpected gift, a hug from the kids, rainfall...why a special day?

[jeremyp]

Dear Vlad,

Do you ever get sick of being right

How would Vlad know the answer to that question?

[jeremyp]

But on a special sunday you would have time to turn it into Ice Cream.

And so I would on a special Saturday or Wednesday if I wanted.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

So Vlad's argument is that Sunday opening involves more spending and consumerism, therefore the government should ban it?  I'm not sure how that works - the government should do what Vlad wants?

Yes but isn't it the government's desire that we should save more and spend less?
And don't you think that if spending on non foodgoods was curtailed people would realise that they had shopoholism ''real bad''?

Ah, you want to help people by stopping them shopping.   Nanny state, eh?

I can imagine you in 1940 Wiggs ''Ah, you want to help people by stopping them getting overwhelmed by the Nazi beast.......Nanny State eh.

In any case who said anything about stopping people shopping. It would be about
stopping a few selling a few items. If debt and overspending is a social problem, we bring in measures for social problems........ Make Cashpoints only give out tickets for national trust properties and funfairs on a sunday.