Extended Sunday opening hours

[Walt Zingmatilder]

But on a special sunday you would have time to turn it into Ice Cream.

And so I would on a special Saturday or Wednesday if I wanted.

There should always be some time available to make ice cream.

[Shaker]

I can imagine you in 1940 Wiggs ''Ah, you want to help people by stopping them getting overwhelmed by the Nazi beast.......Nanny State eh.

You do know you just lost the argument, right?

[Rhiannon]

So Vlad's argument is that Sunday opening involves more spending and consumerism, therefore the government should ban it?  I'm not sure how that works - the government should do what Vlad wants?

Yes but isn't it the government's desire that we should save more and spend less?
And don't you think that if spending on non foodgoods was curtailed people would realise that they had shopoholism ''real bad''?

Ah, you want to help people by stopping them shopping.   Nanny state, eh?

I can imagine you in 1940 Wiggs ''Ah, you want to help people by stopping them getting overwhelmed by the Nazi beast.......Nanny State eh.

In any case who said anything about stopping people shopping. It would be about
stopping a few selling a few items. If debt and overspending is a social problem, we bring in measures for social problems........ Make Cashpoints only give out tickets for national trust properties and funfairs on a sunday.

Are the National Trust shops allowed to open and what about the consumerist shit given out by funfairs as 'prizes'?

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Shaker here - only 30 minutes to go - no sign of press gang in street waiting to drag me into Sainsbury and force me at gunpoint to buy a microwavable vegetable jalfrezi - will keep eyes peeled - so far so good - Shaker out.

Why don't you pass the last 20 minutes counting the Ocado vans go by.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

So Vlad's argument is that Sunday opening involves more spending and consumerism, therefore the government should ban it?  I'm not sure how that works - the government should do what Vlad wants?

Yes but isn't it the government's desire that we should save more and spend less?
And don't you think that if spending on non foodgoods was curtailed people would realise that they had shopoholism ''real bad''?

Ah, you want to help people by stopping them shopping.   Nanny state, eh?

I can imagine you in 1940 Wiggs ''Ah, you want to help people by stopping them getting overwhelmed by the Nazi beast.......Nanny State eh.

In any case who said anything about stopping people shopping. It would be about
stopping a few selling a few items. If debt and overspending is a social problem, we bring in measures for social problems........ Make Cashpoints only give out tickets for national trust properties and funfairs on a sunday.

Are the National Trust shops allowed to open and what about the consumerist shit given out by funfairs as 'prizes'?

Yes of course as long as they are less than the regulation square footage.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

I can imagine you in 1940 Wiggs ''Ah, you want to help people by stopping them getting overwhelmed by the Nazi beast.......Nanny State eh.

You do know you just lost the argument, right?

Oh yes? which argument is that?

[Rhiannon]

So Vlad's argument is that Sunday opening involves more spending and consumerism, therefore the government should ban it?  I'm not sure how that works - the government should do what Vlad wants?

Yes but isn't it the government's desire that we should save more and spend less?
And don't you think that if spending on non foodgoods was curtailed people would realise that they had shopoholism ''real bad''?

Ah, you want to help people by stopping them shopping.   Nanny state, eh?

I can imagine you in 1940 Wiggs ''Ah, you want to help people by stopping them getting overwhelmed by the Nazi beast.......Nanny State eh.

In any case who said anything about stopping people shopping. It would be about
stopping a few selling a few items. If debt and overspending is a social problem, we bring in measures for social problems........ Make Cashpoints only give out tickets for national trust properties and funfairs on a sunday.

Are the National Trust shops allowed to open and what about the consumerist shit given out by funfairs as 'prizes'?

Yes of course as long as they are less than the regulation square footage.

So it isn't consumerism you oppose -nothing like a William Morris-themed mug with a matching plastic sandwich tray and an overpriced keyring in the shape of a pair of wellies (Made in China). It's just consumerism in places that you disapprove of.

[Nearly Sane]

Ve hav vays of making you shop

[Shaker]

I can imagine you in 1940 Wiggs ''Ah, you want to help people by stopping them getting overwhelmed by the Nazi beast.......Nanny State eh.

You do know you just lost the argument, right?

Oh yes? which argument is that?

Your argument that you get to decide where and when people can shop. Invoking the Nazis establishes Godwin's Law and automatic loss of the argument. You can't argue with this. It's the Law.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

So Vlad's argument is that Sunday opening involves more spending and consumerism, therefore the government should ban it?  I'm not sure how that works - the government should do what Vlad wants?

Yes but isn't it the government's desire that we should save more and spend less?
And don't you think that if spending on non foodgoods was curtailed people would realise that they had shopoholism ''real bad''?

Ah, you want to help people by stopping them shopping.   Nanny state, eh?

I can imagine you in 1940 Wiggs ''Ah, you want to help people by stopping them getting overwhelmed by the Nazi beast.......Nanny State eh.

In any case who said anything about stopping people shopping. It would be about
stopping a few selling a few items. If debt and overspending is a social problem, we bring in measures for social problems........ Make Cashpoints only give out tickets for national trust properties and funfairs on a sunday.

Are the National Trust shops allowed to open and what about the consumerist shit given out by funfairs as 'prizes'?

Yes of course as long as they are less than the regulation square footage.

So it isn't consumerism you oppose -nothing like a William Morris-themed mug with a matching plastic sandwich tray and an overpriced keyring in the shape of a pair of wellies (Made in China). It's just consumerism in places that you disapprove of.

I've never heard of said mugs and keyrings suggested in the context of and in tandem with unbridled, economically significant consumerism before........is it a Keynesian or monetarist idea?

[Walt Zingmatilder]

I can imagine you in 1940 Wiggs ''Ah, you want to help people by stopping them getting overwhelmed by the Nazi beast.......Nanny State eh.

You do know you just lost the argument, right?

Oh yes? which argument is that?

Your argument that you get to decide where and when people can shop. Invoking the Nazis establishes Godwin's Law and automatic loss of the argument. You can't argue with this. It's the Law.

Vlad here......it's 15.55 and still the Godwin's law patrol hasn't arrived to arrest me for breaking his law.....I thought I saw a patrol vehicle at 15.54 but it was just an Ocado van.........Vlad out.

[Gordon]

About 5 minutes to go Shaky - so keep your head down: camouflage is essential, so make sure your tin hat doesn't reflect the sun.

Popping over to the bookies (had a few quid on the winner of the first at Perth), so might drop into Tesco about half-four: just because I can. 

[Shaker]

Grrrrrr! 

[jeremyp]

Oh yes? which argument is that?

Yes I often ask the same question about your postings on R&E

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Oh yes? which argument is that?

Yes I often ask the same question about your postings on R&E

Oh yes? which postings are they?

[Rhiannon]

So Vlad's argument is that Sunday opening involves more spending and consumerism, therefore the government should ban it?  I'm not sure how that works - the government should do what Vlad wants?

Yes but isn't it the government's desire that we should save more and spend less?
And don't you think that if spending on non foodgoods was curtailed people would realise that they had shopoholism ''real bad''?

Ah, you want to help people by stopping them shopping.   Nanny state, eh?

I can imagine you in 1940 Wiggs ''Ah, you want to help people by stopping them getting overwhelmed by the Nazi beast.......Nanny State eh.

In any case who said anything about stopping people shopping. It would be about
stopping a few selling a few items. If debt and overspending is a social problem, we bring in measures for social problems........ Make Cashpoints only give out tickets for national trust properties and funfairs on a sunday.

Are the National Trust shops allowed to open and what about the consumerist shit given out by funfairs as 'prizes'?

Yes of course as long as they are less than the regulation square footage.

So it isn't consumerism you oppose -nothing like a William Morris-themed mug with a matching plastic sandwich tray and an overpriced keyring in the shape of a pair of wellies (Made in China). It's just consumerism in places that you disapprove of.

I've never heard of said mugs and keyrings suggested in the context of and in tandem with unbridled, economically significant consumerism before........is it a Keynesian or monetarist idea?

That's goalpost moving. What is the difference between me buying a mug from the NT and a mug from Tesco? True, the NT are a charity but not all the purchase price goes to a good cause and it's still consumerism - I want this mug so I'm going to buy it even if I don't need it. I'll soon get bored with the mug and want a new one, even if I don't need one, that's how consumerism works, especially when it comes to gift shops that sell stuff few people really need. And both mugs have the same impact on the environment and both shops have staff who aren't having their national weekly holiday.

[Gonnagle]

Dear Wigs,

Call it Nanny state if you want, but the simple fact is humans are stupid.

Mans greed.

Now I am just about to have my Sunday dinner, made by my neighbour, the ingredients were bought yesterday, no need to rush to the supermarket.

Gonnagle.

[jeremyp]

Call it Nanny state if you want, but the simple fact is humans are stupid.

Mans greed.

speak for yourself.

[Rhiannon]

Dear Wigs,

Call it Nanny state if you want, but the simple fact is humans are stupid.

Mans greed.

Now I am just about to have my Sunday dinner, made by my neighbour, the ingredients were bought yesterday, no need to rush to the supermarket.

Gonnagle.

I'm just going to cook ours, also bought yesterday. But would the sky really have fallen in if I'd bought the jacket potatoes at 9 am this morning rather than at 10 am as I am legally entitled to? Would that really make me some kind of greedy consumerist monster?

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Dear Wigs,

Call it Nanny state if you want, but the simple fact is humans are stupid.

Mans greed.

Now I am just about to have my Sunday dinner, made by my neighbour, the ingredients were bought yesterday, no need to rush to the supermarket.

Gonnagle.

I'm just going to cook ours, also bought yesterday. But would the sky really have fallen in if I'd bought the jacket potatoes at 9 am this morning rather than at 10 am as I am legally entitled to? Would that really make me some kind of greedy consumerist monster?

Would the sky have fallen in waiting till ten?
On the other hand the environment changes at 9 if the whole consumerist juggernaut is humming at that time.

[wigginhall]

A day of reflection sounds fine, but will the date be determined by Vlad? 

[Walt Zingmatilder]

A day of reflection sounds fine, but will the date be determined by Vlad?

There's a good chance it won't so don't worry unduly.

[Rhiannon]

Dear Wigs,

Call it Nanny state if you want, but the simple fact is humans are stupid.

Mans greed.

Now I am just about to have my Sunday dinner, made by my neighbour, the ingredients were bought yesterday, no need to rush to the supermarket.

Gonnagle.

I'm just going to cook ours, also bought yesterday. But would the sky really have fallen in if I'd bought the jacket potatoes at 9 am this morning rather than at 10 am as I am legally entitled to? Would that really make me some kind of greedy consumerist monster?

Would the sky have fallen in waiting till ten?
On the other hand the environment changes at 9 if the whole consumerist juggernaut is humming at that time.

It depends. What if  I had something lovely planned to do with my family for ten, or that meant leaving at ten? What if the later start meant cutting the day short?

Besides, isn't consumerism consumerism at ten as well as nine? Why the difference?

[Gonnagle]

Dear Wigs,

He gets my vote for Prime Minister.

Dear Rhiannon,

Sky falling in, not on me or you, but maybe your childrens children.

Sins of the Father

Gonnagle.

[Shaker]

A day of reflection sounds fine, but will the date be determined by Vlad?

There's a good chance it won't so don't worry unduly.

We can all rest easily, then.

Or go shopping instead, since it's all about choice innit