Extended Sunday opening hours

[BeRational]

Dear Berational,

Eermm!! Yes I am slightly fixated on a party that is anti Christian, anti British and I am working up to placing the name murderer at their doorstep.

Dear Rhiannon,

Difference being that a large majority of British citizen don't follow me like sheep.

Gonnagle.

But you expect everyone to view and treat Sunday as YOU want.

I do not expect you to treat Sunday how I want. You are free to use Sunday as you wish.

Why do you not want to extend that to everyone?

[Rhiannon]

And there you go, Gonners, judging us again. The unfounded assumptions that you are making are breathtaking.

By the way, next time you want to have a pop at Mrs G for driving to the shops consider that your beef eating is worse for climate change than driving a car.

I think Jesus said something about attending to your own plank first.

[ProfessorDavey]

The problem is that you seek to dictate that respite to me. You do not allow me the freedom to choose for myself when or where to shop. And you have no logical reason for doing do beyond it being what you want.

Exactly. BA seems clearly to understand the advantages and desirability of getting in and out of the shops first thing. Not just of course that it is often quieter, but also because it is less disruptive to the rest of the (hopefully much more interesting and enjoyable) things you want to do during the rest of the day.

And he is right in that regard, yet he can't seem to understand that for many of us we want that choice to shop when it is most convenient to us 7 days a week, not 6 days. And actually as a working person 5 of those 6 days are totally unavailable to me for shopping, so it isn't 1 day in 7, but 1 day in 2.

[BeRational]

The problem is that you seek to dictate that respite to me. You do not allow me the freedom to choose for myself when or where to shop. And you have no logical reason for doing do beyond it being what you want.

Exactly. BA seems clearly to understand the advantages and desirability of getting in and out of the shops first thing. Not just of course that it is often quieter, but also because it is less disruptive to the rest of the (hopefully much more interesting and enjoyable) things you want to do during the rest of the day.

And he is right in that regard, yet he can't seem to understand that for many of us we want that choice to shop when it is most convenient to us 7 days a week, not 6 days. And actually as a working person 5 of those 6 days are totally unavailable to me for shopping, so it isn't 1 day in 7, but 1 day in 2.

In addition I am not sure if this is the case, but BA may even be retired and be able to shop easily in the week.

I wonder if this is Gonnagle too?

[Gonnagle]

Dear Rhiannon,

I will now take a back seat on this thread.

Gonnagle.

[Rhiannon]

Ok, Gonners, and I will join you.

We are all of us very far from perfect. But wanting the right to shop on a Sunday does not make any of us selfish consumerist right- wing bastards. We're just ordinary people trying to do our best.

[BeRational]

Ok, Gonners, and I will join you.

We are all of us very far from perfect. But wanting the right to shop on a Sunday does not make any of us selfish consumerist right- wing bastards. We're just ordinary people trying to do our best.

I also think it's a bit rich for people who are retired and can get to the shops easily in the week, getting on their high horse at people who CANNOT easily get out in the week.

Perhaps all retired people should be banned from weekend shopping, or late night shopping in the week?

Of course I would not want to impinge on someone else's freedom.

[ProfessorDavey]

Ok, Gonners, and I will join you.

We are all of us very far from perfect. But wanting the right to shop on a Sunday does not make any of us selfish consumerist right- wing bastards. We're just ordinary people trying to do our best.

I also think it's a bit rich for people who are retired and can get to the shops easily in the week, getting on their high horse at people who CANNOT easily get out in the week.

Perhaps all retired people should be banned from weekend shopping, or late night shopping in the week?

Of course I would not want to impinge on someone else's freedom.

That's right.

Actually I think there are some people who have very little idea of the complexities of juggling working full time plus young kids and family life plus all the necessary evils of shopping, DIY etc etc.

This notion of 'well there are 6 other days you can shop' is non-sense. Actually in the past 3 weeks the only possible time I have been able to get to a shop opening 'standard hours', e.g 9-5:30 (Monday to Saturday, with late opening on Thursday) and 11-5 on Sunday was yesterday between 11 and 1. That's 2 hours out of a possible approx. 180 hours.

[BeRational]

Ok, Gonners, and I will join you.

We are all of us very far from perfect. But wanting the right to shop on a Sunday does not make any of us selfish consumerist right- wing bastards. We're just ordinary people trying to do our best.

I also think it's a bit rich for people who are retired and can get to the shops easily in the week, getting on their high horse at people who CANNOT easily get out in the week.

Perhaps all retired people should be banned from weekend shopping, or late night shopping in the week?

Of course I would not want to impinge on someone else's freedom.

That's right.

Actually I think there are some people who have very little idea of the complexities of juggling working full time plus young kids and family life plus all the necessary evils of shopping, DIY etc etc.

This notion of 'well there are 6 other days you can shop' is non-sense. Actually in the past 3 weeks the only possible time I have been able to get to a shop opening 'standard hours', e.g 9-5:30 (Monday to Saturday, with late opening on Thursday) and 11-5 on Sunday was yesterday between 11 and 1. That's 2 hours out of a possible approx. 180 hours.

Exactly.

For me, the shops could all shut Monday to Friday from 9:00 till 17:00.

They might as well be shut for all the good they are to me at those times!

[ProfessorDavey]

Ok, Gonners, and I will join you.

We are all of us very far from perfect. But wanting the right to shop on a Sunday does not make any of us selfish consumerist right- wing bastards. We're just ordinary people trying to do our best.

I also think it's a bit rich for people who are retired and can get to the shops easily in the week, getting on their high horse at people who CANNOT easily get out in the week.

Perhaps all retired people should be banned from weekend shopping, or late night shopping in the week?

Of course I would not want to impinge on someone else's freedom.

That's right.

Actually I think there are some people who have very little idea of the complexities of juggling working full time plus young kids and family life plus all the necessary evils of shopping, DIY etc etc.

This notion of 'well there are 6 other days you can shop' is non-sense. Actually in the past 3 weeks the only possible time I have been able to get to a shop opening 'standard hours', e.g 9-5:30 (Monday to Saturday, with late opening on Thursday) and 11-5 on Sunday was yesterday between 11 and 1. That's 2 hours out of a possible approx. 180 hours.

Exactly.

For me, the shops could all shut Monday to Friday from 9:00 till 17:00.

They might as well be shut for all the good they are to me at those times!

And also why as much shopping as possible is done on-line, which can be done at any time. But not everything can be reasonably bought on-line.

[Shaker]

The problem is that you seek to dictate that respite to me. You do not allow me the freedom to choose for myself when or where to shop. And you have no logical reason for doing do beyond it being what you want.

Post of the thread, surely (alongside most of the ones by Prof. D., admittedly).

[BashfulAnthony]

The problem is that you seek to dictate that respite to me. You do not allow me the freedom to choose for myself when or where to shop. And you have no logical reason for doing do beyond it being what you want.

Utter tosh!! You are doing exactly the same as you accuse me of!!  You want it all your way, and blow the small shops who will suffer, blow the workers who may not want to work all day Sunday.  It is lying clap-trap to say that you can't find a few hours out of six days of twenty-four hour shopping, plus six or seven days on Sunday.  And that goes for all the disingenuous posters of like mind on here.  If you can't manage that, you are incompetent at organising your life.  It may be noted that you can all find hours to post on here without any trouble, yes???

[ProfessorDavey]

It is lying clap-trap to say that you can't find a few hours out of six days of twenty-four hour shopping, plus six or seven days on Sunday.

Wrong - see my earlier post.

[BashfulAnthony]

It is lying clap-trap to say that you can't find a few hours out of six days of twenty-four hour shopping, plus six or seven days on Sunday.

Wrong - see my earlier post.

I have, and it changes nothing.  Get organised!!

[BashfulAnthony]

The problem is that you seek to dictate that respite to me. You do not allow me the freedom to choose for myself when or where to shop. And you have no logical reason for doing do beyond it being what you want.

Exactly. BA seems clearly to understand the advantages and desirability of getting in and out of the shops first thing. Not just of course that it is often quieter, but also because it is less disruptive to the rest of the (hopefully much more interesting and enjoyable) things you want to do during the rest of the day.

And he is right in that regard, yet he can't seem to understand that for many of us we want that choice to shop when it is most convenient to us 7 days a week, not 6 days. And actually as a working person 5 of those 6 days are totally unavailable to me for shopping, so it isn't 1 day in 7, but 1 day in 2.

In addition I am not sure if this is the case, but BA may even be retired and be able to shop easily in the week.

I wonder if this is Gonnagle too?

There is seven day-a week shopping!!  24 hours a day for six days!!  Plenty of mini markets, etc, open till late on Sunday!!  If this is not enough, then you are just an incompetent organiser.

[ProfessorDavey]

It is lying clap-trap to say that you can't find a few hours out of six days of twenty-four hour shopping, plus six or seven days on Sunday.

Wrong - see my earlier post.

I have, and it changes nothing.  Get organised!!

I am, exceptionally organised. I have all sorts of things organised - work, family stuff, voluntary stuff etc etc. Doesn't leave much time for shopping in normal shopping hours. Just 2 hour in the last 3 weeks.

[ProfessorDavey]

The problem is that you seek to dictate that respite to me. You do not allow me the freedom to choose for myself when or where to shop. And you have no logical reason for doing do beyond it being what you want.

Exactly. BA seems clearly to understand the advantages and desirability of getting in and out of the shops first thing. Not just of course that it is often quieter, but also because it is less disruptive to the rest of the (hopefully much more interesting and enjoyable) things you want to do during the rest of the day.

And he is right in that regard, yet he can't seem to understand that for many of us we want that choice to shop when it is most convenient to us 7 days a week, not 6 days. And actually as a working person 5 of those 6 days are totally unavailable to me for shopping, so it isn't 1 day in 7, but 1 day in 2.

In addition I am not sure if this is the case, but BA may even be retired and be able to shop easily in the week.

I wonder if this is Gonnagle too?

There is seven day-a week shopping!!  24 hours a day for six days!!  Plenty of mini markets, etc, open till late on Sunday!!  If this is not enough, then you are just an incompetent organiser.

Depends what you want to buy. I actually did do some shopping in those 2 hours. Bought a nice new pair of trousers and shirt and a garden bench (special kids size). Not sure there are many 24 hour mini markets that sell those BA, and wouldn't trust either of those purchases on-line.

[BashfulAnthony]

It is lying clap-trap to say that you can't find a few hours out of six days of twenty-four hour shopping, plus six or seven days on Sunday.

Wrong - see my earlier post.

I have, and it changes nothing.  Get organised!!

I am, exceptionally organised. I have all sorts of things organised - work, family stuff, voluntary stuff etc etc. Doesn't leave much time for shopping in normal shopping hours. Just 2 hour in the last 3 weeks.

If you are exceptionally well-organised, then it should not be beyond your ability to do your shopping  -  it's not as though you have to plan to climb Everest, or something!  150 hours a week available at supermarkets, plus a further six or seven at smaller shops: just how much shopping do need to do?  Your position is ludicrously over the top.

[Shaker]

He does something rather more important than climbing Everest, which has never been anything other than an exercise in egotism anyway; he has a job (in science) and he has kids to raise.

[ProfessorDavey]

It is lying clap-trap to say that you can't find a few hours out of six days of twenty-four hour shopping, plus six or seven days on Sunday.

Wrong - see my earlier post.

I have, and it changes nothing.  Get organised!!

I am, exceptionally organised. I have all sorts of things organised - work, family stuff, voluntary stuff etc etc. Doesn't leave much time for shopping in normal shopping hours. Just 2 hour in the last 3 weeks.

If you are exceptionally well-organised, then it should not be beyond your ability to do your shopping  -  it's not as though you have to plan to climb Everest, or something!

Funny you should say that - actually last weekend was entirely out because I was away walking with friends doing the Yorkshire peaks.

Sure I could stop doing things I need to do (like work) or want to do for others (such as sorting family life, getting kids to places for clubs, parties etc, sorting them to be organised for trips, etc etc, governors meetings and commitments) and things for myself (e.g. choir), so I can get to the shops. But I don't want to do this and wold prefer that the shops were open a little longer on Sunday to make it a little less likely that I have to organise my life around the shops' opening hours rather than the other way around.

So this week:

Tonight - hour commute home then straight out to daughter's end of term gymnastics performance.
Tuesday - hour commute home then straight out to son's school concert, plus serving refreshments at interval
Wednesday - hour commute home then straight out to the dentists
Thursday - problem day - hour commute home then clash between choir rehearsal and son's last ever scouts, which is a family BBQ
And so it goes on.

Get it.

[BashfulAnthony]

He does something rather more important than climbing Everest, which has never been anything other than an exercise in egotism anyway; he has a job (in science) and he has kids to raise.

I'll not take second best to anyone when it comes to hard work and hours put in.  I did all that and more, and when there were less hours available than now:  no 24-hour shops.  I have never driven either, and I worked as long hours as the professor, and more;  and I managed. I had to, so I found time.  The real trouble is, people now just want it on a plate;  everything nice and easy and cushy, and somebody else can make it work for them.

[Shaker]

Sure. That's the way it works.

[ProfessorDavey]

He does something rather more important than climbing Everest, which has never been anything other than an exercise in egotism anyway; he has a job (in science) and he has kids to raise.

I'll not take second best to anyone when it comes to hard work and hours put in.  I did all that and more, and when there were less hours available than now:  no 24-hour shops.  I have never driven either, and I worked as long hours as the professor, and more;  and I managed. I had to, so I found time.  The real trouble is, people now just want it on a plate;  everything nice and easy and cushy, and somebody else can make it work for them.

Get the violin out someone.

But I don't understand your point. You seem to be saying 'it was unnecessarily tough for me, so it needs to be unnecessarily tough for you' - that doesn't seem very reasonable. I don't want to just 'manage' I want unnecessary restrictions to be stripped away. Again (still no-one giving a cogent rebuttal) - if a shop wants to open, there are staff happy to work and people who want to shop during extended hours on a Sunday why one earth should that be prevented by law.

[BashfulAnthony]

Sure. That's the way it works.

Right: it's called, "self-centred." 

[ProfessorDavey]

Sure. That's the way it works.

Right: it's called, "self-centred."

Excuse me - why is it self centred if (for the billionth time) a shop wants to open, there are staff happy to work and people who want to shop during extended hours on a Sunday to allow it to open. Who is being self centred - the willing shopper, the shop that wants to open or the willing shop worker?

The self centred approach is to try to prevent that from happening - to try to force others who would prefer to shop at a different time to you to have to fall in with your schedule, due to dogmatic reasons.