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Ashes 2015
« on: July 11, 2015, 06:02:16 PM »
Huge relief now that England can't be whitewashed.  However, I think it'll get harder unless all the pitches are sabotaged to draw the teeth of the Aussie fast bowlers.
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Re: Ashes 2015
« Reply #1 on: July 11, 2015, 06:33:08 PM »
Sabotaged? Piffle. Sport of gentlemen and all that, as if England would stoop so low.

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« Reply #2 on: July 11, 2015, 08:17:12 PM »
Huge relief now that England can't be whitewashed.  However, I think it'll get harder unless all the pitches are sabotaged to draw the teeth of the Aussie fast bowlers.

What's good for the goose is good for the gander.  The Aussies prepared pitches to suit their fast bowlers in the last series; now it's our turn.  That's how it works, both in Test and first-class cricket.
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« Reply #3 on: July 12, 2015, 10:32:03 AM »
That's correct, every test team in the world prepares pitches to suit their players.   But I think Lords will be faster, so we shall see.  Incidentally, Broad was in the zone, for some reason, bowling full and with a killer slower ball, which the Oz could not fathom. 
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Re: Ashes 2015
« Reply #4 on: July 12, 2015, 01:11:59 PM »
Graham Swann was suggesting (Day 2, iirc) that all wickets are slower than usual this year.  Not quite sure why.
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Re: Ashes 2015
« Reply #5 on: July 12, 2015, 01:20:06 PM »


It's beginning to look pretty bleak for Australia.  (ah!!)   There are now suggestions that both Haddin and Watson could lose their places;  some doubt about Starc's fitness; and Johnson looking comparatively ordinary.   They've lost Harris, and Rogers is in his last series.  Are they a busted flush?  After all, every dog has his day: have they had theirs?
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« Reply #6 on: July 12, 2015, 01:28:42 PM »


It's beginning to look pretty bleak for Australia.  (ah!!)   There are now suggestions that both Haddin and Watson could lose their places;  some doubt about Starc's fitness; and Johnson looking comparatively ordinary.   They've lost Harris, and Rogers is in his last series.  Are they a busted flush?  After all, every dog has his day: have they had theirs?
They may have reached their dy for this particular generation, but Australia seem to have a better youth sports policy as a nation (and not just in cricket) than we do here in the UK.  The new generation will be pushing their way in pretty soon.
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« Reply #7 on: July 12, 2015, 01:34:10 PM »


It's beginning to look pretty bleak for Australia.  (ah!!)   There are now suggestions that both Haddin and Watson could lose their places;  some doubt about Starc's fitness; and Johnson looking comparatively ordinary.   They've lost Harris, and Rogers is in his last series.  Are they a busted flush?  After all, every dog has his day: have they had theirs?
They may have reached their dy for this particular generation, but Australia seem to have a better youth sports policy as a nation (and not just in cricket) than we do here in the UK.  The new generation will be pushing their way in pretty soon.

I don't agree with you, Hope. I think we have an excellent system, and there is a lot of real talent coming through, and we saw a glimpse of it in the One-Day series against New Zealand.
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« Reply #8 on: July 12, 2015, 04:29:43 PM »
I don't agree with you, Hope. I think we have an excellent system, and there is a lot of real talent coming through, and we saw a glimpse of it in the One-Day series against New Zealand.
Ironically, BA, our system is only some 8-10 years old and is actually based on the Australian's own Academy system which has been around for 25 years and more.
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« Reply #9 on: July 12, 2015, 04:31:31 PM »
I don't agree with you, Hope. I think we have an excellent system, and there is a lot of real talent coming through, and we saw a glimpse of it in the One-Day series against New Zealand.
Ironically, BA, our system is only some 8-10 years old and is actually based on the Australian's own Academy system which has been around for 25 years and more.

Right, and good on us to see the benefits and adopt the system.
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« Reply #10 on: July 12, 2015, 05:11:36 PM »
Right, and good on us to see the benefits and adopt the system.
Just another point, I think it was Australian wicket keeper Rodney Marsh who encouraged the ECB to adopt the Australian's system!!
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« Reply #11 on: July 12, 2015, 09:03:46 PM »
Right, and good on us to see the benefits and adopt the system.
Just another point, I think it was Australian wicket keeper Rodney Marsh who encouraged the ECB to adopt the Australian's system!!

Yes, I seem to remember he worked here for some time, and was director of the Academy?? 
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Re: Ashes 2015
« Reply #12 on: July 15, 2015, 12:02:04 AM »

So now Haddin out for the next Test: maybe for good?  Faulkner out of the One-Day series, with Court appearance to come; Starc still doubtful for Thursday. Harris gone.  Creak after creak in the Aussies!   It's so sad!    ;D ;D   
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« Reply #13 on: July 15, 2015, 12:04:47 AM »

So now Haddin out for the next Test: maybe for good?

It's arguable he would have been dropped anyway. 

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Faulkner out of the One-Day series, with Court appearance to come; Starc still doubtful for Thursday. Harris gone.  Creak after creak in the Aussies!   It's so sad!    ;D ;D

Yes, well let's not count our chickens just yet.
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« Reply #14 on: July 15, 2015, 12:08:49 AM »

So now Haddin out for the next Test: maybe for good?

It's arguable he would have been dropped anyway. 

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Faulkner out of the One-Day series, with Court appearance to come; Starc still doubtful for Thursday. Harris gone.  Creak after creak in the Aussies!   It's so sad!    ;D ;D

Yes, well let's not count our chickens just yet.

No, but it's promising at the moment, and Aussie morale must be low.

Haddin is certainly finding it hard now, not surprisingly;  and I don't think he can cope with back-to-back Tests.  I thought he was looking much less agile than he has been, having lots of diving to do, and falling increasingly like the proverbial sack of potatoes!  He managed it, but I reckon it's time up for him, and I think they'll see how Nevill goes at Lord's before deciding whether to make it a permanent change.

Rogers, of course, is also calling it time at the end of the Series; Watson is really struggling, probably out of the Lord's match, too; and even Clarke is creaking with injuries, constantly feeling his injured back, and maybe lacking the old motivation? Plus no Harris and maybe no Starc.  I reckon the Aussies will do well to bounce back from all that!  Looks like Jason Gillespie was not far off when summing up his old team-mates as, "Dad's Army."
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Re: Ashes 2015
« Reply #15 on: July 18, 2015, 10:52:32 AM »
[quote http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-the-papers-31775735=BashfulAnthony link=topic=10579.msg538643#msg538643 date=1436914924]

So now Haddin out for the next Test: maybe for good?

It's arguable he would have been dropped anyway. 

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Faulkner out of the One-Day series, with Court appearance to come; Starc still doubtful for Thursday. Harris gone.  Creak after creak in the Aussies!   It's so sad!    ;D ;D

Yes, well let's not count our chickens just yet.

No, but it's promising at the moment, and Aussie morale must be low.
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Nice to see the Aussie morale affecting them so badly at Lords.

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Looks like Jason Gillespie was not far off when summing up his old team-mates as, "Dad's Army."
What does that make us?
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« Reply #16 on: July 18, 2015, 11:31:20 AM »
England return to their usual form. Feels so much more normal.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/live/cricket/32809496

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« Reply #17 on: July 18, 2015, 01:52:34 PM »
[quote http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-the-papers-31775735=BashfulAnthony link=topic=10579.msg538643#msg538643 date=1436914924]

So now Haddin out for the next Test: maybe for good?

It's arguable he would have been dropped anyway. 

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Faulkner out of the One-Day series, with Court appearance to come; Starc still doubtful for Thursday. Harris gone.  Creak after creak in the Aussies!   It's so sad!    ;D ;D

Yes, well let's not count our chickens just yet.

No, but it's promising at the moment, and Aussie morale must be low.
Nice to see the Aussie morale affecting them so badly at Lords.

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Looks like Jason Gillespie was not far off when summing up his old team-mates as, "Dad's Army."
What does that m

You'll even criticise your own team  (if you can even call yourself an England supporter!) if you can get in a cheap shot at me.  How mature. Anyone who actually knows anything about cricket, will have learned long ago that you don't assume anything when they haven't even competed the first innings yet!
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Re: Ashes 2015
« Reply #18 on: July 18, 2015, 01:54:04 PM »
England return to their usual form. Feels so much more normal.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/live/cricket/32809496

What do you mean?  The usual form they showed against New Zealand, or the form they showed at Cardiff?

Do you ever watch cricket?
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« Reply #19 on: July 18, 2015, 02:08:47 PM »
[quote http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-the-papers-31775735=BashfulAnthony link=topic=10579.msg538643#msg538643 date=1436914924]

So now Haddin out for the next Test: maybe for good?

It's arguable he would have been dropped anyway. 

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Faulkner out of the One-Day series, with Court appearance to come; Starc still doubtful for Thursday. Harris gone.  Creak after creak in the Aussies!   It's so sad!    ;D ;D

Yes, well let's not count our chickens just yet.

No, but it's promising at the moment, and Aussie morale must be low.
Nice to see the Aussie morale affecting them so badly at Lords.

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Looks like Jason Gillespie was not far off when summing up his old team-mates as, "Dad's Army."
What does that make us?
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You'll even criticise your own team  (if you can even call yourself an England supporter!) if you can get in a cheap shot at me.  How mature. Anyone who actually knows anything about cricket, will have learned long ago that you don't assume anything when they haven't even competed the first innings yet!

BTW, get your quotes sorted out!!
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« Reply #20 on: July 18, 2015, 02:55:51 PM »

You'll even criticise your own team  (if you can even call yourself an England supporter!) if you can get in a cheap shot at me.  How mature. Anyone who actually knows anything about cricket, will have learned long ago that you don't assume anything when they haven't even competed the first innings yet!
I wasn't criticising England. I was criticising your overconfident assessment of Australia.
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« Reply #21 on: July 18, 2015, 03:16:40 PM »

You'll even criticise your own team  (if you can even call yourself an England supporter!) if you can get in a cheap shot at me.  How mature. Anyone who actually knows anything about cricket, will have learned long ago that you don't assume anything when they haven't even competed the first innings yet!
I wasn't criticising England. I was criticising your overconfident assessment of Australia.
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You may have noticed, or not, that at the end of my post I put a question mark.  I was pointing out the things going wrong for Australia, all common knowledge and not specifically my own assessment.  Much of what I posted has haopened, the loss of both Haddin and Watson, in particular.
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« Reply #22 on: July 18, 2015, 03:23:28 PM »

You'll even criticise your own team  (if you can even call yourself an England supporter!) if you can get in a cheap shot at me.  How mature. Anyone who actually knows anything about cricket, will have learned long ago that you don't assume anything when they haven't even competed the first innings yet!
I wasn't criticising England. I was criticising your overconfident assessment of Australia.
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BTW, get your quotes sorted out!!
I'm on an iPad because I'm watching my mate's son playing cricket.

You may have noticed, or not, that at the end of my post I put a question mark.  I was pointing out the things going wrong for Australia, all common knowledge and not specifically my own assessment.  Much of what I posted has haopened, the loss of both Haddin and Watson, in particular.
At this time there is no question mark in your assessment of Australia.

I don't no what your problem is. You blow even a minor criticism of your posts out of all proportion. And it looks like the best interpretation of your post is that it is wildly optimistic.
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« Reply #23 on: July 18, 2015, 03:33:25 PM »

You'll even criticise your own team  (if you can even call yourself an England supporter!) if you can get in a cheap shot at me.  How mature. Anyone who actually knows anything about cricket, will have learned long ago that you don't assume anything when they haven't even competed the first innings yet!
I wasn't criticising England. I was criticising your overconfident assessment of Australia.
Quote

BTW, get your quotes sorted out!!
I'm on an iPad because I'm watching my mate's son playing cricket.

You may have noticed, or not, that at the end of my post I put a question mark.  I was pointing out the things going wrong for Australia, all common knowledge and not specifically my own assessment.  Much of what I posted has haopened, the loss of both Haddin and Watson, in particular.
At this time there is no question mark in your assessment of Australia.

I don't no what your problem is. You blow even a minor criticism of your posts out of all proportion. And it looks like the best interpretation of your post is that it is wildly optimistic.

Maybe it's because I play my country's chances up, whilst so may England supporters their play down the team  -  as Rhiannon demonstrated a little earlier.
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« Reply #24 on: July 18, 2015, 03:41:05 PM »
England are seven down and need 93 to avoid the follow on. How up are you going to play their chances?  I'd say they will lose before the fifth day.
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