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King Charles III
« on: July 13, 2015, 09:56:23 PM »
An interesting take on what might happen when the current monarch dies.  Mind you, it is 2.5 hours long!!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b061fmty
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Re: King Charles III
« Reply #1 on: July 13, 2015, 10:07:05 PM »
Whatever Westminster, Lambeth Palace or Chuck himself wants to call him, Charles 'III' he is not - just as his mum  is NOT Elizabeth 'II- regardless of Churchill's daft claim.
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Re: King Charles III
« Reply #2 on: July 13, 2015, 10:13:46 PM »
Why must we have another one of these dysfunctional leeches?
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Re: King Charles III
« Reply #3 on: July 13, 2015, 11:07:06 PM »
Agreed, Shaker.
The upper class version of Benefit Street needs sanctioned.
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Re: King Charles III
« Reply #4 on: July 14, 2015, 09:26:01 AM »
Just a minor constitutional point.

Why do people assume that he will choose his own name as his regnal name? He doesn't have to be Charles III. He could be George VII.

Or Wayne I.
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Re: King Charles III
« Reply #5 on: July 14, 2015, 11:18:48 AM »
I heard that on acceding to the throne he wouldn't take the style of King Charles III anyway, Charles having rather unfortunate associations for the royal family.
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Re: King Charles III
« Reply #6 on: July 14, 2015, 01:06:56 PM »
........and their so-called 'United' kingdom.
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Re: King Charles III
« Reply #7 on: July 14, 2015, 01:35:58 PM »
I'm afraid I can't see the monarchy being done away with for some time, whatever some here would like.

This programme was an attempt to look at what a monarch might choose to do under their constitutional rights as monarch.  Whether or not Charlie decides to be called Charles III or Alfred II or whatever is irrelevant to the story.  After all, it is 'before the event' fiction.

By the way, I do find some people's antagonism to the monarchy on the grounds that it doesn't represent them quite amusing.  The only part of the UK that has never had a national representative on the throne is N.Ireland, as far as I am aware.  In fact, it could be argued that both Scotland and Wales have have representative monarchs since the last English representative.
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Re: King Charles III
« Reply #8 on: July 14, 2015, 02:18:01 PM »
We are much better off with a monarchy who has no political power, than an elected head of state who has, imo!
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Re: King Charles III
« Reply #9 on: July 14, 2015, 02:21:06 PM »
Quote from: Floo on July 14, 2015, 02:18:01 PM
We are much better off with a monarchy who has no political power, than an elected head of state who has, imo!
Quite agree, Floo.  Imagine an elected Head of State with political power vetoing a Parliamentary Bill that has been passed by both Houses of Parliament!!
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Re: King Charles III
« Reply #10 on: July 14, 2015, 04:31:47 PM »
Like many, I will not acknowledge or defer to an unelected, unappointed anachronism.
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Re: King Charles III
« Reply #11 on: July 14, 2015, 05:27:45 PM »
Quote from: Anchorman on July 14, 2015, 04:31:47 PM
Like many, I will not acknowledge or defer to an unelected, unappointed anachronism.
So, you won't acknowledge your local policeman?
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Re: King Charles III
« Reply #12 on: July 14, 2015, 05:29:52 PM »
What makes police anachronistic?
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Re: King Charles III
« Reply #13 on: July 14, 2015, 05:40:53 PM »
Quote from: Shaker on July 14, 2015, 11:18:48 AM
I heard that on acceding to the throne he wouldn't take the style of King Charles III anyway, Charles having rather unfortunate associations for the royal family.
In Ireland he will be known as Charles de Turd.
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Re: King Charles III
« Reply #14 on: July 14, 2015, 07:05:59 PM »
Quote from: Hope on July 14, 2015, 05:27:45 PM
Quote from: Anchorman on July 14, 2015, 04:31:47 PM
Like many, I will not acknowledge or defer to an unelected, unappointed anachronism.
So, you won't acknowledge your local policeman?


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Policemen are appointed to the role by their superiors, having undertaken a course of instruction.
They are subject to scrutiny and discipline by their superiors - and elected councils.
This situation does not apply in the case of the Windsors.
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Re: King Charles III
« Reply #15 on: July 14, 2015, 07:13:39 PM »
Quote from: Anchorman on July 13, 2015, 10:07:05 PM
Whatever Westminster, Lambeth Palace or Chuck himself wants to call him, Charles 'III' he is not - just as his mum  is NOT Elizabeth 'II- regardless of Churchill's daft claim.

Yes they are.  The rule is simple:  you take the highest regnal number.  And it is just a number so stop getting your sporran in a twist.
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Re: King Charles III
« Reply #16 on: July 14, 2015, 07:15:17 PM »
Quote from: Shaker on July 14, 2015, 11:18:48 AM
I heard that on acceding to the throne he wouldn't take the style of King Charles III anyway, Charles having rather unfortunate associations for the royal family.

I can understand why he wouldn't want to be a Charles.  Both Charles's so far were pretty useless... oh, wait, it sounds like the ideal name for him.
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Re: King Charles III
« Reply #17 on: July 14, 2015, 07:16:34 PM »
Quote from: Floo on July 14, 2015, 02:18:01 PM
We are much better off with a monarchy who has no political power, than an elected head of state who has, imo!

an elected head of state would have no political power (along the lines of the Irish head of state) which poses the question: why does anybody care that the monarch is not elected?
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Re: King Charles III
« Reply #18 on: July 14, 2015, 07:18:31 PM »
Quote from: Vlad aka Chuck aka Harry Secombe and a hundred other equally on July 14, 2015, 05:40:53 PM
Quote from: Shaker on July 14, 2015, 11:18:48 AM
I heard that on acceding to the throne he wouldn't take the style of King Charles III anyway, Charles having rather unfortunate associations for the royal family.
In Ireland he will be known as Charles de Turd.

When I was at school, we had an Irish dinner lady.  We were called into the "dining room" by year so we knew it was our turn when she called on the "turd years".  My friend asked her what was for dinner one day and she said "third".
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Re: King Charles III
« Reply #19 on: July 14, 2015, 07:20:26 PM »
Quote from: jeremyp on July 14, 2015, 07:13:39 PM
Quote from: Anchorman on July 13, 2015, 10:07:05 PM
Whatever Westminster, Lambeth Palace or Chuck himself wants to call him, Charles 'III' he is not - just as his mum  is NOT Elizabeth 'II- regardless of Churchill's daft claim.

Yes they are.  The rule is simple:  you take the highest regnal number.  And it is just a number so stop getting your sporran in a twist.


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So forget James I or II of the 'UK', then.
Re-write history to read James VI & VII ( not forgetting his son, acknowledged, but never crowned, as James VIII)
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Re: King Charles III
« Reply #20 on: July 14, 2015, 07:22:55 PM »
As a republican, regnal numbers are an irrelevance.
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Re: King Charles III
« Reply #21 on: July 14, 2015, 07:27:23 PM »
Quote from: Anchorman on July 14, 2015, 07:20:26 PM
Quote from: jeremyp on July 14, 2015, 07:13:39 PM
Quote from: Anchorman on July 13, 2015, 10:07:05 PM
Whatever Westminster, Lambeth Palace or Chuck himself wants to call him, Charles 'III' he is not - just as his mum  is NOT Elizabeth 'II- regardless of Churchill's daft claim.

Yes they are.  The rule is simple:  you take the highest regnal number.  And it is just a number so stop getting your sporran in a twist.


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So forget James I or II of the 'UK', then.

Neither of them was ever King of the UK.  Technically the earlier one was James I of England and VI of Scotland (or vice versa, if you prefer) and his son was James II of England and VII of Scotland.

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Re-write history

I'm sorry, but that is what you just tried to do.  James VII/II lost the crowns in 1688.  The Acts of Union didn't happen until 1707.
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Re: King Charles III
« Reply #22 on: July 14, 2015, 07:39:57 PM »
Quote from: Nearly Sane on July 14, 2015, 07:22:55 PM
As a republican, regnal numbers are an irrelevance.
Whether or not one is a monarchist/republican, regnal numbers have a historical relevance.  I appreciate that some here seem to regard history as irrelevant, but not everyone does.
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Re: King Charles III
« Reply #23 on: July 14, 2015, 07:42:25 PM »
Quote from: jeremyp on July 14, 2015, 07:15:17 PM
I can understand why he wouldn't want to be a Charles.  Both Charles's so far were pretty useless... oh, wait, it sounds like the ideal name for him.
IIRC, the Charles's were Stuarts; with Scotland considering independence, would he want to associate himself with a Scottish brand?   ;)
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Re: King Charles III
« Reply #24 on: July 14, 2015, 07:44:43 PM »
Quote from: Shaker on July 14, 2015, 05:29:52 PM
What makes police anachronistic?
I was thinking about the unelected and unappointed bits. 
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