Author Topic: Islamic terror attack in USA (Read 7090 times)

OH MY WORLD! · « **on:** July 16, 2015, 11:01:23 PM »

We see more and more terror coming from the young and well to do. So we know that poverty isn't a factor. This young Muslim was living in a house with a pool. He's dead now and awaits his final judgement.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/16/us/tennessee-naval-reserve-shooting/index.html

trippymonkey · « **Reply #1 on:** July 17, 2015, 07:55:21 AM »

Quote from: johnny canoe on July 16, 2015, 11:01:23 PM

We see more and more terror coming from the young and well to do. So we know that poverty isn't a factor. This young Muslim was living in a house with a pool. He's dead now and awaits his final judgement.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/16/us/tennessee-naval-reserve-shooting/index.html

How do you 'KNOW' he awaits his final judgement & if it IS final anyway?

Anchorman · « **Reply #2 on:** July 17, 2015, 08:37:18 AM »

All will bejudged, including the perpetrator of this atrocity....and the politicians whose ham fisted invasions and interventions aided the rise of the terrorist movements in the first place.

Hope · « **Reply #3 on:** July 17, 2015, 08:39:27 AM »

johnny, currently there are no known links between the perp. and IS (or any other Islamic group). Obviously, that could change, but may I suggest that you amend the thread title to reflect the current understanding.

cyberman · « **Reply #4 on:** July 17, 2015, 11:31:07 AM »

Quote from: Hope on July 17, 2015, 08:39:27 AM

johnny, currently there are no known links between the perp. and IS (or any other Islamic group). Obviously, that could change, but may I suggest that you amend the thread title to reflect the current understanding.

There doesn't need to be a lnk to a group for this to be an Islamic terror attack

Hope · « **Reply #5 on:** July 17, 2015, 01:48:32 PM »

Quote from: cyberman on July 17, 2015, 11:31:07 AM

There doesn't need to be a lnk to a group for this to be an Islamic terror attack

I would disagree. The item linked to in the OP states that authorities "have not determined whether it was an act of terrorism or whether it was a criminal act," and according to a report posted on the BBC website 2 hours ago - Chattanooga shootings: FBI sees no terrorism link http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-33562479

Rhiannon · « **Reply #6 on:** July 17, 2015, 02:10:38 PM »

I'm not sure we know what terrorism is any more. Increasingly we are using 'terrorism' to describe 'hate crime' which just used to be 'crime'. Was the guy who set bombs in gay bars in SoHo a terrorist or a hate criminal?

Besides, mass shootings in the States aren't rare and seem to have excuses rather than reasons. Radical Islam or too much gaming combined with a gun culture? Who knows.

BashfulAnthony · « **Reply #7 on:** July 17, 2015, 02:16:10 PM »

Quote from: Rhiannon on July 17, 2015, 02:10:38 PM

I'm not sure we know what terrorism is any more. Increasingly we are using 'terrorism' to describe 'hate crime' which just used to be 'crime'. Was the guy who set bombs in gay bars in SoHo a terrorist or a hate criminal?

Besides, mass shootings in the States aren't rare and seem to have excuses rather than reasons. Radical Islam or too much gaming combined with a gun culture? Who knows.

That's just semantics. An individual who uses violence, terror, and intimidation to achieve a result is a terrorist, whatever his motivations, and it doesn't matter much to the person killed what the killer was doing it for.

Rhiannon · « **Reply #8 on:** July 17, 2015, 02:23:05 PM »

Yes, that is my point. We are engaged very much with semantics here, and increasingly apply the term 'terrorism' to acts that wouldn't have been classed as such in the past. Whether that is simply realism or whether it just stokes up fear and mistrust I don't know. Is it helpful to label someone a 'terrorist' given that one man's terrorist is another's glammed-up freedom fighter, when the plain reality is that they are just a cowardly murderer? I don't have the answer.

OH MY WORLD! · « **Reply #9 on:** July 17, 2015, 03:26:11 PM »

Stop it Hope. This dumb ass political correctness is part of the problem. People scared they might offend is playing right into the Islamic terrorists hands. No I won't change my post. He was a conservative Muslim, from a gulf state originally, well to do. This we KNOW and we also KNOW that marching orders from IS is too attack soldiers in their home countries. You can shove the political correctness. This is what it is. CNN maybe scared to and authorities maybe scared and Hope maybe scared but I tell you, this is Islamic terror, carried out by devils that hate you Hope. I'm not saying this Islamic terrorist has had any contact with IS. He didn't need contact to carry out their orders.

And yes we can carry the blame all the way back to the Ottoman Empire and further back Anchorman, but IS grew because the people of Syria decided to take on Assad. Yes, this is where IS was born and nurtured.

"This life is a test of faith" Mohammed Youssef Abulazeez

ISIS is celebrating Chattanooga terrorist attack on twitter.

OH MY WORLD! · « **Reply #10 on:** July 17, 2015, 03:37:56 PM »

A couple of posts by the terrorist.

https://myabdulazeez.wordpress.com/

Anchorman · « **Reply #11 on:** July 17, 2015, 03:40:41 PM »

I have never condoned terrorism.
Niether will I condone the Western interferance which exacerbates it.
Two wrongs, as they say....

Hope · « **Reply #12 on:** July 17, 2015, 03:54:04 PM »

Quote from: johnny canoe on July 17, 2015, 03:26:11 PM

Stop it Hope. This dumb ass political correctness is part of the problem. People scared they might offend is playing right into the Islamic terrorists hands.

Nothing to do with politica correctness or being scared. I'm quite happy to use the various 'terrorism' term when they have been shown to be correct. Its just that we seem to assume that when there is black/Asian on white/military violence it is necessarrily terrorism. Often it is, sometimes it isn't. I'd rather see the links before using the terms rather than the other way round. As for ISIL celebrating anything, they'll claim anything that helps to build up their machismo.

OH MY WORLD! · « **Reply #13 on:** July 17, 2015, 03:57:35 PM »

We do know that the FBI took over the investigation very quickly with Obama being kept in the loop. This is Islamic terrorism, no doubt about it. Lone wolf more than likely. We do know that the killer has become more and more devout and moved back to the middle east for a spell. We do know that the killer's sister was complaining about anti Muslim attitude by Americans. Well I wonder why there is so much anti Muslim feeling in the USA? Duh!

cyberman · « **Reply #14 on:** July 17, 2015, 03:59:16 PM »

Quote from: Anchorman on July 17, 2015, 03:40:41 PM

I have never condoned terrorism.
Niether will I condone the Western interferance which exacerbates it.
Two wrongs, as they say....

I don't agree that we should stand by and watch people get abused and killed just because they are Muslims. They are our neighbours.

OH MY WORLD! · « **Reply #15 on:** July 17, 2015, 04:06:07 PM »

IS was born because of the Assad regime in Syria and the Syrians rising up against Assad. The intervention in Syria came from the Persians. No, the birth of this demon can be put at the feet of a Syrian dictator. Not the west. I know some are desperate to blame all that's rotten over there on the west but that is absolute foolish in this case.

Hope · « **Reply #16 on:** July 17, 2015, 04:09:55 PM »

Quote from: johnny canoe on July 17, 2015, 04:06:07 PM

IS was born because of the Assad regime in Syria and the Syrians rising up against Assad. The intervention in Syria came from the Persians. No, the birth of this demon can be put at the feet of a Syrian dictator. Not the west. I know some are desperate to blame all that's rotten over there on the west but that is absolute foolish in this case.

Except that what you are decrying is closer to reality than what you are proposing, johnny - especially if you listen to those who live in the area.

OH MY WORLD! · « **Reply #17 on:** July 17, 2015, 04:30:09 PM »

The crumbling of the Assad regime allowed the rapid rise of IS. Stop the collective guilt crap and realize this cancer called IS needs to be exterminated. Just remember Islam and the Arabs didn't slaughter their way through the middle east and N Africa because of some western intervention. And IS isn't slaughtering because of western intervention, they are doing it because of their religion. Their religion that won't even tolerate the Shia's brand.

OH MY WORLD! · « **Reply #18 on:** July 17, 2015, 04:56:42 PM »

It would be smart if some of you would start paying attention to what young Islamic radicals are posting out there.

"We are taking over Britain, you can't stop us! We will make Britain an Islamic state, this will happen under your eyes! Your churches are becoming mosques, your women are having our babies, your food is turning halal, your laws will become Sharia! What you gonna do? NOTHING!!!! Hasan Ali

Some of you want to blame yourselves for this? Blame your governments? Why not blame radical Islam and it's terrorists?

OH MY WORLD! · « **Reply #19 on:** July 17, 2015, 05:13:32 PM »

Sorry you are so totally confused about terrorism Rhi. Hope this helps a little. A common criminal usually commits a crime to help his or her self or somebody they love. They often plead guilty to their crimes. A terrorist will kill based on his or her ideology and they slaughter and maim in a fight against humanity. It is not often you will have a terrorist plead guilty.
In this light you can see the difference between a Quicky Mart robbery and shooting verses say the Oklahoma bombing. One is terrorism and the other aint.

Anchorman · « **Reply #20 on:** July 17, 2015, 06:53:31 PM »

Quote from: johnny canoe on July 17, 2015, 04:56:42 PM

It would be smart if some of you would start paying attention to what young Islamic radicals are posting out there.

"We are taking over Britain, you can't stop us! We will make Britain an Islamic state, this will happen under your eyes! Your churches are becoming mosques, your women are having our babies, your food is turning halal, your laws will become Sharia! What you gonna do? NOTHING!!!! Hasan Ali

Some of you want to blame yourselves for this? Blame your governments? Why not blame radical Islam and it's terrorists?

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It would also be smart if you stopped lumping all Islam in the same camp.
IS is a sectarian sect...and they have slaughtered far more of their fellow religionists of other sects than they have non Moslems.
That doesn't take away the fact that this act of terror is wrong.
However, not all Moslems are Sunni.
Not all Sunnis are terrorists
Please don't be sogeneral in your condemnation.
Were IRA or UDA 'Christian' Terrorists?

OH MY WORLD! · « **Reply #21 on:** July 17, 2015, 07:05:00 PM »

Shame on you Anchorman, I am not doing that, I take direct aim at radical Islam. I do work for a Muslim fella down my street. He's great guy Anchorman, so stop that BS.

News flash, playing scared to offend, needing to be politically correct, is playing right into the radicals hand. That you are guilty of I would say.

Another news flash for you Mr. Politically correct. Officials are now saying it was an ISIS inspired attack. There was no doubt and deep down you knew that but just too chicken to come out and call a spade a spade. Shame on you.

This kind of spineless, politically correct, yappity yap from the left puts people in danger.

OH MY WORLD! · « **Reply #22 on:** July 17, 2015, 07:10:46 PM »

Latest update. Family is Palestinian, father accused of beating and rape by wife. Father was planning on taking second wife. Yes i also stand against this Anchorman, be it a Muslim, a Christian or somebody from Scotlandshire.

Anchorman · « **Reply #23 on:** July 17, 2015, 09:21:35 PM »

I won't use the term ISIS - that reflects an aspect of an Egyptian netjeru.
I'd use IS.
Whether their victims are Christian, Islam, American, Syrian, Tunisian, British or whatever matters not a jot.
Each and every one was human.
FYI I knew one of the victims shot by the IS gunman in Tunisia quite well - I first met Jim McQuire at a BB training course in 1980, and we remained in touch for nany years - exchanging cards and phone calls as late as last Christmas.
He was an innocent victim of a murderer.
A murderer who was one of a tiny minority of a sub sect of a sect of Islam.
The Church of which he, and his wife, were members - committed believers - has held prayer vigils to pray for the family of the murderer, and for all those radicalised to kill, whether in the middle East or wherever.
I do not hate IS - and let me tell you, niether does Jim's son.
Hurt, heartbroken though he is, he has forgiven the murderer.
The rest is up to God.

trippymonkey · « **Reply #24 on:** July 17, 2015, 10:38:06 PM »

Quote from: BashfulAnthony on July 17, 2015, 02:16:10 PM

Quote from: Rhiannon on July 17, 2015, 02:10:38 PM
I'm not sure we know what terrorism is any more. Increasingly we are using 'terrorism' to describe 'hate crime' which just used to be 'crime'. Was the guy who set bombs in gay bars in SoHo a terrorist or a hate criminal?

Besides, mass shootings in the States aren't rare and seem to have excuses rather than reasons. Radical Islam or too much gaming combined with a gun culture? Who knows.

That's just semantics. An individual who uses violence, terror, and intimidation to achieve a result is a terrorist, whatever his motivations, and it doesn't matter much to the person killed what the killer was doing it for.

Rather like the god of the Old Testament, eh?

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Author Topic: Islamic terror attack in USA (Read 7090 times)

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