Labour leadership race

[wigginhall]

Well, Gonners, Nu Labour and the Tories between them have broken up the union.   Should we cry or laugh?  Have a drink, old boy. 

[L.A.]

Well, Gonners, Nu Labour and the Tories between them have broken up the union.   Should we cry or laugh?  Have a drink, old boy.

My analysis would be slightly different wiggi.

In a way it would have been better if Scotland had got independence; they would have been forced to confront the problems of a modern state. In the end they would have ended up having to do all the things that they have pilloried  Westminster for doing.

But they would have probably trashed their economy during the 'learning curve'.

[Gonnagle]

Dear Lapsed,

Learning curve, we have done that, for decades we have watched what not to do.

I am not for Independence but the question for me was never about could we but should we.

Scotland is a small nation but with great potential, forget oil, Scotland on its own with tourism, whisky, forestry and not forgeting the most innovative minds this world has ever seen, I have no doubt Scotland would flourish.

We are better together once we get rid of old thinking especially from that anti Christian, anti British party we have in power at the moment.

BTW are you enjoying the Calais scandal, millions of pounds to keep the swarm out.

Gonnagle.

[L.A.]

Scotland is a small nation but with great potential, forget oil, Scotland on its own with tourism, whisky, forestry and not forgeting the most innovative minds this world has ever seen, I have no doubt Scotland would flourish.

I agree with all that Gonnagle, (though personally, I wouldn't forget the oil) but at the moment Scots can blame all their ills on the Westminster government - If a Scottish government had total economic freedom they would be faced with a dilemma: back-track and keep doing pretty much what they doing now or wreck their economy.

[L.A.]

BTW are you enjoying the Calais scandal, millions of pounds to keep the swarm out.

Not sure what your point is on this complex issue. Clearly the UK is a desirable destination for migrants. Clearly it would be less desirable if there were less jobs, but I don't think many people would consider that a good solution.

[Gonnagle]

Dear Lapsed,

The point being is that this country can take more migrants, the point being that we are ill equipped to handle more migrants because of Tory failures.

I also find it hard to get my head around that the kings of austerity can find man power and money to throw at this problem.

Oh and sorry, forgetting my manners, good morning old son

Gonnagle.

[L.A.]

Dear Lapsed,

The point being is that this country can take more migrants, the point being that we are ill equipped to handle more migrants because of Tory failures.

I also find it hard to get my head around that the kings of austerity can find man power and money to throw at this problem.

Oh and sorry, forgetting my manners, good morning old son

Gonnagle.

Good morning Gonnagle,

I think there are several aspects to this problem and just opening the doors to all and sundry would not be a good solution. A large proportion are economic migrants and if it were possible, a large proportion of the Third World would like to jump on that banfwaggon.

[Gonnagle]

Dear Lapsed,

Oh don't get me wrong, I am not advocating a open door policy, but because of Tory and Labour failures we must be seen to redress those failures.

All I can see is, we are reaping what we have sown, I don't see any government official actually talking to the migrants directly, I don't see any government help in easing the plight of what we are whimsically calling the jungle.

I do know that this is not just a British problem, it must be the whole EU working together, trouble is Cameron running around trying to fix problems that he was warned about years ago.

Gonnagle.

[L.A.]

Gonnagle, most of these people have endured terrible suffering to escape war-zones and persecution to find a 'safe haven' - up to that point I can have tremendous sympathy for them.

However, having finally safely landed in Europe do they seek asylum in the 'first safe country' they come to - as the Geneva convention states? No, they obviously think that they can get a better deal by travelling illegally to the UK - and at that point my sympathy wears rather thin.

[Gonnagle]

Dear Lapsed,

Fair enough, I am under contract not to judge and I did come through the last election with some sympathy for the millions who voted for UKIP, something pushed them to that decision.

But I don't see any empathy, compassion directed towards those living in appalling conditions in what we call the jungle, we don't have to shout come and join us but surely us and the rest of the EU can do something to say we understand.

Just a thought, why not unleash those pesky Bible thumpers on them, I am sure the CoE and the CoS would love to get their hands on them, hell! the Sally Ann would sort them out in a jiff, it's what they do.

Gonnagle.

[L.A.]

I agree that it's a problem that really needs an EU joint approach - but if Cameron is seen to 'cave in' to EU demands to take migrants - the 'Xenophobic Tendency' would have a field-day and a referendum OUT vote would be the likely outcome.

[BashfulAnthony]

Dear Lapsed,

Fair enough, I am under contract not to judge and I did come through the last election with some sympathy for the millions who voted for UKIP, something pushed them to that decision.

But I don't see any empathy, compassion directed towards those living in appalling conditions in what we call the jungle, we don't have to shout come and join us but surely us and the rest of the EU can do something to say we understand.

Just a thought, why not unleash those pesky Bible thumpers on them, I am sure the CoE and the CoS would love to get their hands on them, hell! the Sally Ann would sort them out in a jiff, it's what they do.

Gonnagle.

Various Faith groups are out there and giving a lot of material help.

[Jack Knave]

This has probably been mentioned on here before but Corbyn is starting to looking like the Left's Farage....?

[Shaker]

This has probably been mentioned on here before but Corbyn is starting to looking like the Left's Farage....?

How so? Farage is a buffoon and a greasy clown with the exact appearance and all the charm, allure and charisma of a late-middle-aged used car dealer from Romford; since the death of Tony Benn and with the decrepitude of Dennis Skinner, Corbyn is one of the few conviction politicians left in Parliament.

[Nearly Sane]

This has probably been mentioned on here before but Corbyn is starting to looking like the Left's Farage....?

What is 'the Left'? You seemed to be arguing at one stage last year that UKIP were about to man the barricades against capitalism?

[Nearly Sane]

This has probably been mentioned on here before but Corbyn is starting to looking like the Left's Farage....?

How so? Farage is a buffoon and a greasy clown with the exact appearance and all the charm, allure and charisma of a late-middle-aged used car dealer from Romford; since the death of Tony Benn and with the decrepitude of Dennis Skinner, Corbyn is one of the few conviction politicians left in Parliament.

Never been entirely convinced by this 'conviction' thing. I think IDS is a conviction politician, indeed I think Blair was as well, even Andy Burnham might be, if the conviction is I will be both for and against something if I am convinced it will help me be leader.

[Jack Knave]

This has probably been mentioned on here before but Corbyn is starting to looking like the Left's Farage....?

How so? Farage is a buffoon and a greasy clown with the exact appearance and all the charm, allure and charisma of a late-middle-aged used car dealer from Romford; since the death of Tony Benn and with the decrepitude of Dennis Skinner, Corbyn is one of the few conviction politicians left in Parliament.

If that is how your mind is coloured then it will be hard for you to see what I'm saying. They both speak from the heart about issues that concern the man and woman in the street and not the crap the Westminster bubble lot do. They are both at street level and are seeing how things really are as oppose the academic dribble our professional politician spout.

I notice you don't challenge and criticise Farage's views just heap abuse on the man.

[Shaker]

I notice you don't challenge and criticise Farage's views just heap abuse on the man.

Yep, that's right. He's not worth anything more. That would be to do him the disservice of taking him seriously as a political figure.

[Jack Knave]

This has probably been mentioned on here before but Corbyn is starting to looking like the Left's Farage....?

What is 'the Left'? You seemed to be arguing at one stage last year that UKIP were about to man the barricades against capitalism?

You know what is Left!

But yes, UKIP isn't really Right but a new kind of middle. Nice to se you are noting my posts 

The real problem for society and the world is neo-Liberalism. It is about an elite who tries to control everything even the economic markets, that is, like Communism. But the whole thing is falling apart and both Right and Left are beginning to see that the whole thing is rotten to the core. It is not capitalism, it is not the free markets as they should be, it is about monopolies. As I said its like Communism.

[Nearly Sane]

This has probably been mentioned on here before but Corbyn is starting to looking like the Left's Farage....?

How so? Farage is a buffoon and a greasy clown with the exact appearance and all the charm, allure and charisma of a late-middle-aged used car dealer from Romford; since the death of Tony Benn and with the decrepitude of Dennis Skinner, Corbyn is one of the few conviction politicians left in Parliament.

If that is how your mind is coloured then it will be hard for you to see what I'm saying. They both speak from the heart about issues that concern the man and woman in the street and not the crap the Westminster bubble lot do. They are both at street level and are seeing how things really are as oppose the academic dribble our professional politician spout.

I notice you don't challenge and criticise Farage's views just heap abuse on the man.

If speaking from the heart means either Nige lying about HIV tourism, or Jezza wiffling about homeopathy, it just shows it is better to speak from the brain

[Jack Knave]

I notice you don't challenge and criticise Farage's views just heap abuse on the man.

Yep, that's right. He's not worth anything more. That would be to do him the disservice of taking him seriously as a political figure.

He's one of only a few that talks any sense. What don't you like about his views?

[Nearly Sane]

This has probably been mentioned on here before but Corbyn is starting to looking like the Left's Farage....?

What is 'the Left'? You seemed to be arguing at one stage last year that UKIP were about to man the barricades against capitalism?

You know what is Left!

But yes, UKIP isn't really Right but a new kind of middle. Nice to se you are noting my posts 

The real problem for society and the world is neo-Liberalism. It is about an elite who tries to control everything even the economic markets, that is, like Communism. But the whole thing is falling apart and both Right and Left are beginning to see that the whole thing is rotten to the core. It is not capitalism, it is not the free markets as they should be, it is about monopolies. As I said its like Communism.

Huge chunks of that I agree with. That UKIP are a new kind of middle, though nope. They are a sort of confused morass of old style protectionists and moralists. (see their inability to deal with same sex marriage)

As to left/right always been a fairly meaningless term but more so now, is Liz Kendall left?

[Jack Knave]

This has probably been mentioned on here before but Corbyn is starting to looking like the Left's Farage....?

How so? Farage is a buffoon and a greasy clown with the exact appearance and all the charm, allure and charisma of a late-middle-aged used car dealer from Romford; since the death of Tony Benn and with the decrepitude of Dennis Skinner, Corbyn is one of the few conviction politicians left in Parliament.

If that is how your mind is coloured then it will be hard for you to see what I'm saying. They both speak from the heart about issues that concern the man and woman in the street and not the crap the Westminster bubble lot do. They are both at street level and are seeing how things really are as oppose the academic dribble our professional politician spout.

I notice you don't challenge and criticise Farage's views just heap abuse on the man.

If speaking from the heart means either Nige lying about HIV tourism, or Jezza wiffling about homeopathy, it just shows it is better to speak from the brain

I said it was about the rotten project of Neo-Liberalism!!!

[Nearly Sane]

I notice you don't challenge and criticise Farage's views just heap abuse on the man.

Yep, that's right. He's not worth anything more. That would be to do him the disservice of taking him seriously as a political figure.

He's one of only a few that talks any sense. What don't you like about his views?

For me that they are both incoherent and unpleasant
 The idea that you fight neo liberalism by effectively becoming a grand financial Cayman Islands which he punts in deregulation of the financial industry and having some form of protectionism is either stupid or lying by trying to be all things to all people.

That there is such a thing as a culture to worry about in the sense of fighting against the participation of others who have differing views is a pander to a rather witless totalitarianism.

[Jack Knave]

This has probably been mentioned on here before but Corbyn is starting to looking like the Left's Farage....?

What is 'the Left'? You seemed to be arguing at one stage last year that UKIP were about to man the barricades against capitalism?

You know what is Left!

But yes, UKIP isn't really Right but a new kind of middle. Nice to se you are noting my posts 

The real problem for society and the world is neo-Liberalism. It is about an elite who tries to control everything even the economic markets, that is, like Communism. But the whole thing is falling apart and both Right and Left are beginning to see that the whole thing is rotten to the core. It is not capitalism, it is not the free markets as they should be, it is about monopolies. As I said its like Communism.

Huge chunks of that I agree with. That UKIP are a new kind of middle, though nope. They are a sort of confused morass of old style protectionists and moralists. (see their inability to deal with same sex marriage)

As to left/right always been a fairly meaningless term but more so now, is Liz Kendall left?

They are not protectionists; the EU is, which is why we have the mess of the migrants coming from Africa.

Kendall is centre right.