Labour leadership race

[Shaker]

I notice you don't challenge and criticise Farage's views just heap abuse on the man.

Yep, that's right. He's not worth anything more. That would be to do him the disservice of taking him seriously as a political figure.

He's one of only a few that talks any sense. What don't you like about his views?

What don't I like about his views apart from the xenophobia, the naked lowest-common-denominator demagoguery, the opposition to equal marriage until it's politically inexpedient to oppose it further, the I'm-going-to-resign-if-we're-slaughtered-in-the-general-election-oh-hang-on-we've-been-slaughtered-in-the-general-election-but-no-I-won't-resign-after-all opportunism, you mean?

[Nearly Sane]

This has probably been mentioned on here before but Corbyn is starting to looking like the Left's Farage....?

How so? Farage is a buffoon and a greasy clown with the exact appearance and all the charm, allure and charisma of a late-middle-aged used car dealer from Romford; since the death of Tony Benn and with the decrepitude of Dennis Skinner, Corbyn is one of the few conviction politicians left in Parliament.

If that is how your mind is coloured then it will be hard for you to see what I'm saying. They both speak from the heart about issues that concern the man and woman in the street and not the crap the Westminster bubble lot do. They are both at street level and are seeing how things really are as oppose the academic dribble our professional politician spout.

I notice you don't challenge and criticise Farage's views just heap abuse on the man.

If speaking from the heart means either Nige lying about HIV tourism, or Jezza wiffling about homeopathy, it just shows it is better to speak from the brain

I said it was about the rotten project of Neo-Liberalism!!!

which justifies lying how?

[Nearly Sane]

This has probably been mentioned on here before but Corbyn is starting to looking like the Left's Farage....?

What is 'the Left'? You seemed to be arguing at one stage last year that UKIP were about to man the barricades against capitalism?

You know what is Left!

But yes, UKIP isn't really Right but a new kind of middle. Nice to se you are noting my posts 

The real problem for society and the world is neo-Liberalism. It is about an elite who tries to control everything even the economic markets, that is, like Communism. But the whole thing is falling apart and both Right and Left are beginning to see that the whole thing is rotten to the core. It is not capitalism, it is not the free markets as they should be, it is about monopolies. As I said its like Communism.

Huge chunks of that I agree with. That UKIP are a new kind of middle, though nope. They are a sort of confused morass of old style protectionists and moralists. (see their inability to deal with same sex marriage)

As to left/right always been a fairly meaningless term but more so now, is Liz Kendall left?

They are not protectionists; the EU is, which is why we have the mess of the migrants coming from Africa.

Kendall is centre right.

They are protectionist in wanting to control the actions of employers.

[Jack Knave]

I notice you don't challenge and criticise Farage's views just heap abuse on the man.

Yep, that's right. He's not worth anything more. That would be to do him the disservice of taking him seriously as a political figure.

He's one of only a few that talks any sense. What don't you like about his views?

For me that they are both incoherent and unpleasant
 The idea that you fight neo liberalism by effectively becoming a grand financial Cayman Islands which he punts in deregulation of the financial industry and having some form of protectionism is either stupid or lying by trying to be all things to all people.

That there is such a thing as a culture to worry about in the sense of fighting against the participation of others who have differing views is a pander to a rather witless totalitarianism.

The first bit : where has he said that?

And your other bit doesn't really make any sense. It's about governing our own boarders and not by some elite group who want to turn everybody into serfs by "Ever closer Union." - like Soviet Russia.

[Nearly Sane]

Being non protectionist would make UKIP neo liberal, except of  course that term is virtually meaningless but TTIP is a neo liberal project, and is also effectively what a non protectionist view would be.

[Jack Knave]

I notice you don't challenge and criticise Farage's views just heap abuse on the man.

Yep, that's right. He's not worth anything more. That would be to do him the disservice of taking him seriously as a political figure.

He's one of only a few that talks any sense. What don't you like about his views?

What don't I like about his views apart from the xenophobia, the naked lowest-common-denominator demagoguery, the opposition to equal marriage until it's politically inexpedient to oppose it further, the I'm-going-to-resign-if-we're-slaughtered-in-the-general-election-oh-hang-on-we've-been-slaughtered-in-the-general-election-but-no-I-won't-resign-after-all opportunism, you mean?

Shaker, you are amusing!!!

Besides just coming out with terminology and verbiage that says and means nothing, you pick on the issues which are either minor; or by-the-way, or just the product of the gutter press and media.

Give me some intelligent comments and angles about some real important issues.

[Jack Knave]

This has probably been mentioned on here before but Corbyn is starting to looking like the Left's Farage....?

How so? Farage is a buffoon and a greasy clown with the exact appearance and all the charm, allure and charisma of a late-middle-aged used car dealer from Romford; since the death of Tony Benn and with the decrepitude of Dennis Skinner, Corbyn is one of the few conviction politicians left in Parliament.

If that is how your mind is coloured then it will be hard for you to see what I'm saying. They both speak from the heart about issues that concern the man and woman in the street and not the crap the Westminster bubble lot do. They are both at street level and are seeing how things really are as oppose the academic dribble our professional politician spout.

I notice you don't challenge and criticise Farage's views just heap abuse on the man.

If speaking from the heart means either Nige lying about HIV tourism, or Jezza wiffling about homeopathy, it just shows it is better to speak from the brain

I said it was about the rotten project of Neo-Liberalism!!!

which justifies lying how?

Or he didn't lie you just misunderstood what he was saying. Foreigners come here and use our NHS for free and then get the drugs they need for free, including the ones for HIV which are one of the most expensive. And they have never contributed to the system. Why should w put up with this?

[Jack Knave]

This has probably been mentioned on here before but Corbyn is starting to looking like the Left's Farage....?

What is 'the Left'? You seemed to be arguing at one stage last year that UKIP were about to man the barricades against capitalism?

You know what is Left!

But yes, UKIP isn't really Right but a new kind of middle. Nice to se you are noting my posts 

The real problem for society and the world is neo-Liberalism. It is about an elite who tries to control everything even the economic markets, that is, like Communism. But the whole thing is falling apart and both Right and Left are beginning to see that the whole thing is rotten to the core. It is not capitalism, it is not the free markets as they should be, it is about monopolies. As I said its like Communism.

Huge chunks of that I agree with. That UKIP are a new kind of middle, though nope. They are a sort of confused morass of old style protectionists and moralists. (see their inability to deal with same sex marriage)

As to left/right always been a fairly meaningless term but more so now, is Liz Kendall left?

They are not protectionists; the EU is, which is why we have the mess of the migrants coming from Africa.

Kendall is centre right.

They are protectionist in wanting to control the actions of employers.

No they are not. What do you think TTIP is all about? What do you think goes on in Brussels with the 3000 odd lobbyists. What do you think the onslaught on Greece is all about, no workers protection there; not even a country's protection as Brussels strips its assets for the wealthy elites. Do your homework, Nearly!!!

[Jack Knave]

Being non protectionist would make UKIP neo liberal, except of  course that term is virtually meaningless but TTIP is a neo liberal project, and is also effectively what a non protectionist view would be.

You're moving about, applying it differently, what you mean by protectionist. We are all protectionists in some manner or other. Clarify what you are trying to say.

[Nearly Sane]

Being non protectionist would make UKIP neo liberal, except of  course that term is virtually meaningless but TTIP is a neo liberal project, and is also effectively what a non protectionist view would be.

You're moving about, applying it differently, what you mean by protectionist. We are all protectionists in some manner or other. Clarify what you are trying to say.

Ok, I'll pull together a proper detailed post on this when I have time rather than just doing a couple of lines that are easily misconstrued - not sure when I'll get round to it but just to flag that it might be a little time.