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« Reply #25 on: July 23, 2015, 09:35:20 AM »
With personal debt at the level it is - £1 trillion - are the government, banks and big business the only ones responsible for the situation we find ourselves in?

Nothing to do with those individuals who chose to take on all this record debt?

A friend of my daughter did some volunteering at a local food bank and couldn't help but notice that none of the clients seemed to be lacking expensive smartphones.

That annoys me, if they can afford such luxuries then they should be able to afford food.  ::)

This has already been discussed at length above floo.

I assume by "luxury" you mean "anything other than a crust of bread and a shirt on their back"

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« Reply #26 on: July 23, 2015, 09:36:18 AM »
That annoys me, if they can afford such luxuries then they should be able to afford food.  ::)

This has already been discussed at length above floo.

I assume by "luxury" you mean "anything other than a crust of bread and a shirt on their back"

A shirt! A shirt! Luxury - we used to dream of a shirt!
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« Reply #27 on: July 23, 2015, 09:40:07 AM »
But the food banks are simply a response to government policy but a necessary part of their implementation. Remember that access to the food banks usually requires the person to have their needs assessed and to receive a voucher that is used in the food bank. The assessment and issue of the vouchers is done through various governmental organisations. Food banks that give food only in exchange for these vouchers are an integral part of that government policy.

I still don't get what sort of approach can be taken that preserves the moral purity of having nothing to do with govt policy, and therefore uses the suffering of people as a reproach, without then effectively being part of the cause of that suffering as well.

Are you really taking a position that it would be better for Trussell Trust to stop trying to help people in the short term because in the long term any suffering is offset by the collapse of the govt policy?

I'm with NS on this, Prof. The idea that you should stand by and let people suffer just in order to encourage their tormentors to reflect on their responsibilities is middle class pomposity at its worst.
No you can stand up against government policies. Or at least you can not be a willing part of that policy. For a fund bank to run on the basis of accepting government-derived vouchers means it has signed up, hook, line and sinker to that government policy.

Give that 5 years or so ago food banks didn't really exist had there been a strong kick back by potential provider to say 'nope, we are not going along with this policy' I think government would have had to think again. But as it was it was easy to 'privatise' welfare because there were willing providers ready to set up food banks to cover the gap created by welfare changes. Don't forget that 5 years ago these people weren't starving - they were poor but had sufficient money to buy their own food in real shops.

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« Reply #28 on: July 23, 2015, 09:40:29 AM »
That annoys me, if they can afford such luxuries then they should be able to afford food.  ::)

This has already been discussed at length above floo.

I assume by "luxury" you mean "anything other than a crust of bread and a shirt on their back"

A shirt! A shirt! Luxury - we used to dream of a shirt!

Only a sackcloth one, complete with ashes.

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« Reply #29 on: July 23, 2015, 09:43:30 AM »

No you can stand up against government policies. Or at least you can not be a willing part of that policy. For a fund bank to run on the basis of accepting government-derived vouchers means it has signed up, hook, line and sinker to that government policy.

Give that 5 years or so ago food banks didn't really exist had there been a strong kick back by potential provider to say 'nope, we are not going along with this policy' I think government would have had to think again. But as it was it was easy to 'privatise' welfare because there were willing providers ready to set up food banks to cover the gap created by welfare changes. Don't forget that 5 years ago these people weren't starving - they were poor but had sufficient money to buy their own food in real shops.

If you are not willing to help when people are suffering because of your moral purity, you are part of the cause of the suffering.

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« Reply #30 on: July 23, 2015, 09:45:48 AM »
Only a sackcloth one, complete with ashes.
A mobile phone! We used to have to communicate with two cans tied together with string, except we only had one can which we lived in and no string.

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« Reply #31 on: July 23, 2015, 09:47:45 AM »
But the food banks are simply a response to government policy but a necessary part of their implementation. Remember that access to the food banks usually requires the person to have their needs assessed and to receive a voucher that is used in the food bank. The assessment and issue of the vouchers is done through various governmental organisations. Food banks that give food only in exchange for these vouchers are an integral part of that government policy.

I still don't get what sort of approach can be taken that preserves the moral purity of having nothing to do with govt policy, and therefore uses the suffering of people as a reproach, without then effectively being part of the cause of that suffering as well.

Are you really taking a position that it would be better for Trussell Trust to stop trying to help people in the short term because in the long term any suffering is offset by the collapse of the govt policy?

I'm with NS on this, Prof. The idea that you should stand by and let people suffer just in order to encourage their tormentors to reflect on their responsibilities is middle class pomposity at its worst.
No you can stand up against government policies. Or at least you can not be a willing part of that policy. For a fund bank to run on the basis of accepting government-derived vouchers means it has signed up, hook, line and sinker to that government policy.

Give that 5 years or so ago food banks didn't really exist had there been a strong kick back by potential provider to say 'nope, we are not going along with this policy' I think government would have had to think again. But as it was it was easy to 'privatise' welfare because there were willing providers ready to set up food banks to cover the gap created by welfare changes. Don't forget that 5 years ago these people weren't starving - they were poor but had sufficient money to buy their own food in real shops.

Yes yes but what do you do about the people who are struggling to feed their kids now? I realise middle class families can afford to wait until the election, or until the tide turns, or until a rousing editorial appears in the Guardian; and I realise many middle class people like their charitable activities to "raise awareness" (rather than actually "do stuff") - but there are people who are hungry today. And I can afford to stick a few extra bags of pasta and tins of soup in my trolley today. And the Trussell Trust are ready to take those tins off me today. What should I do today? "It's alright pet, I'm standing up to Cameron's policies, so Jimmy will stop feeling hungry in a minute". Pathetic.

If a baby was left on a doorstep, would you say "no, don't feed it - that's what they want you to do! You are actively supporting a baby-abandoning policy if you help the baby!"?

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« Reply #32 on: July 23, 2015, 09:49:19 AM »
Only a sackcloth one, complete with ashes.
A mobile phone! We used to have to communicate with two cans tied together with string, except we only had one can which we lived in a...

String!! When I was young we didn't even have that.  We had to use the cord out of our pyjamas, and we only had one pair of those between us.
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« Reply #33 on: July 23, 2015, 09:50:05 AM »

No you can stand up against government policies. Or at least you can not be a willing part of that policy. For a fund bank to run on the basis of accepting government-derived vouchers means it has signed up, hook, line and sinker to that government policy.

Give that 5 years or so ago food banks didn't really exist had there been a strong kick back by potential provider to say 'nope, we are not going along with this policy' I think government would have had to think again. But as it was it was easy to 'privatise' welfare because there were willing providers ready to set up food banks to cover the gap created by welfare changes. Don't forget that 5 years ago these people weren't starving - they were poor but had sufficient money to buy their own food in real shops.

If you are not willing to help when people are suffering because of your moral purity, you are part of the cause of the suffering.
Sometimes you have to recognise that if you say 'no I won't be part of this' you can change the course of the future so that far fewer people suffer.

The statistics on food banks are appalling - so in 2009-10 (remember this was at the deepest point of the recession) just 41,000 people received food via food banks. This was before the effective privatisation of the welfare responsibilities by the coalition. Since then, despite a slow, but clear recovery in the economic position of the UK, including falling unemployment, there has been a 19% year on year increase in their use, so that over 1 million people are now relying on them.

Are you really suggesting that the increase isn't fundamentally due to government policy and the provision has arisen to support that policy. Without the presence of the food banks there is no doubt in my mind that the government would have been forced to think again about its policy.

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« Reply #34 on: July 23, 2015, 09:50:29 AM »
Only a sackcloth one, complete with ashes.
A mobile phone! We used to have to communicate with two cans tied together with string, except we only had one can which we lived in and no string.

A can? Would have been a palace to us! We lived wrapped up in that piece of string you lost.

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« Reply #35 on: July 23, 2015, 09:58:55 AM »
But the food banks are simply a response to government policy but a necessary part of their implementation. Remember that access to the food banks usually requires the person to have their needs assessed and to receive a voucher that is used in the food bank. The assessment and issue of the vouchers is done through various governmental organisations. Food banks that give food only in exchange for these vouchers are an integral part of that government policy.

I still don't get what sort of approach can be taken that preserves the moral purity of having nothing to do with govt policy, and therefore uses the suffering of people as a reproach, without then effectively being part of the cause of that suffering as well.

Are you really taking a position that it would be better for Trussell Trust to stop trying to help people in the short term because in the long term any suffering is offset by the collapse of the govt policy?

I'm with NS on this, Prof. The idea that you should stand by and let people suffer just in order to encourage their tormentors to reflect on their responsibilities is middle class pomposity at its worst.
No you can stand up against government policies. Or at least you can not be a willing part of that policy. For a fund bank to run on the basis of accepting government-derived vouchers means it has signed up, hook, line and sinker to that government policy.

Give that 5 years or so ago food banks didn't really exist had there been a strong kick back by potential provider to say 'nope, we are not going along with this policy' I think government would have had to think again. But as it was it was easy to 'privatise' welfare because there were willing providers ready to set up food banks to cover the gap created by welfare changes. Don't forget that 5 years ago these people weren't starving - they were poor but had sufficient money to buy their own food in real shops.

Yes yes but what do you do about the people who are struggling to feed their kids now? I realise middle class families can afford to wait until the election, or until the tide turns, or until a rousing editorial appears in the Guardian; and I realise many middle class people like their charitable activities to "raise awareness" (rather than actually "do stuff") - but there are people who are hungry today. And I can afford to stick a few extra bags of pasta and tins of soup in my trolley today. And the Trussell Trust are ready to take those tins off me today. What should I do today? "It's alright pet, I'm standing up to Cameron's policies, so Jimmy will stop feeling hungry in a minute". Pathetic.

If a baby was left on a doorstep, would you say "no, don't feed it - that's what they want you to do! You are actively supporting a baby-abandoning policy if you help the baby!"?
And by that attitude you effectively create more and more babies on the doorstep and more and more Jimmys and that is exactly what we are seeing. It is a downward spiral until someone stands up and says to government "enough, we won't do your bidding, we won't take on your responsibility". But sadly the food bank providers haven't done this and really do seem to be willing participants in the government's project.

So just out of interest on the Trussell Trust state the following as reasons for using their banks:

'Redundancy, illness, benefit delay, domestic violence, debt, family breakdown and paying for the additional costs of heating during winter are just some of the reasons why people go hungry.'

So which of these are so much worse now (and why) than they were 5-6 years ago, effectively to explain a rise in use from 41 thousand to over 1 million. And note that only mention benefit delay, not changes to welfare and benefit payments.

Remember the road to hell is paved with good intentions.

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« Reply #36 on: July 23, 2015, 09:59:22 AM »

No you can stand up against government policies. Or at least you can not be a willing part of that policy. For a fund bank to run on the basis of accepting government-derived vouchers means it has signed up, hook, line and sinker to that government policy.

Give that 5 years or so ago food banks didn't really exist had there been a strong kick back by potential provider to say 'nope, we are not going along with this policy' I think government would have had to think again. But as it was it was easy to 'privatise' welfare because there were willing providers ready to set up food banks to cover the gap created by welfare changes. Don't forget that 5 years ago these people weren't starving - they were poor but had sufficient money to buy their own food in real shops.

If you are not willing to help when people are suffering because of your moral purity, you are part of the cause of the suffering.
Sometimes you have to recognise that if you say 'no I won't be part of this' you can change the course of the future so that far fewer people suffer.

The statistics on food banks are appalling - so in 2009-10 (remember this was at the deepest point of the recession) just 41,000 people received food via food banks. This was before the effective privatisation of the welfare responsibilities by the coalition. Since then, despite a slow, but clear recovery in the economic position of the UK, including falling unemployment, there has been a 19% year on year increase in their use, so that over 1 million people are now relying on them.

Are you really suggesting that the increase isn't fundamentally due to government policy and the provision has arisen to support that policy. Without the presence of the food banks there is no doubt in my mind that the government would have been forced to think again about its policy.

We know that government policy is responsible, but we don't know by how much. Food banks were not well known until recently - Job Centres didn't publicise them until 2011 but that doesn't mean people didn't need them before that. The increased number means they are more accessible to more people and good publicity means some of the stigma has gone. I read somewhere that actual efficiency in getting payments out was worse under Labour, suggesting that people had food emergencies then too, but had nowhere to go.

Whether or not the existence of food banks makes it easy for the government to implement its policies, the fact is they are needed. People need food and we cannot expect them to suffer in the hope - and it would only be a hope - of getting a change in policy. If anything the existence of food banks raises the plight of those unable to feed themselves into the public conscience. I think without them the issue would be swept under the carpet and nothing would change at all.

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« Reply #38 on: July 23, 2015, 10:06:07 AM »

If you are not willing to help when people are suffering because of your moral purity, you are part of the cause of the suffering.
Sometimes you have to recognise that if you say 'no I won't be part of this' you can change the course of the future so that far fewer people suffer.

The statistics on food banks are appalling - so in 2009-10 (remember this was at the deepest point of the recession) just 41,000 people received food via food banks. This was before the effective privatisation of the welfare responsibilities by the coalition. Since then, despite a slow, but clear recovery in the economic position of the UK, including falling unemployment, there has been a 19% year on year increase in their use, so that over 1 million people are now relying on them.

Are you really suggesting that the increase isn't fundamentally due to government policy and the provision has arisen to support that policy. Without the presence of the food banks there is no doubt in my mind that the government would have been forced to think again about its policy.

I don't really care about the cause in the immediate focus of someone not having enough money to buy food. I care about helping them eat rather than sacrifice them to my morality to make me feel better. By this logic we should stop all charity because it just creates more starving mouths to feed. I picture them with their faces pressed up against the windows  of the shop where you are buying your kid's shoes while patting yourself on the back for having nothing to do with a system where they starve.

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« Reply #39 on: July 23, 2015, 10:09:01 AM »
But the food banks are simply a response to government policy but a necessary part of their implementation. Remember that access to the food banks usually requires the person to have their needs assessed and to receive a voucher that is used in the food bank. The assessment and issue of the vouchers is done through various governmental organisations. Food banks that give food only in exchange for these vouchers are an integral part of that government policy.

I still don't get what sort of approach can be taken that preserves the moral purity of having nothing to do with govt policy, and therefore uses the suffering of people as a reproach, without then effectively being part of the cause of that suffering as well.

Are you really taking a position that it would be better for Trussell Trust to stop trying to help people in the short term because in the long term any suffering is offset by the collapse of the govt policy?

I'm with NS on this, Prof. The idea that you should stand by and let people suffer just in order to encourage their tormentors to reflect on their responsibilities is middle class pomposity at its worst.
No you can stand up against government policies. Or at least you can not be a willing part of that policy. For a fund bank to run on the basis of accepting government-derived vouchers means it has signed up, hook, line and sinker to that government policy.

Give that 5 years or so ago food banks didn't really exist had there been a strong kick back by potential provider to say 'nope, we are not going along with this policy' I think government would have had to think again. But as it was it was easy to 'privatise' welfare because there were willing providers ready to set up food banks to cover the gap created by welfare changes. Don't forget that 5 years ago these people weren't starving - they were poor but had sufficient money to buy their own food in real shops.

Yes yes but what do you do about the people who are struggling to feed their kids now? I realise middle class families can afford to wait until the election, or until the tide turns, or until a rousing editorial appears in the Guardian; and I realise many middle class people like their charitable activities to "raise awareness" (rather than actually "do stuff") - but there are people who are hungry today. And I can afford to stick a few extra bags of pasta and tins of soup in my trolley today. And the Trussell Trust are ready to take those tins off me today. What should I do today? "It's alright pet, I'm standing up to Cameron's policies, so Jimmy will stop feeling hungry in a minute". Pathetic.

If a baby was left on a doorstep, would you say "no, don't feed it - that's what they want you to do! You are actively supporting a baby-abandoning policy if you help the baby!"?
And by that attitude you effectively create more and more babies on the doorstep and more and more Jimmys and that is exactly what we are seeing. It is a downward spiral until someone stands up and says to government "enough, we won't do your bidding, we won't take on your responsibility". But sadly the food bank providers haven't done this and really do seem to be willing participants in the government's project.

So just out of interest on the Trussell Trust state the following as reasons for using their banks:

'Redundancy, illness, benefit delay, domestic violence, debt, family breakdown and paying for the additional costs of heating during winter are just some of the reasons why people go hungry.'

So which of these are so much worse now (and why) than they were 5-6 years ago, effectively to explain a rise in use from 41 thousand to over 1 million. And note that only mention benefit delay, not changes to welfare and benefit payments.

Remember the road to hell is paved with good intentions.

Yes, yes, yes but what do we actually do  now, today? As well as this nebulous and insubstantial "standing up against" policies, what do we actually do? You repeatedly dodge the question (and I can see why!) - what would you actually do? Would you clothe the analogy baby? Will you hand a starving mother a tin of soup? What do you propose we should actually DO today?  (And although "oppose" is a verb, is isn't actually an action, is it? I am talking about actual practical actions to help people with today's hunger - which we can do at the same time as opposing things in order to prevent hypothetical future hunger as well). What should I do today?

I cannot stand the pompous self-congratulatory way that people think that the best way to help the hungry is to let them starve, and then have the nerve to tell me about the road to hell being paved with good intentions!!

Despicable.

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« Reply #40 on: July 23, 2015, 10:14:24 AM »

If you are not willing to help when people are suffering because of your moral purity, you are part of the cause of the suffering.
Sometimes you have to recognise that if you say 'no I won't be part of this' you can change the course of the future so that far fewer people suffer.

The statistics on food banks are appalling - so in 2009-10 (remember this was at the deepest point of the recession) just 41,000 people received food via food banks. This was before the effective privatisation of the welfare responsibilities by the coalition. Since then, despite a slow, but clear recovery in the economic position of the UK, including falling unemployment, there has been a 19% year on year increase in their use, so that over 1 million people are now relying on them.

Are you really suggesting that the increase isn't fundamentally due to government policy and the provision has arisen to support that policy. Without the presence of the food banks there is no doubt in my mind that the government would have been forced to think again about its policy.

I don't really care about the cause in the immediate focus of someone not having enough money to buy food. I care about helping them eat rather than sacrifice them to my morality to make me feel better. By this logic we should stop all charity because it just creates more starving mouths to feed. I picture them with their faces pressed up against the windows  of the shop where you are buying your kid's shoes while patting yourself on the back for having nothing to do with a system where they starve.

Yes, you could argue the same for any homeless charity, medical fundraising (no more neonatal incubator appeals, Blue Peter), hospices - don't fund any of them, its the job of government.

It reminds me somewhat of the fact that vastly more people signed the Change petition for Katie Hopkins to be sacked for her comments about immigrants in the Med than signed the petition asking for action to save their lives.


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« Reply #41 on: July 23, 2015, 10:21:51 AM »
Yes, you could argue the same for any homeless charity, medical fundraising (no more neonatal incubator appeals, Blue Peter), hospices - don't fund any of them, its the job of government.

It reminds me somewhat of the fact that vastly more people signed the Change petition for Katie Hopkins to be sacked for her comments about immigrants in the Med than signed the petition asking for action to save their lives.

Which is the great thing about such as Hopkins - she's a lightning rod for 'action'. We get to disappove of things and feel that we are doing something. To be fair I tend to think that of petitions as well, I sign them but I think if you do, you need to ask what can I actually do about this, not bask in the warmth of having signed a petition.


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« Reply #42 on: July 23, 2015, 10:25:49 AM »
Dear Me,

Just a quick note, if you do know of anyone who has been sanctioned, tell them that their first port of call should be Citizens Advice, they will get the ball rolling much faster than you going it alone, the department who deals with sanctions will drag their feet unless you make a fuss, Citizens Advice know exactly how the system works and how to speed up your appeal, also if the job centre has not advised you on emergency payments make sure to tell Citizens Advice.

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« Reply #43 on: July 23, 2015, 10:34:52 AM »
Yes, you could argue the same for any homeless charity, medical fundraising (no more neonatal incubator appeals, Blue Peter), hospices - don't fund any of them, its the job of government.

It reminds me somewhat of the fact that vastly more people signed the Change petition for Katie Hopkins to be sacked for her comments about immigrants in the Med than signed the petition asking for action to save their lives.

Which is the great thing about such as Hopkins - she's a lightning rod for 'action'. We get to disappove of things and feel that we are doing something. To be fair I tend to think that of petitions as well, I sign them but I think if you do, you need to ask what can I actually do about this, not bask in the warmth of having signed a petition.

I couldn't agree more. Sometimes joining our voice to a protest really is all we can do, but not always.

In a way this is also reminding me of the video I posted a link to around the time of the election of the bloke from the Green Party enjoying an anti-Israel rant at some right-on rally or other. No doubt all there felt the warm glowiness that being right-on brings, but what an ineffective waste of time and energy.

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« Reply #44 on: July 23, 2015, 10:35:33 AM »
Dear Me,

Just a quick note, if you do know of anyone who has been sanctioned, tell them that their first port of call should be Citizens Advice, they will get the ball rolling much faster than you going it alone, the department who deals with sanctions will drag their feet unless you make a fuss, Citizens Advice know exactly how the system works and how to speed up your appeal, also if the job centre has not advised you on emergency payments make sure to tell Citizens Advice.

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Great idea, Gonners.
Unless you live in a rural area and your nearest CAB is fifteen miles away, you can't afford the bus fare 'cos that nice Mr Cameron has sanctioned you for being ten minutes late for an appointment - and, believe me, I know people less than a stone's throw from my gaffe who are in that predicament.
They will win their appeal, of course, and the cash will be restored.
Even with the job centre bods trying their hardest, though, that takes four-six weeks....four -six weeks in which they have literally no money whatsoever.
That means no money to buy cards for the electric or gas meters.
So they are in an unlit, unheatedhouse with no cash.
Thank heaven it's summer, and not winter.
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« Reply #45 on: July 23, 2015, 10:37:32 AM »
The CAB will do home visits, telephone consultations or web chat.

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« Reply #46 on: July 23, 2015, 10:39:56 AM »
Dear Me,

Just a quick note, if you do know of anyone who has been sanctioned, tell them that their first port of call should be Citizens Advice, they will get the ball rolling much faster than you going it alone, the department who deals with sanctions will drag their feet unless you make a fuss, Citizens Advice know exactly how the system works and how to speed up your appeal, also if the job centre has not advised you on emergency payments make sure to tell Citizens Advice.

Gonnagle.

They're  just pawns of the evil Tories, supporting the system and pandering to the man. If they stopped doing this, more people could starve so that we bring about the downfall of the capitalist hierarchy and welcome the vanguard of the proletariat sweeping the bourgeoisie to annihilation

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« Reply #47 on: July 23, 2015, 10:45:41 AM »
The CAB will do home visits, telephone consultations or web chat.


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Agreed, Rhi;
However, given the massive pressure under which they work, with some housing schemes succh as Onthank in Kilmarnock in virtual meltdown (the Beeb had a controversial fly-on-the-wall doc entitled "the Scheme" based there a while back), not to mention agricultural crises (three suicides amongst farmers in Ayrshire in 2015, and rising), plus the rural nature of the area and the post-mining depression which is Thatcher's gift to the area, the CAB is literally snowed under with requests.
It can take a fortnight or three weeks for such a visit to be arranged., and families with young children are, of necessity, first in the queue.
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« Reply #48 on: July 23, 2015, 10:50:49 AM »
Dear Sane,

Calm down old friend ::)

Dear Rhiannon and Jim,

Haud the bus!! Do you or any other poster know if CAB attend at food banks, just a idea, if you can't attend a CAB office they could attend where they might be needed.

Gonnagle.
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Go on make a difference, have a rummage in your attic or garage.

Rhiannon

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Re: Govt minister celebrates opening foodbank
« Reply #49 on: July 23, 2015, 10:55:44 AM »
Neither the present government nor the last seem to give a shit about rural areas. Labour's 'management' of foot and mouth was an abomination but I don't think for a moment it would've better managed now. Neither of the main parties seem to have the first idea about rural life, its isolation and its hardships. I live in a relatively affluent county but even here the vast majority of the county council funding is targeted towards the towns - the few facilities (youth centres, adult education, outward bound centre) that existed here have all been closed and the buildings sold off to the highest bidders.

Most people can afford the bus fare if I'm honest, only there are no buses to catch.