Satan statue

[BashfulAnthony]

Well God IS, of course.
I'm NOT an atheist but there's really NO way to prove a God.
Personally I don't care what others think. as said in the other thread.

What matters is your ACTIONS NOT gobbing off all the time & arguing over non-provable things ?!!??!

Are you watching, Shaker, and the rest of you atheists?

[Owlswing]

What precisely do you mean by "deity?"

One or more of the Gods and Goddesses that make up my personal pantheon of deities.

Help me here.  Do you see these gods as "beings," or spirits, or what?

No, they are entities, like yours, there, but invisible most of the time - usually until you call upon them. Rather like yours.

So, correct me if I'm wrong:  your "entity" could be the self-same as mine, just perceived in a slightly different manner?

Get this once and for all BA - my deities are NOTHING like yours.

Aye, some are not the most friendly at times but they say what they mean, they mean what they say, they do not wrap it up in a load of shit so that they need a bunch of know-it-all priests to "interpret" their words.

If you fuck up your punishment will fit the crime (karma and the "three-fold law) not OTT eternal damnation in the Fires of Hell just for saying "I do not believe in you" and "I do not need you to "save" me".

Probably because they are all in your mind.  What evidence do you have for "their" existence?

As I have said to Floo elsewhere.

Drop the evidence shit OK.

You cannot "prove" the existence of your deity any more than I can "prove" the existence of mine.

Why?

If you weren't so stuck in trying to "dis" my beliefs to the aggrandisement of your own you would be able to see it - either that or you are just too stupid to see it.

You cannot, I cannot, no-one can, "prove" the existence of something that is a belief, a matter of faith.

Now do me a favour either knock of the faux-stupid questions that, presumably, make you think that you are cleverer than I or just shut up.

Tetchy old guy, aren't you!

 So, you are just saying, you made these deities up and expect people to accept that as real?

"...make you think that you are cleverer than I."   That is self-evident, old son!!   

 

Google Cernnunos and Cerridwen, and Hecate, and Isis, Astarte, Bast, Horus, - just few "made up" deities for you. Deities that pre-date your deitiy by thousands of years!

Cleverer than you? I would only need an IQ in double figures to achieve that, but if you are happy in your delusional world whpo amI to complain.

[BashfulAnthony]

 

Google Cernnunos and Cerridwen, and Hecate, and Isis, Astarte, Bast, Horus, - just few "made up" deities for you. Deities that pre-date your deitiy by thousands of years!

Cleverer than you? I would only need an IQ in double figures to achieve that, but if you are happy in your delusional world whpo amI to complain.

That's ironic, coming from a guy with an IQ smaller than his shoe size.   

Is "whpo amI' another of your gods?   

[jeremyp]

It is, just about every day.  The difference is, there is not one tiny scrap of evidence to support CMG KCMG GCMG's  claims.  He can't even put forward any clue as to their existence or "form."   It's all in the mind, I'm afraid.

Good point whereas for Christianity the evidence in favour doesn't consist of even a tiny scrap.  It's totally different.

[BashfulAnthony]

It is, just about every day.  The difference is, there is not one tiny scrap of evidence to support CMG KCMG GCMG's  claims.  He can't even put forward any clue as to their existence or "form."   It's all in the mind, I'm afraid.

Good point whereas for Christianity the evidence in favour doesn't consist of even a tiny scrap.  It's totally different.

I thought you knew a little about Christianity?

[trippymonkey]

Isn't that ALL you need to be a Christian ?

[BashfulAnthony]

Isn't that ALL you need to be a Christian ?

Atheists seem to think so, but hey, they know nothing.   

[jeremyp]

I thought you knew a little about Christianity?

I know quite a lot about it.  Why do you ask?

[Sassy]

Your post as usual has absolutely nothing to do with intelligence - the word is Wicca, not wicker 

I know... It was simply a gliche

The word is cliché.

I know my spell checker told me.... but loved giving you the needle.

But what is your excuse... Why reply to a spelling mistake and not the contents.

The contents are an incoherent word salad.

You would have took great joy in stating that had it been true in the first reply.
You are slipping and others of us are just laughing....

My excuse is exhaustion what is yours for not being able to produce an argument for the post?

I've just provided it - most of the time what you come out with isn't even comprehensible English.

What a load of tosh... What I am smiling at is the fact everyone knows you are like a knife which once sharp is now blunt.   Make up any  excuse you like but it was clear... Paganism is related to the dark side... you just keep deluding yourself....

[Sassy]

If a deity looks ugly and harsh.... but the group encourages inclusiveness, selflessness, humility, tolerance, peace and nonviolence...then the deity is godly.

I suppose it depends on what is included within inclusiveness.

By the way, Sriram, from what I have read of world belief systems, Christianity is the only one that was for the whole of humanity from its very inception.

Hope,

I don't know about that. Christians have always been trying to make everyone a Christian. They never recognized the merits of other belief systems and never accepted anyone else as knowledgeable and blessed.  It is probably the  very smug...'we are the only blessed ones'... attitude of the Jews that brushed off on the Christians as well.

However,  having said that I and most Indians are very appreciative of the  service mindedness of Christians. The missionaries, nuns and others  who traveled far and wide into unknown and often dangerous places... and their brave and tireless efforts to serve the poor,  to cure the ailing and to educate the people ....is truly amazing! Proves that faith can work wonders.

In recent decades Hindus have tried to pick up a few of these laudable qualities from Christians.

So Siriam Islam and other religions do not believe or want everyone to be Muslims.

You see Christians know that everyone cannot be made to believe it is a personal choice and no matter what you think you are wrong. Christians have not been trying to make everyone a Christian because you cannot give someone your oil they have to have their own. What Christians have done is enabled others to make their choice. Read Acts 10 where the good news was told and those who believed actually received,

What other religion can do that. keyboard not working correctly excuse the lack off use of question marks etc

[Sassy]

As I have said to Floo elsewhere.

Drop the evidence shit OK.

You cannot "prove" the existence of your deity any more than I can "prove" the existence of mine.

Why?

If you weren't so stuck in trying to "dis" my beliefs to the aggrandisement of your own you would be able to see it - either that or you are just too stupid to see it.

You cannot, I cannot, no-one can, "prove" the existence of something that is a belief, a matter of faith.

Now do me a favour either knock of the faux-stupid questions that, presumably, make you think that you are cleverer than I or just shut up.

He doesn't have to think he is cleverer. When it comes to the bible and his faith he is cleverer than you.

TRUTH.. is what you lack.... and the ability to reason and question what the bible teaches.

You see the bible does provide evidence...

The truth is you don't seek that evidence for the sake of truth and to change accordingly.

BA does have evidence which is given to him and other believers alone.
You choose not to seek it or want to find it.... That is your choice and your
He can prove it to himself you have to get your own proof. The truth is you don't want it and your gods don't require proof as we both know already they don''t exist and never have....

[Owlswing]

What a load of tosh... What I am smiling at is the fact everyone knows you are like a knife which once sharp is now blunt.   Make up any  excuse you like but it was clear... Paganism is related to the dark side... you just keep deluding yourself....

As I have stated to another who thinks they know Paganism - what yoiu DO know about paganism could be written on a flea's arse with a baseball bat dipped in tar.

You are just upset because your Christianity tried to wipe out pagan religions (for which evidence exists - the Venus of Willendorf - dating back to between 25,000 and 23,000 BCE) and failed miserably!

It is Wicca, which is only a branch of Paganism, that is made up; made up by Gerald B Gardner in the 1950's, and even his most devoted followers have come to recognise that.

Modern Paganism (neo-Paganism) has never been attached to the Dark Side, the Left Hand Path, though it is known that some ancient Pagan beliefs were "Dark" to the Christians, but then anything that was not Christainity was so classified.

[Sriram]

Of course, Muslims also seek to promote and spread their religion....much more violently than Christians. I think this tendency to think of themselves as very special  custodians of the real truth....is a strong meme that has been inherited from Judaism by both Christians and Muslims.

Jews of course don't seek to convert anyone. They probably believe that no one else is qualified to be in the exclusive club of Gods's chosen people. 

In any case, this idea of being God's exclusive people is lot of nonsense. All good, peaceful people are God's people.  The Truth is in everyone...and everyone has to develop and grow to attain freedom.  Even atheists. No exceptions.

[Leonard James]

  The Truth is in everyone...and everyone has to develop and grow to attain freedom.  Even atheists. No exceptions.

Sriram has spoken! 

[Sriram]

  The Truth is in everyone...and everyone has to develop and grow to attain freedom.  Even atheists. No exceptions.

Sriram has spoken! 

Yes... . You can't get away. You are part of the school of life too. 

[Leonard James]

  The Truth is in everyone...and everyone has to develop and grow to attain freedom.  Even atheists. No exceptions.

Sriram has spoken! 

Yes... . You can't get away. You are part of the school of life too. 

Indeed! But I am NOT, as you stated, one of "God's" people, because as far as I am concerned "God" doesn't exist.

[Sriram]

Yes... . You can't get away. You are part of the school of life too. 

Indeed! But I am NOT, as you stated, one of "God's" people, because as far as I am concerned "God" doesn't exist.

Have you read the thread ...'Tat Tvam Asi'..?!

[Leonard James]

Yes... . You can't get away. You are part of the school of life too. 

Indeed! But I am NOT, as you stated, one of "God's" people, because as far as I am concerned "God" doesn't exist.

Have you read the thread ...'Tat Tvam Asi'..?!

Yes, but I find it pretentious nonsense. 

[Sriram]

Have you read the thread ...'Tat Tvam Asi'..?!

Yes, but I find it pretentious nonsense. 

What is pretentious about it?   It is what all philosophers and mystics over the centuries have taught.

[Leonard James]

Have you read the thread ...'Tat Tvam Asi'..?!

Yes, but I find it pretentious nonsense. 

What is pretentious about it?   It is what all philosophers and mystics over the centuries have taught.

That doesn't impress me. It's still all guesswork.

[Sassy]

What a load of tosh... What I am smiling at is the fact everyone knows you are like a knife which once sharp is now blunt.   Make up any  excuse you like but it was clear... Paganism is related to the dark side... you just keep deluding yourself....

As I have stated to another who thinks they know Paganism - what you DO know about paganism could be written on a flea's arse with a baseball bat dipped in tar.

What you write is really tantamount to a joke and your opinion are worthless as ice cubes to an Eskimo.  I know about paganism and I have read up on many things to do with it.
What I wrote is a fact but you are selective when it comes to truth. If it walked up and introduced itself you would not recognise it...

You are just upset because your Christianity tried to wipe out pagan religions (for which evidence exists - the Venus of Willendorf - dating back to between 25,000 and 23,000 BCE) and failed miserably!

I have to laugh... there is absolutely nothing tangible about paganism to wipe out. Other than the sacrificing of humans and children. Baal was a pagan god whom children were sacrificed to. You have to be deluded to think Christ or his followers would be upset about something we all know definitely only exists in the minds of pagans.. I suppose what upsets you more than anything is that our beliefs are not know to be fallacies unlike your own.  Nah the truth shows only you are upset.

It is Wicca, which is only a branch of Paganism, that is made up; made up by Gerald B Gardner in the 1950's, and even his most devoted followers have come to recognise that.

An opinion NOT a fact.
As I said they tried to separate it by trying to make it a myth. Shows how little you know.

Modern Paganism (neo-Paganism) has never been attached to the Dark Side, the Left Hand Path, though it is known that some ancient Pagan beliefs were "Dark" to the Christians, but then anything that was not Christainity was so classified.

Is a modern form of Paganism which tried to separate itself from the true history of bloody and dark side of it's origins...You are so easily deluded as your belief in paganism proves... It has not basis in TRUTH... THAT is the TRUTH...

[Sassy]

Sriram,

You won't get any converts here...

[Leonard James]

Hi Sass,

It has not basis in TRUTH... THAT is the TRUTH...

Which makes it just the same as your belief. Everybody swallows their own god story, without regard for the fact that none of them exist.

[Anchorman]

Sass: Stop generalising - it does niether you, nor the cause of Christ, any favours.
Baal worship was a tiny part of what you call paganism.
Human sacrifice, archaeologically speaking, an even tinier.
Human sacrifice had died out, in the main, at least 2500 years before Christ was Incarnate.
It persisted in uthe insignificant nation states between the Fertile crescent and the Nile Valley untill the Assyrians wiped it out.
If there was Iron age human sacrifice in Europe from c500BC onwards (and modern historians doubt the Roman claims as propaganda), it was wiped out before the end of thw first century AD - and the advance of Christianity had barely touched Europe by then.
Whether you accept modern neo-paganism or not (and, as a believer, I accept only One way to God - Christ Jesus, God Invcarnate). it has little or nothing in common with satanism, clairvoyants, seances, or drivel like that - most of which was actually invented, not by pagans, but by ex-Christians, whomnot I, but a far greater judge, will judge in due course.
Whatever happens is up to Him.

[Owlswing]

Sass: Stop generalising - it does niether you, nor the cause of Christ, any favours.
Baal worship was a tiny part of what you call paganism.
Human sacrifice, archaeologically speaking, an even tinier.
Human sacrifice had died out, in the main, at least 2500 years before Christ was Incarnate.
It persisted in uthe insignificant nation states between the Fertile crescent and the Nile Valley untill the Assyrians wiped it out.
If there was Iron age human sacrifice in Europe from c500BC onwards (and modern historians doubt the Roman claims as propaganda), it was wiped out before the end of thw first century AD - and the advance of Christianity had barely touched Europe by then.
Whether you accept modern neo-paganism or not (and, as a believer, I accept only One way to God - Christ Jesus, God Invcarnate). it has little or nothing in common with satanism, clairvoyants, seances, or drivel like that - most of which was actually invented, not by pagans, but by ex-Christians, whomnot I, but a far greater judge, will judge in due course.

You and I, Anchorman will never, in a million years, agree on the Christian deity being the only TRUE deity.

As far as I am concerned Christianity has as much validity, and no more than, all other religions and atheism; we are entitled to our views on the subject and, as I have said many times before, they are, until we reach the life after death for proof positive to the contrary, matters of personal faith - a case of you go your way I'll go mine and if we meet in the pub sometime I'll buy you a dram. Glenfiddich?.

I thank you for your post above, I have spent the last eight or nine years studying the history of Paganism and Witchcraft and to have to plough through Sassy's interminal rubbish that he (she?) spouts under the guise of his (her) sure and certain knowledge on the subject is wearying in the extreme and it was great to read a post by a committed Christian who actually knows what they are talking about.

As Dave Allen used to say at the end of his TV shows - May your God go with you (with a slight emphasis oon the 'your').