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« Reply #150 on: August 03, 2015, 11:32:32 AM »
Glenfiddich?
Hmmmmm, nah - Laphroaig!

Seriously;
As you know, as an Egypt-type geek, I looked at the three or four thousand years of the Nile valley and surrounding civilisations.
Most, in cluding Egypt, practiced some form of human sacrifice around 3000BC. By 1500 BC, none of the major powers touched it with a ten foot ankh.
As a Christian, I obviously think a lot about Israel and her history from c1000BC onwards.
However, as a historian, while I recognise that, biblically, the events surrounding the states in what is now Syria-Palestine are vitally important, to be honest, they were never more than a footnote in history.
The major powers - Egypt, Naharin, Mittanni, and later, Assyria, Babylon and Persia, played them against each other, much as America and Russia did during the cold war.
And those major powers, whom Sass would describe as pagan, had long abandoned human sacrifice (mainly because it was uneconomic), and, indeed, adopted many and various law codes which bear striking similarities to the Ten Commandments.
"for, as long as but a hundred of us remain alive, never will we on any conditions be brought under English rule. It is in truth not for glory, nor riches, nor honours that we are fighting, but for freedom - for that alone, which no honest man gives up but with life itself."

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« Reply #151 on: August 03, 2015, 11:37:03 AM »
MM Interesting stuff A.
Why are you surprised OTHER civilisations have their 'own' 10 Commandments?
Human nature's basically the same the world over.... Always has been.

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« Reply #152 on: August 03, 2015, 11:40:29 AM »
MM Interesting stuff A.
Why are you surprised OTHER civilisations have their 'own' 10 Commandments?
Human nature's basically the same the world over.... Always has been.



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Who's surprised?
After all, any city-state whiche evolves into a nation needs some kind of rules or order to keep it running.
If it has no such set up. it lasts about as long as one of Sass's pronouncements.
"for, as long as but a hundred of us remain alive, never will we on any conditions be brought under English rule. It is in truth not for glory, nor riches, nor honours that we are fighting, but for freedom - for that alone, which no honest man gives up but with life itself."

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« Reply #153 on: August 03, 2015, 11:43:38 AM »
LOL Yes !!!!
Cos you used the the word striking which implies, to me, a kind of surprise.

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« Reply #154 on: August 04, 2015, 05:19:27 AM »
Sriram,

You won't get any converts here... ;D

LOL!  Sassy...I am not trying to convert anyone. 

What I am saying is the basis of your religion too. Just go into its esoteric teachings and you'll know. Its the basis of all spirituality and religions. Even science will eventually realize (its beginning to in some areas) that our inner consciousness is the foundation of all phenomena.

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« Reply #155 on: August 04, 2015, 09:49:14 AM »
 ;D

Ah maybe I should come back here more often.. it doesn't get more amusing that Sriram's imaginations on what science will 'eventually realise".

This from someone who doesn't even realise that most of what they say is held in the same esteem as the views of meth drinkers and the corn circle society!!!  ;)

Satan doesn't seem such a bad option after all!! 
I believe in everything until it's disproved. So I believe in fairies, the myths, dragons. It all exists, even if it's in your mind. Who's to say that dreams and nightmares aren't as real as the here and now?

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« Reply #156 on: August 04, 2015, 11:31:21 AM »

This from someone who doesn't even realise that most of what they say is held in the same esteem as the views of meth drinkers and the corn circle society!!!  ;)
 

". . . held in the same esteem . . . " - by whom?

You, obviously, but for who else, for what learned body, do you speak?
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« Reply #157 on: August 04, 2015, 12:09:59 PM »
Dear CMG KCMG GCMG, ( can I just call you C )

It's just Rabbac being Rabbac, he mellows after a few ciders.

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« Reply #158 on: August 04, 2015, 02:15:38 PM »

This from someone who doesn't even realise that most of what they say is held in the same esteem as the views of meth drinkers and the corn circle society!!!  ;)
 

". . . held in the same esteem . . . " - by whom?

You, obviously, but for who else, for what learned body, do you speak?

NOBODY ELSE. I have respect for Sriram's views anyway, as he knows !!!!

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« Reply #159 on: August 04, 2015, 03:18:56 PM »
Dear CMG KCMG GCMG, ( can I just call you C )

It's just Rabbac being Rabbac, he mellows after a few ciders.

Gonnagle.

Call me whatever you like as long as it is not late for meals!
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« Reply #160 on: August 04, 2015, 05:08:10 PM »

Thanks a lot Nick, Gonnagle and CMG....for your support.   :)

Thanks KO too for your kind thoughts!  ::)

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« Reply #161 on: September 03, 2015, 04:34:35 AM »
Sass: Stop generalising - it does niether you, nor the cause of Christ, any favours.
Baal worship was a tiny part of what you call paganism.
Human sacrifice, archaeologically speaking, an even tinier.
Human sacrifice had died out, in the main, at least 2500 years before Christ was Incarnate.
It persisted in uthe insignificant nation states between the Fertile crescent and the Nile Valley untill the Assyrians wiped it out.
If there was Iron age human sacrifice in Europe from c500BC onwards (and modern historians doubt the Roman claims as propaganda), it was wiped out before the end of thw first century AD - and the advance of Christianity had barely touched Europe by then.
Whether you accept modern neo-paganism or not (and, as a believer, I accept only One way to God - Christ Jesus, God Invcarnate). it has little or nothing in common with satanism, clairvoyants, seances, or drivel like that - most of which was actually invented, not by pagans, but by ex-Christians, whomnot I, but a far greater judge, will judge in due course.
Whatever happens is up to Him.

Stop making excuses to suck up to the pagans and stop treating this as if a personal attack somehow.

Why don't you stop making excuses... Anything that is not born of God, Christ, the Spirit and Truth is pagan. Because all that is false in any century is born of the devil the Father of all lies...

Paganism, Baal, Seti and all false gods are born of the devil.

You can make as many excuses as you like and talk about any century but the truth does not change. Now how about telling the truth that all that is false is condemned. Why lie and make people think they are secure in such beliefs. Take a lesson in truth. It might save your life.
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« Reply #162 on: September 03, 2015, 04:36:46 AM »


What a load of tosh... What I am smiling at is the fact everyone knows you are like a knife which once sharp is now blunt.   Make up any  excuse you like but it was clear... Paganism is related to the dark side... you just keep deluding yourself....

As I have stated to another who thinks they know Paganism - what you DO know about paganism could be written on a flea's arse with a baseball bat dipped in tar.

What you write is really tantamount to a joke and your opinion are worthless as ice cubes to an Eskimo.  I know about paganism and I have read up on many things to do with it.
What I wrote is a fact but you are selective when it comes to truth. If it walked up and introduced itself you would not recognise it...

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You are just upset because your Christianity tried to wipe out pagan religions (for which evidence exists - the Venus of Willendorf - dating back to between 25,000 and 23,000 BCE) and failed miserably!

I have to laugh... there is absolutely nothing tangible about paganism to wipe out. Other than the sacrificing of humans and children. Baal was a pagan god whom children were sacrificed to. You have to be deluded to think Christ or his followers would be upset about something we all know definitely only exists in the minds of pagans.. I suppose what upsets you more than anything is that our beliefs are not know to be fallacies unlike your own.  Nah the truth shows only you are upset.
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It is Wicca, which is only a branch of Paganism, that is made up; made up by Gerald B Gardner in the 1950's, and even his most devoted followers have come to recognise that.

An opinion NOT a fact.
As I said they tried to separate it by trying to make it a myth. Shows how little you know.
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Modern Paganism (neo-Paganism) has never been attached to the Dark Side, the Left Hand Path, though it is known that some ancient Pagan beliefs were "Dark" to the Christians, but then anything that was not Christainity was so classified.

Is a modern form of Paganism which tried to separate itself from the true history of bloody and dark side of it's origins...You are so easily deluded as your belief in paganism proves... It has not basis in TRUTH... THAT is the TRUTH...


Errr, sassy? Where to start with your post? I guess the opening sentence 😉

Ice cubes are very useful to Eskimos, it's how they build igloos

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Christians demonised Paganism in their attempt to convert Pagans, it's all propaganda.

Pagans weren't really like Early Christians painted them, did you not realise this?
Man and pagan beliefs caused them to sacrifice their children to these false gods.
No one demonised anyone... BRUSH up on the truth the pagans changed and dropped some of their beliefs because their history was bad.
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« Reply #163 on: September 03, 2015, 07:22:13 AM »
Human sacrifice had died out, in the main, at least 2500 years before Christ was Incarnate.

I thought Christ was human and was a sacrifice?
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« Reply #164 on: September 03, 2015, 07:52:31 AM »
Human sacrifice had died out, in the main, at least 2500 years before Christ was Incarnate.

I thought Christ was human and was a sacrifice?

Touche!
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« Reply #165 on: September 03, 2015, 11:37:47 AM »
Human sacrifice had died out, in the main, at least 2500 years before Christ was Incarnate.

I thought Christ was human and was a sacrifice?

Christ wasn't sacrificed to God.
Christ was the sacrifice for man and the sins they had committed to bring us back to God. The living sacrifice not sacrificed by man or God, but he gave up his life no one took it from him. At any time he asked God would have rescued him because he had NO sin in him.

It is the selfless love of one man for the whole of mankind.
Just as you would risk your life to run into a burning building to rescue a child.
Sometimes it is easier to risk your life than feel filled with guilt having to watch and doing nothing whilst another comes to harm.

It is more to Christs credit that he would do it for anyones child not just his own. He did it for all Gods creation. Self sacrifice is different from enforced sacrifice which those poor children had no choice in. What type of evil can a person possess that would allow them to burn or kill a child for their false god.

Today we are protective toward our children. Can you ever imagine a time when people did not care and could kill them?  Or did they scream out when their turn came and the other parents allowed it to happen?

Two things God taught us... He does not want human sacrifice. He taught Abraham that and the people of Israel. I feel the lesson is again taught in judges makes it clear not to offer God something he does not want.

30 And Jephthah vowed a vow unto the LORD, and said, If thou shalt without fail deliver the children of Ammon into mine hands,

31 Then it shall be, that whatsoever cometh forth of the doors of my house to meet me, when I return in peace from the children of Ammon, shall surely be the LORD'S, and I will offer it up for a burnt offering.


34 And Jephthah came to Mizpeh unto his house, and, behold, his daughter came out to meet him with timbrels and with dances: and she was his only child; beside her he had neither son nor daughter.

35 And it came to pass, when he saw her, that he rent his clothes, and said, Alas, my daughter! thou hast brought me very low, and thou art one of them that trouble me: for I have opened my mouth unto the LORD, and I cannot go back.


Now we know that it is not good to offer human sacrifices as God finds it an abomination.

I find that sad that someone can promise another as a sacrifice. God is not happy with human sacrificing. What I do know it was ignorance and superstition which caused such evil. I think it is mans saddest history that they killed their own children. Hitler killed the children of the Jews and those who were not Jews but disabled. A sad world that once existed. Thank God man knows better now.
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Re: Satan statue
« Reply #166 on: September 03, 2015, 12:24:25 PM »
The Romans crucified Jesus after pressure from the religious mafia of the day. The dying for humans 'sins' and the resurrection story, were concocted by his followers, imo!

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« Reply #167 on: September 03, 2015, 12:58:18 PM »
Human sacrifice had died out, in the main, at least 2500 years before Christ was Incarnate.

I thought Christ was human and was a sacrifice?

Christ wasn't sacrificed to God.

But still a human who was sacrificed, thanks for confirming. 
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« Reply #168 on: September 03, 2015, 03:49:22 PM »
The Romans crucified Jesus after pressure from the religious mafia of the day. The dying for humans 'sins' and the resurrection story, were concocted by his followers, imo!
And what grounds did the 'religious mafia of the day' (aka the Jewish religious leadership) use to pressurise the Romans, Floo?
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« Reply #169 on: September 03, 2015, 03:51:36 PM »
But still a human who was sacrificed, thanks for confirming.
Well done jakswan, you seem to be learning. Yes, Jesus was fully human, but at the same time, he remained fully God.  Now, just how that occurred is outside your or my understanding, but as that is how Jesus described himself.
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« Reply #170 on: September 03, 2015, 03:57:54 PM »
But still a human who was sacrificed, thanks for confirming.
Well done jakswan, you seem to be learning. Yes, Jesus was fully human, but at the same time, he remained fully God.  Now, just how that occurred is outside your or my understanding, but as that is how Jesus described himself.
Interesting admission.
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« Reply #171 on: September 03, 2015, 04:00:26 PM »
Interesting admission.
Not sure that jakswan has admitted anything yet: as for anything you think I might have 'admitted', it ain't new.  I've been saying it for years.
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« Reply #172 on: September 03, 2015, 04:33:17 PM »
The Romans crucified Jesus after pressure from the religious mafia of the day. The dying for humans 'sins' and the resurrection story, were concocted by his followers, imo!
And what grounds did the 'religious mafia of the day' (aka the Jewish religious leadership) use to pressurise the Romans, Floo?

Well they obviously did or Jesus wouldn't have been executed, would he?

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« Reply #173 on: September 03, 2015, 04:40:28 PM »
But still a human who was sacrificed, thanks for confirming.
Well done jakswan, you seem to be learning. Yes, Jesus was fully human, but at the same time, he remained fully God.  Now, just how that occurred is outside your or my understanding, but as that is how Jesus described himself.

Maybe it occurred by magic, as BHS uses to say 'if magic then anything'. :)
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« Reply #174 on: September 03, 2015, 07:14:58 PM »
In Montana there is a statue of Jesus of 50 years standing which a group of atheists and agnostics wanted pulling down.

It was ruled against because it is a popular meeting place for normal people.