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Rhiannon

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Beliefs
« on: August 01, 2015, 05:38:01 PM »
Does it matter to you if you can't prove what you believe to others?
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Re: Beliefs
« Reply #1 on: August 01, 2015, 05:43:03 PM »
Quote from: Rhiannon on August 01, 2015, 05:38:01 PM
Does it matter to you if you can't prove what you believe to others?

Of course not...I don't think so. Belief is a way of understanding the world in relation to oneself and ones interactions with it. We don't need to prove it to anyone.

If proof was the criterion...most beliefs would be abandoned.


PS: Sorry...I just corrected the first sentence.
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Re: Beliefs
« Reply #2 on: August 01, 2015, 06:57:04 PM »
Quote from: Sriram on August 01, 2015, 05:43:03 PM
Quote from: Rhiannon on August 01, 2015, 05:38:01 PM
Does it matter to you if you can't prove what you believe to others?

Of course...I should think so, Belief is a way of understanding the world in relation to oneself and ones interactions with it. We don't need to prove it to anyone.

If proof was the criterion...most beliefs would be abandoned.

Precisely!
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Re: Beliefs
« Reply #3 on: August 01, 2015, 09:49:02 PM »
Does it matter to you if you can't prove what you believe to others?

No !!! Not at all. Why should I care? My belief is exactly that. It's like trying to get people who would never watch Coronation St because they really don't like it, to sit & view it day after day for weeks !?!?!??!?

If people cared less then most of the world's crap would be flushed down the bog where it deserves to be. ;)

I've been playing - learning the Indian sitar for well over 30 years, most people find it fascinating but others have said stuff like, Oh it reminds me of Pakis !!!!?!?!?

I DID laugh when a guy said this but it didn't make me feel the need to explain about Indian music to him. If he'd have asked, then YES I would've.

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Re: Beliefs
« Reply #4 on: August 01, 2015, 10:26:29 PM »
Quote from: trippymonkey on August 01, 2015, 09:49:02 PM
Does it matter to you if you can't prove what you believe to others?

No !!! Not at all. Why should I care? My belief is exactly that.

Nick

My way of thinking exactly.

I mean, some people believe that Russell Brand is funny!

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« Reply #5 on: August 01, 2015, 10:49:41 PM »
Sometimes he IS. Not too often though.

Tell you what - I was having a great time watching that Morecambe & Wise thing on Beeb 2 a day or so ago. Must be about 40 years old that footage & as fresh today as it was then. I feel anyway. But WHO CARES ?!!?!? LOL
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Re: Beliefs
« Reply #6 on: August 01, 2015, 10:58:06 PM »
Quote from: trippymonkey on August 01, 2015, 10:49:41 PM
Sometimes he IS. Not too often though.

Tell you what - I was having a great time watching that Morecambe & Wise thing on Beeb 2 a day or so ago. Must be about 40 years old that footage & as fresh today as it was then. I feel anyway. But WHO CARES ?!!?!? LOL
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. . . and not one obscenity between them in all their years.

I miss that.
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« Reply #7 on: August 01, 2015, 10:59:34 PM »
A little naughty inuendo but still bloody hilarious, I was laughing out loud. 40 years old !?!?!?!?
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Re: Beliefs
« Reply #8 on: August 01, 2015, 11:08:05 PM »
I'm a Two Ronnies girl myself.  :)
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« Reply #9 on: August 01, 2015, 11:17:28 PM »
Anyways, how about the Christians here? I posted here specifically as it seems important to Christians in a way that it doesn't to other faiths and paths. It was important to me back when I was a Christian too, but looking back I can't think why - except I suppose I thought 'true for me' was 'true for everyone'.  :-\
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Re: Beliefs
« Reply #10 on: August 01, 2015, 11:25:38 PM »
Quote from: Rhiannon on August 01, 2015, 11:08:05 PM
I'm a Two Ronnies girl myself.  :)

OH YES I do believe I've seen you on there ?!!!? LOL
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Re: Beliefs
« Reply #11 on: August 02, 2015, 12:28:24 AM »
Quote from: Rhiannon on August 01, 2015, 05:38:01 PM
Does it matter to you if you can't prove what you believe to others?
God calls me to witness to the truth.  I obey His call to the best of my ability.
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Re: Beliefs
« Reply #12 on: August 02, 2015, 01:01:29 AM »
Quote from: Alan Burns on August 02, 2015, 12:28:24 AM
Quote from: Rhiannon on August 01, 2015, 05:38:01 PM
Does it matter to you if you can't prove what you believe to others?
God calls me to witness to the truth.  I obey His call to the best of my ability.

NO - to witness to what, FOR YOU, is the truth!

It is NOT the truth for me.
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Re: Beliefs
« Reply #13 on: August 02, 2015, 01:28:46 AM »
Quote from: CMG KCMG GCMG on August 02, 2015, 01:01:29 AM
Quote from: Alan Burns on August 02, 2015, 12:28:24 AM
Quote from: Rhiannon on August 01, 2015, 05:38:01 PM
Does it matter to you if you can't prove what you believe to others?
God calls me to witness to the truth.  I obey His call to the best of my ability.

NO - to witness to what, FOR YOU, is the truth!

It is NOT the truth for me.

 Jesus told Pilate at His trial that He had come into this world to bear witness to the truth,  and it is the Cross that is the supreme witness of the truth, and it is the way of life which that ultimately leads to: goodness, love and mercy, forgiveness, peace and living in accord with your fellow man.  That is the truth to me.  What then, is your truth?
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Re: Beliefs
« Reply #14 on: August 02, 2015, 01:53:09 AM »
Quote from: Rhiannon on August 01, 2015, 11:08:05 PM
I'm a Two Ronnies girl myself.  :)
Hey, you're allowed to give them whatever nicknames you like.
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Re: Beliefs
« Reply #15 on: August 02, 2015, 05:48:38 AM »
Quote from: Alan Burns on August 02, 2015, 12:28:24 AM
Quote from: Rhiannon on August 01, 2015, 05:38:01 PM
Does it matter to you if you can't prove what you believe to others?
God calls me to witness to the truth.  I obey His call to the best of my ability.

But why try to do that with pseudo-science and inaccuracies? Why not just demonstrate your truth through how you live your life?
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Re: Beliefs
« Reply #16 on: August 02, 2015, 06:02:57 AM »
Having certain beliefs is one thing...but believing that we are superior to others and therefore need to force our beliefs on them... is another thing.

All humans have beliefs one way or the other. But only some groups believe that they are superior to other people and therefore need to eliminate their beliefs...even to the point of eliminating the people themselves. 
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Re: Beliefs
« Reply #17 on: August 02, 2015, 08:27:49 AM »
Quote from: BashfulAnthony on August 02, 2015, 01:28:46 AM
Quote from: CMG KCMG GCMG on August 02, 2015, 01:01:29 AM
Quote from: Alan Burns on August 02, 2015, 12:28:24 AM
Quote from: Rhiannon on August 01, 2015, 05:38:01 PM
Does it matter to you if you can't prove what you believe to others?
God calls me to witness to the truth.  I obey His call to the best of my ability.

NO - to witness to what, FOR YOU, is the truth!

It is NOT the truth for me.

 Jesus told Pilate at His trial that He had come into this world to bear witness to the truth,  and it is the Cross that is the supreme witness of the truth, and it is the way of life which that ultimately leads to: goodness, love and mercy, forgiveness, peace and living in accord with your fellow man.  That is the truth to me.  What then, is your truth?

And it THIS very attitude of 'overriding' others' beliefs that has had Christianity commit the most appalling crimes against humanity in place like India - Asia & South America etc !!!
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Re: Beliefs
« Reply #18 on: August 02, 2015, 08:42:07 AM »
Quote from: Alan Burns on August 02, 2015, 12:28:24 AM
Quote from: Rhiannon on August 01, 2015, 05:38:01 PM
Does it matter to you if you can't prove what you believe to others?
God calls me to witness to the truth.  I obey His call to the best of my ability.

Sorry Alan but the deity is up the creek without a paddle where you are concerned, as your posts aren't convincing in the least. As for the 'truth' you might believe your POV is such, but cannot produce the tiniest bit of evidence to support your claim!
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Re: Beliefs
« Reply #19 on: August 02, 2015, 08:46:16 AM »
Quote from: Rhiannon on August 01, 2015, 05:38:01 PM
Does it matter to you if you can't prove what you believe to others?

If we cannot justify our beliefs to others, that might be an indicator that the belief is unjustified.
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Re: Beliefs
« Reply #20 on: August 02, 2015, 09:08:58 AM »
Justifying is not the same as proving a 'truth' though, is it???
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Re: Beliefs
« Reply #21 on: August 02, 2015, 09:36:14 AM »
Quote from: CMG KCMG GCMG on August 02, 2015, 01:01:29 AM
Quote from: Alan Burns on August 02, 2015, 12:28:24 AM
Quote from: Rhiannon on August 01, 2015, 05:38:01 PM
Does it matter to you if you can't prove what you believe to others?
God calls me to witness to the truth.  I obey His call to the best of my ability.

NO - to witness to what, FOR YOU, is the truth!

It is NOT the truth for me.
There is only one truth
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Truth is not an abstraction, but a person - Edith Stein
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Joy is the Gigantic Secret of Christians - GK Chesterton

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Re: Beliefs
« Reply #22 on: August 02, 2015, 09:49:17 AM »
Quote from: Alan Burns on August 02, 2015, 09:36:14 AM
Quote from: CMG KCMG GCMG on August 02, 2015, 01:01:29 AM
Quote from: Alan Burns on August 02, 2015, 12:28:24 AM
Quote from: Rhiannon on August 01, 2015, 05:38:01 PM
Does it matter to you if you can't prove what you believe to others?
God calls me to witness to the truth.  I obey His call to the best of my ability.

NO - to witness to what, FOR YOU, is the truth!

It is NOT the truth for me.
There is only one truth

If you are talking about the cause of the universe and life, yes, there is only one truth. Sadly, NOBODY knows what it is yet.
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Re: Beliefs
« Reply #23 on: August 02, 2015, 09:53:00 AM »
Quote from: trippymonkey on August 02, 2015, 09:08:58 AM
Justifying is not the same as proving a 'truth' though, is it???

Maybe that's right. Maybe it is in the nature of a belief, that it can be supported by some degree of justification, but not proof.
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Re: Beliefs
« Reply #24 on: August 02, 2015, 09:54:57 AM »
Quote from: BashfulAnthony on August 02, 2015, 01:28:46 AM
Quote from: CMG KCMG GCMG on August 02, 2015, 01:01:29 AM
Quote from: Alan Burns on August 02, 2015, 12:28:24 AM
Quote from: Rhiannon on August 01, 2015, 05:38:01 PM
Does it matter to you if you can't prove what you believe to others?
God calls me to witness to the truth.  I obey His call to the best of my ability.

NO - to witness to what, FOR YOU, is the truth!

It is NOT the truth for me.

 Jesus told Pilate at His trial that He had come into this world to bear witness to the truth,  and it is the Cross that is the supreme witness of the truth, and it is the way of life which that ultimately leads to: goodness, love and mercy, forgiveness, peace and living in accord with your fellow man.  That is the truth to me.  What then, is your truth?

Simple - there is no "one truth fits all".
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