Man shall not live by bread alone.

[Sassy]

It concerns me to hear people professing to be believers deny the teachings in the bible and so break the instructions within them.
If you deny any part of the OT by declaring some of it not to be true, then you are also break the instructions within it.


The OT states:
King James Bible
And he humbled thee, and suffered thee to hunger, and fed thee with manna, which thou knewest not, neither did thy fathers know; that he might make thee know that man doth not live by bread only, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of the LORD doth man live.

Christ reiterated this in Matthew 4 and he spoke of the OT as being true in every sense of the word.

I have noticed how Christians sometime deny the truth of the OT. The story of Noah and the flood are real. In fact he is an ancestor of Christ.
It isn't about understanding how and why but that God spoke the truth and it is fact. When a person is healed and that person had test evidence to prove they have been healed. Why does the body not show the signs of the sickness having been there before the person now being fully healed by God?

When the flood abated where did the water go? Why is the signs not evident of this or no explanation?

If you can tell a fig tree to uproot itself and replant itself in the middle of the sea bed what in mans understanding would explain that happening?

I am asking the Christians...

How can you deny the truth of the bible when God clearly warns that you have to live by every word of God not your own wisdom

[jeremyp]

If you deny any part of the OT by declaring some of it not to be true, then you are also break the instructions within it.

But who cares about the instructions in the OT if we are declaring it to be not true?

[Sassy]

If you deny any part of the OT by declaring some of it not to be true, then you are also break the instructions within it.

But who cares about the instructions in the OT if we are declaring it to be not true?

Are you a Christian??

I am asking the Christians...

How can you deny the truth of the bible when God clearly warns that you have to live by every word of God not your own wisdom

Who is the 'WE'?  Are you claiming to be speaking as a Christian for Christians?

[jeremyp]

If you deny any part of the OT by declaring some of it not to be true, then you are also break the instructions within it.

But who cares about the instructions in the OT if we are declaring it to be not true?

Are you a Christian??

I am asking the Christians...

How can you deny the truth of the bible when God clearly warns that you have to live by every word of God not your own wisdom

Who is the 'WE'?  Are you claiming to be speaking as a Christian for Christians?

Sorry for replying on this public message board.  I'll rephrase:

But who cares about the instructions in the OT if some Christians (e.g. BA) are declaring it to be not true?

[floo]

A lot of Christians would not see it the way of Sass, that is for sure. But Sass knows best, she can of course read the mind of the deity, just like my late mother-in-law, who knew exactly what the deity's thoughts were on any topic!

As for the title of the thread, my late father-in-law was happy to put his hand in his rather tight pocket to supply Bibles for the heathen, but wouldn't give a penny to put bread in their starving stomachs! He would often quote that ridiculous phrase! 

[Owlswing]

A lot of Christians would not see it the way of Sass, that is for sure. But Sass knows best, she can of course read the mind of the deity, just like my late mother-in-law, who knew exactly what the deity's thoughts were on any topic!

As for the title of the thread, my late father-in-law was happy to put his hand in his rather tight pocket to supply Bibles for the heathen, but wouldn't give a penny to put bread in their starving stomachs! He would often quote that ridiculous phrase! 

There are a lot, far too many in fact, who do the same!

[cyberman]

The story of Noah and the flood are real. In fact he is an ancestor of Christ.

Well, if the story is true, then he'd have to be wouldn't he? An ancestor of everyone, in fact.

[ad_orientem]

For once I have to agree with Sass.

[Alan Burns]

I am asking the Christians...

How can you deny the truth of the bible when God clearly warns that you have to live by every word of God not your own wisdom

Sass,
Jesus often taught by using parables which were not literally true, but conveyed a message which illustrated how we should live.

Some parts of the OT are similarly written to convey messages rather than a literal truth, so I am prepared to be advised on this by biblical scholars as to which are true, but we still need to need the messages conveyed.

[Anchorman]

Wot Alan Burns said.

[Owlswing]

I am asking the Christians...

How can you deny the truth of the bible when God clearly warns that you have to live by every word of God not your own wisdom

Sass,
Jesus often taught by using parables which were not literally true, but conveyed a message which illustrated how we should live.

Some parts of the OT are similarly written to convey messages rather than a literal truth, so I am prepared to be advised on this by biblical scholars as to which are true, but we still need to need the messages conveyed.

Ah! Suddenly I see the truth of it - the Bible I mean.

It is written as Alan says it is, so that you can say that it is saying whatever you want it to say because it is "written to convey messages rather than a literal truth".

[floo]

If you deny any part of the OT by declaring some of it not to be true, then you are also break the instructions within it.

But who cares about the instructions in the OT if we are declaring it to be not true?

Are you a Christian??

I am asking the Christians...

How can you deny the truth of the bible when God clearly warns that you have to live by every word of God not your own wisdom

Who is the 'WE'?  Are you claiming to be speaking as a Christian for Christians?

And you know what you are talking about don't you Sass? Your POV where faith matters are concerned is really WEIRD, compared to that of moderate mainstream Christians!

[jakswan]

It is written as Alan says it is, so that you can say that it is saying whatever you want it to say because it is "written to convey messages rather than a literal truth".

Don't forget if that doesn't work its been translated wrong or taken 'out of context'.

[Owlswing]

It is written as Alan says it is, so that you can say that it is saying whatever you want it to say because it is "written to convey messages rather than a literal truth".

Don't forget if that doesn't work its been translated wrong or taken 'out of context'.

Oh yeah! Forgot that one! (Can't find an emoticon for "quiet snigger")

Welcome back, Jak! Where you bin!

[BashfulAnthony]

Do the shallow atheists on here really think that Jesus was being so narrow in His words?    As far as any eternal life goes, the physical needs of the body really make no difference. They sustain your mortal life, which is a microscopic fleck of time in a grand scheme of things. So He's saying that it would be stupid to trade eternity to sustain the body. You need both to be complete. You have to mind the physical body and the spirit. Man cannot live a full spiritual life if his perspective is based solely on the physical side of bread alone.

[ippy]

I am asking the Christians...

How can you deny the truth of the bible when God clearly warns that you have to live by every word of God not your own wisdom

Sass,
Jesus often taught by using parables which were not literally true, but conveyed a message which illustrated how we should live.

Some parts of the OT are similarly written to convey messages rather than a literal truth, so I am prepared to be advised on this by biblical scholars as to which are true, but we still need to need the messages conveyed.

And the minions are expected to rely on some of the usually most pompous twerps available to translate what they think these mysterious messages might mean; well thank you very much.

A good starting point would be to establish the veracity of these books first and then discuss them if, in the very unlikely event, they can be validated.   

ippy

[BashfulAnthony]

I am asking the Christians...

How can you deny the truth of the bible when God clearly warns that you have to live by every word of God not your own wisdom

Sass,
Jesus often taught by using parables which were not literally true, but conveyed a message which illustrated how we should live.

Some parts of the OT are similarly written to convey messages rather than a literal truth, so I am prepared to be advised on this by biblical scholars as to which are true, but we still need to need the messages conveyed.

And the minions are expected to rely on some of the usually most pompous twerps available to translate what they think these mysterious messages might mean; well thank you very much.

A good starting point would be to establish the veracity of these books first and then discuss them if, in the very unlikely event, they can be validated.   

ippy

What ever perverted view you have of religion, there are a few of its moral values you might try  -  humility being one of many.

[ippy]

I am asking the Christians...

How can you deny the truth of the bible when God clearly warns that you have to live by every word of God not your own wisdom

Sass,
Jesus often taught by using parables which were not literally true, but conveyed a message which illustrated how we should live.

Some parts of the OT are similarly written to convey messages rather than a literal truth, so I am prepared to be advised on this by biblical scholars as to which are true, but we still need to need the messages conveyed.

And the minions are expected to rely on some of the usually most pompous twerps available to translate what they think these mysterious messages might mean; well thank you very much.

A good starting point would be to establish the veracity of these books first and then discuss them if, in the very unlikely event, they can be validated.   

ippy

What ever perverted view you have of religion, there are a few of its moral values you might try  -  humility being one of many.

Where does perversion come into my post B A, I know it wouldn't be your cup of tea, but perversion?

ippy 

[BashfulAnthony]

I am asking the Christians...

How can you deny the truth of the bible when God clearly warns that you have to live by every word of God not your own wisdom

Sass,
Jesus often taught by using parables which were not literally true, but conveyed a message which illustrated how we should live.

Some parts of the OT are similarly written to convey messages rather than a literal truth, so I am prepared to be advised on this by biblical scholars as to which are true, but we still need to need the messages conveyed.

And the minions are expected to rely on some of the usually most pompous twerps available to translate what they think these mysterious messages might mean; well thank you very much.

A good starting point would be to establish the veracity of these books first and then discuss them if, in the very unlikely event, they can be validated.   

ippy

What ever perverted view you have of religion, there are a few of its moral values you might try  -  humility being one of many.

Where does perversion come into my post B A, I know it wouldn't be your cup of tea, but perversion?

ippy

My apologies, ippy, that comment was intended for Shaker.

[Shaker]

Ooh no, I try not to have much truck with this humility business - it tends to be for those with plenty to be humble about

[BashfulAnthony]

Ooh no, I try not to have much truck with this humility business - it tends to be for those with plenty to be humble about

Paraphrasing Churchill, there.

[Shaker]

Well Googled 

[BashfulAnthony]

Well Googled 

It's an old chestnut of a quote; made when Churchill was referring to Atlee.  You probably googled it in the first place!

[Owlswing]

Well Googled 

I more appropriate quote to the person to whom the Churchillian one was addressed would probablily be:

Empty vessels make the most noise.

What d'ya think, Shaker?

[Shaker]

Nice one