Sick wickedness of Catholic parents.

[Owlswing]

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How can religion cause parents to be so heartless in the treatment of their children?

I don't quite see what the problem is. They've done nothing "wicked".

Yes they have.

By their every action they are telling their child that there is something wrong with him. Please do not underestimate the effect on a young persons self esteem in cases  such as these. At the bottom of the article is a post about somebody taking their own life. An all too common occurence due to parents who are unable to handle the fact that their child is gay. Acceptance is key.

Well, I disagree. The patents quite naturally do not want their son to fall into sinful behaviour.

Isn't Catholicism founded on the concept that we are all inevitably sinners and that we do not earn redemption - our Earthly behaviour is not an attempt to 'deserve' entry to heaven.

Even if you accept the patent nonsense of 'sin', from her point of view she has abandoned and isolated her child, made him feel alone, unloved and unworthy: if she wants him to be resisting temptation, he's going to need a support mechanism which should be her and won't be.

Even with her own goals and misguided conceptualisation in mind she's working against her own interests.

O.

But she clearly, as does the male (not the son), she is following her God's commands and instructions and as far as she is concerned the boy is not only disobeying her but her God!

[OH MY WORLD!]

Some of you are so blatantly biased against the USA. You get the shock stories on your little island and make your pathetic, outrageous, childish and plain stupid, anti US comments. Each one of you is a fool if you think what you bitch at the USA about, can't be found in your little Utopia.(snork) Somebody says moderate Christianity keeps a low profile there. Absolute lie, it certainly does not. And we can look at some presidents for example, Obama, Carter, Clinton, Ford, Bush #1, LBJ, Nixon, Kennedy, all very liberal. No, what the true issue here is the fact that the conservative evangelicals get politically involved as is the right of every single American. You get the shocker stories over there but if you were smart, you would actually take in all the American news not just what feeds your pathetic anti USA addiction. Here's a news flash silly ones, there is anti gay religious people and non religious living on your island. That is fact.


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[Outrider]

But she clearly, as does the male (not the son), she is following her God's commands and instructions and as far as she is concerned the boy is not only disobeying her but her God!

They think if he acts upon his sexual attractions he'll be committing sin - I get that. I disagree, but I get that.

If she wants him to resist, though, he's going to need support, and he's not going to feel like he's got that from them.

Sex outside of marriage is a sin for anyone, masturbation is a sin for anyone, pornography is a sin for anyone, but her other children didn't have their doors removed or their entitlement to a phone curtailed.

She has failed to accept or love her son for what he is, sinner or no. That's unfathomable to me, way beyond the crazy idea of 'sin'.

O.

[BashfulAnthony]

Some of you are so blatantly biased against the USA. You get the shock stories on your little island and make your pathetic, outrageous, childish and plain stupid, anti US comments. Each one of you is a fool if you think what you bitch at the USA about, can't be found in your little Utopia.(snork) Somebody says moderate Christianity keeps a low profile there. Absolute lie, it certainly does not. And we can look at some presidents for example, Obama, Carter, Clinton, Ford, Bush #1, LBJ, Nixon, Kennedy, all very liberal. No, what the true issue here is the fact that the conservative evangelicals get politically involved as is the right of every single American. You get the shocker stories over there but if you were smart, you would actually take in all the American news not just what feeds your pathetic anti USA addiction. Here's a news flash silly ones, there is anti gay religious people and non religious living on your island. That is fact.


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The fact is, the guys on here, the atheists, anyway, pontificate about all and everything as though they are experts, when in fact they are largely ignoramuses.  Noe of them has any idea of the state of religion in the US, except what they've googled, and that is no guide.

[OH MY WORLD!]

That's very true BA. I recall one poster claiming Americans talk a certain way because some author wrote that way.

[Hope]

The American version of Christianity appears to be very nasty indeed. Many of those sick extremists seem to drool at the prospect of unbelievers burning in hell forever and ever. Of course we have some of those evil nutters over here, but fortunately for the UK they are recognised as such and don't have any political clout as they do in the USofA.

Clearly you have a great deal of experience and knowledge of the American version of Christianity, Floo.  Possibly more than most American Christians have.  After all, we have ECUSA which is quite happy to ordain and promote gay priests of both genders - even to the extent of having then as bishops.  Then we have the Southern Baptists whose theology is about as diverse as the population of London, UK - but is often characterised as being as literal as one can get, even to treating Biblical poetry as literally true; then you get the one-offs - like Westboro Baptist (though iirc, WBC are [or were] part of the Southern Baptists.  Then Tere is Vineyard, whose main characteristics are evangelicalism and social action in equal amounts.  And that is but a microcosm of the breath of the groupings.

[Nearly Sane]

NS

It is quite notable that, if there is a "moderate wing" to the Christian Church in the US, it has made "keeping a low profile" into a stupendously successful form of invisibilty cloak, to the point that, to all intents and purposes, it does not appear to exist.

What is this 'Christian Church' thing - there are many many denominations and as with Floo portraying it as a monolith is simply factually incorrect. As to moderate Christians, there seem to me to be tons in the US - yes there are some loons but there are loons everywhere. Is Obama keeping a low profile?

[Shaker]

Sinful behaviour is things like drinking to excess or gambling.

Not acting on  your homosexuality.

No, not even that, for any atheist. Sin is a religious term that only has traction within a religious context (sin is whatever a god is deemed not to like/disapprove of). Remove the god, and you remove the concept of sin with it.

There are wrong and bad things to do, but there are no sins; they're wrong and bad because they cause harm to other sentient creatures, not displeasure to any nonexistent gods.

[Nearly Sane]

But no one has said it is unfair to describe them as Catholic Parents just that the title implies this is true for all Catholic Parents and that that is both factually wrong and a lazy generalisation

I repeat ... it was a headline and clearly did not imply ALL catholic parents. Not even I would be that daft!

The headline clearly does imply this, a headline which you chose as the title of the OP and which is not in quotation marks so reads as the clear implication of the thread

[Owlswing]

But she clearly, as does the male (not the son), she is following her God's commands and instructions and as far as she is concerned the boy is not only disobeying her but her God!

They think if he acts upon his sexual attractions he'll be committing sin - I get that. I disagree, but I get that.

If she wants him to resist, though, he's going to need support, and he's not going to feel like he's got that from them.

Sex outside of marriage is a sin for anyone, masturbation is a sin for anyone, pornography is a sin for anyone, but her other children didn't have their doors removed or their entitlement to a phone curtailed.

She has failed to accept or love her son for what he is, sinner or no. That's unfathomable to me, way beyond the crazy idea of 'sin'.

O.

Agreed

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How can religion cause parents to be so heartless in the treatment of their children?

I don't quite see what the problem is. They've done nothing "wicked".

Yes they have.

By their every action they are telling their child that there is something wrong with him. Please do not underestimate the effect on a young persons self esteem in cases  such as these. At the bottom of the article is a post about somebody taking their own life. An all too common occurence due to parents who are unable to handle the fact that their child is gay. Acceptance is key.

Well, I disagree. The patents quite naturally do not want their son to fall into sinful behaviour.

This from a poster whose Avatar is two men kissing!

The Blessed Apostles Ss. Peter and Paul greeting each other.

[Shaker]

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How can religion cause parents to be so heartless in the treatment of their children?

I don't quite see what the problem is. They've done nothing "wicked".

You don't consider making their child's life a misery, and possibly making him suicidal, wicked?  Your standards need question, ao.

If you've learned nothing else about him by now you should at least have learned that he has none.

[Nearly Sane]

Sinful behaviour is things like drinking to excess or gambling.

Not acting on  your homosexuality.

No, not even that, for any atheist. Sin is a religious term that only has traction within a religious context (sin is whatever a god is deemed not to like/disapprove of). Remove the god, and you remove the concept of sin with it.

There are wrong and bad things to do, but there are no sins; they're wrong and bad because they cause harm to other sentient creatures, not displeasure to any nonexistent gods.

The only sin is to believe in the concept of sin

[Shaker]

The Blessed Apostles Ss. Peter and Paul greeting each other.

Looks like some right old hot and heavy guy-on-guy action.

[Owlswing]

Well, I disagree. The patents quite naturally do not want their son to fall into sinful behaviour.

This from a poster whose Avatar is two men kissing!

The Blessed Apostles Ss. Peter and Paul greeting each other.

Or - if you are like the mentioned parents - a pair of poofs snogging!

See, it is all a matter of your point of view!

[Nearly Sane]

The Blessed Apostles Ss. Peter and Paul greeting each other.

Looks like some right old hot and heavy guy-on-guy action.

Preaching with tongues

[Owlswing]

The Blessed Apostles Ss. Peter and Paul greeting each other.

Looks like some right old hot and heavy guy-on-guy action.

Is this why the Pope, the direct descendent of the Apostles, wears a dress?

[Shaker]

Most male cross-dressers are straight, or so I've heard.

But then again, what do we know about Catholic clergy ... ?*

* (No, not that ...).

[floo]

'Sin' is a very silly little word which often refers to things no reasonable person would think wrong like homosexuality!

[Shaker]

'Sin' is a very silly little word which often refers to things no reasonable person would think wrong like homosexuality!

Indeed - as Saint Oscar once observed: "Wickedness is a myth invented by good people to account for the curious attractiveness of others."

[Hope]

How can religion cause parents to be so heartless in the treatment of their children?

Probably for the same reason that atheism can cause parents to be just as heartless.  My wife used to be a child-minder.  Two of the children she cared for came from a family where the mother was a mix of spirituality, and the father was a die-hard atheist.  He was determined that his son and daughter should have absolutely no interaction with anyone who had a faith; he was determined that if they didn't agree with his belief system, they would not be allowed out of their house, wouldn't get any pocket money, or enjoy any friendships.  Fortunately for them, he worked  long and often weird hours, so their mother's hours and interests tended to take precedence over her husband's.  When he discovered this, he became severely abusive to all the family, and eventually the three left him.

[Hope]

'Sin' is a very silly little word which often refers to things no reasonable person would think wrong like homosexuality!

Reasonable people regarded homosexuality as wrong for centuries.  It is only in the last 50-odd years that social attitudes have changed.  It could be argued that the number of reasonable people have dropped dramatically over that period. 

[Shaker]

Reasonable people regarded homosexuality as wrong for centuries.

What was reasonable about them?

It is only in the last 50-odd years that social attitudes have changed.

The ancient Greeks would be amazed ...

It could be argued that the number of reasonable people have dropped dramatically over that period. 

Go on then - argue it.

[OH MY WORLD!]

It is acceptable in the USA Rose, that's why Carter and Obama made it to the White House. But we can agree that your socialism isn't French socialism and American socialism isn't Brit nor French socialism. And Canadian socialism? Well we have our own brand as well. My Uncle moved back to the USA because he couldn't stand our brand. Of course that was just when things were heating up in Korea and those pinko commies started marching south.
Please don't tell me that you were taught that communism is so very right. If you do that then my love for the UK has taken a nose dive.

[Rhiannon]

There isn't really any such thing as an American version of Christianity

Really?

Yep, really. Or are you suggesting there is a specific Christian Church in the States to which all U.S. Christians belong and which they all agree with?

NS

It is quite notable that, if there is a "moderate wing" to the Christian Church in the US, it has made "keeping a low profile" into a stupendously successful form of invisibilty cloak, to the point that, to all intents and purposes, it does not appear to exist.

That's not actually true. The Episcopalian Church - the U.S. branch of the Anglican Communion - is just about the most liberal there is, allowing both female and gay bishops. Similarly the Catholic church is often bringing American monastic houses back into line for being too liberal, especially on the position of women.

There is of course a large number of vocal right-wing conservative Christians in the USA who have used politics as a way of gaining attention. Their policies though appear to be losing ground, as with the recent ruling on gay marriage.