Hiroshima 70:

[OH MY WORLD!]

Do find me those you claim are Christian and are calling for or will not be bothered by a nuclear holocaust. Do that and I will show you with scripture why they are not Christian. But I need names or congregations.

[Anchorman]

Today we remember the second bomb which was delivered to Nagasaki - centre of Christianity in Japan.

[Harrowby Hall]

Today we remember the second bomb which was delivered to Nagasaki - centre of Christianity in Japan.

The following link is to an article about the likely reason that Kyoto was omitted from the list of targets for nuclear attack.

In passing it refers to Nagasaki and the somewhat casual, incidental, almost desperate way it became a nuclear bomb target. Although the bomb used for this raid was considerably more powerful than the Hiroshima bomb, the topography of Nagasaki greatly restricted its effect.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-33755182

Nagasaki had for 200 years been just about the only place in Japan open to Europeans. It became the centre for christianity. It was the setting fro Madama Butterfly and the birthplace of Kazuo Ishiguro.

[Gonnagle]

Dear Lapsed,

My opinion, The United Kingdom/Great Britain is a very rich nation, more than enough to go around, the banking crisis we all went through, at its core, greed!!

On the subject of Trident, this country is in a position to discuss how to rid this world of all nuclear weapons, it should be discussed, it has to be a goal if we are serious about world peace.

Gonnagle.

[Sassy]

Dear Hope,

My thoughts, is God regretting the Covenant he made with Noah, now look at what his children are capable of

Gonnagle.

God tells the end from the beginning....
King James Bible
Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:

In all things God works for the greater good.
He knew these things before they happened. Look at Hitler and 7 million Jews and disabled people.
Do you not think these things serve as a warning and prevent even greater evils when nipped in the bud/


God knew that if Adam ate from the tree he would live forever in a fallen state. He removed the sin for those whom choose to live.
But God loves us and sometimes we need to understand that if Christ dying would have only saved one person he loves us enough to have let him die for the one.

Men commit a lot of evil crimes against humanity. But only God has the power over the body and soul after death. Sometimes the few die for the many. My uncle Wilfred was a prisoner of war held by the Japs. He was a mere shadow of a man when he returned. He suffered much but could never speak about the trauma he suffered. He was a skeleton when he came  home and has seen much horror. One of our curates actually got him to talk to him many years later.

But God would regret NOTHING for he has told us he works for our good and told the end from the beginning. Even when Noah was here on earth, God knew the history of man from the beginning and our choices... The book of life from the foundation of the world.

[Nearly Sane]

Praise be unto the holy bomb.

[Udayana]

Today we remember the second bomb which was delivered to Nagasaki - centre of Christianity in Japan.

The following link is to an article about the likely reason that Kyoto was omitted from the list of targets for nuclear attack.

In passing it refers to Nagasaki and the somewhat casual, incidental, almost desperate way it became a nuclear bomb target. Although the bomb used for this raid was considerably more powerful than the Hiroshima bomb, the topography of Nagasaki greatly restricted its effect.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-33755182

Nagasaki had for 200 years been just about the only place in Japan open to Europeans. It became the centre for christianity. It was the setting fro Madama Butterfly and the birthplace of Kazuo Ishiguro.

There was an interesting piece in the Times yesterday. Even on the day it was only a secondary target, selected when Kokura, that had large ammunition works, was obscured by smoke and cloud.

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/world/asia/article4520538.ece

[Harrowby Hall]

Dear Hope,

My thoughts, is God regretting the Covenant he made with Noah, now look at what his children are capable of

Gonnagle.

God tells the end from the beginning....
King James Bible
Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:

In all things God works for the greater good.
He knew these things before they happened. Look at Hitler and 7 million Jews and disabled people.
Do you not think these things serve as a warning and prevent even greater evils when nipped in the bud/


God knew that if Adam ate from the tree he would live forever in a fallen state. He removed the sin for those whom choose to live.
But God loves us and sometimes we need to understand that if Christ dying would have only saved one person he loves us enough to have let him die for the one.

.......


But God would regret NOTHING for he has told us he works for our good and told the end from the beginning. Even when Noah was here on earth, God knew the history of man from the beginning and our choices... The book of life from the foundation of the world.

Do you write this stuff yourself or do you pay someone to do it for you?

[Sassy]

Dear Hope,

My thoughts, is God regretting the Covenant he made with Noah, now look at what his children are capable of

Gonnagle.

God tells the end from the beginning....
King James Bible
Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:

In all things God works for the greater good.
He knew these things before they happened. Look at Hitler and 7 million Jews and disabled people.
Do you not think these things serve as a warning and prevent even greater evils when nipped in the bud/


God knew that if Adam ate from the tree he would live forever in a fallen state. He removed the sin for those whom choose to live.
But God loves us and sometimes we need to understand that if Christ dying would have only saved one person he loves us enough to have let him die for the one.

.......


But God would regret NOTHING for he has told us he works for our good and told the end from the beginning. Even when Noah was here on earth, God knew the history of man from the beginning and our choices... The book of life from the foundation of the world.

Do you write this stuff yourself or do you pay someone to do it for you?

If you feel you actually have a point the spit it out. Otherwise refrain from making comments which have absolutely no bearing on anything said... that is other than you showing your ignorance...

[Owlswing]

Dear Hope,

My thoughts, is God regretting the Covenant he made with Noah, now look at what his children are capable of

Gonnagle.

God tells the end from the beginning....
King James Bible
Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:

In all things God works for the greater good.
He knew these things before they happened. Look at Hitler and 7 million Jews and disabled people.
Do you not think these things serve as a warning and prevent even greater evils when nipped in the bud/


God knew that if Adam ate from the tree he would live forever in a fallen state. He removed the sin for those whom choose to live.
But God loves us and sometimes we need to understand that if Christ dying would have only saved one person he loves us enough to have let him die for the one.

.......


But God would regret NOTHING for he has told us he works for our good and told the end from the beginning. Even when Noah was here on earth, God knew the history of man from the beginning and our choices... The book of life from the foundation of the world.

Do you write this stuff yourself or do you pay someone to do it for you?

If you feel you actually have a point the spit it out. Otherwise refrain from making comments which have absolutely no bearing on anything said... that is other than you showing your ignorance...

Sassy

NOT ignorance - Disbelief!

Please learn the difference.

[Harrowby Hall]

Dear Hope,

My thoughts, is God regretting the Covenant he made with Noah, now look at what his children are capable of

Gonnagle.

God tells the end from the beginning....
King James Bible
Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:

In all things God works for the greater good.
He knew these things before they happened. Look at Hitler and 7 million Jews and disabled people.
Do you not think these things serve as a warning and prevent even greater evils when nipped in the bud/


God knew that if Adam ate from the tree he would live forever in a fallen state. He removed the sin for those whom choose to live.
But God loves us and sometimes we need to understand that if Christ dying would have only saved one person he loves us enough to have let him die for the one.

.......


But God would regret NOTHING for he has told us he works for our good and told the end from the beginning. Even when Noah was here on earth, God knew the history of man from the beginning and our choices... The book of life from the foundation of the world.

Do you write this stuff yourself or do you pay someone to do it for you?

If you feel you actually have a point the spit it out. Otherwise refrain from making comments which have absolutely no bearing on anything said... that is other than you showing your ignorance...

Sassy

From the little I know of you, you appear to be a caring person. you make occasional reference to your circumstances which make great demands on you. You appear to be a model of a person who has adopted the culture of christianity. I like to think that I, too, organise my relationships with my fellow humans according to the principles outlined in the parable of the Good Samaritan and the Sermon on the Mount.

But it is at this point that our outlooks part: I recognise that most of the bible is fiction, little more than a collection of myths, legends and fairy tales fabricated around camp fires and plagiarised from other cultures. You accept the lot with total credulity.

God never spoke to Adam - because neither of them ever existed. Noah was never "here on earth" because there never was a Noah or a flood. The great deluge is a myth stolen from a similar, Babylonian, fairy tale: The Epic of Gilgamesh.

Nobody want you to stop holding your particular beliefs. That's your privilege and your right, but you should not be surprised if they are questioned when they are aired in a public place. To accuse someone who does not share them of ignorance, however, is not particularly wise.

[Sassy]

Dear Hope,

My thoughts, is God regretting the Covenant he made with Noah, now look at what his children are capable of

Gonnagle.

God tells the end from the beginning....
King James Bible
Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:

In all things God works for the greater good.
He knew these things before they happened. Look at Hitler and 7 million Jews and disabled people.
Do you not think these things serve as a warning and prevent even greater evils when nipped in the bud/


God knew that if Adam ate from the tree he would live forever in a fallen state. He removed the sin for those whom choose to live.
But God loves us and sometimes we need to understand that if Christ dying would have only saved one person he loves us enough to have let him die for the one.

.......


But God would regret NOTHING for he has told us he works for our good and told the end from the beginning. Even when Noah was here on earth, God knew the history of man from the beginning and our choices... The book of life from the foundation of the world.

Do you write this stuff yourself or do you pay someone to do it for you?

If you feel you actually have a point the spit it out. Otherwise refrain from making comments which have absolutely no bearing on anything said... that is other than you showing your ignorance...

Sassy

NOT ignorance - Disbelief!

Please learn the difference.

CORRECTION;

Gonnagle, professes to be a believer...

Whereas HH,

Dismissed what I said as if not biblical.

Had he not been ignorant to the teachings of the bible he would NOT have made the statement he did.

Had nothing to to with disbelief it was ignorance. Had it just been disbelief, he would have said he did not believe what the bible said about God, not made a personal remark about the contents coming from myself or some other person.

I understood what I was replying to... how come you didn't.

[Sassy]

Dear Hope,

My thoughts, is God regretting the Covenant he made with Noah, now look at what his children are capable of

Gonnagle.

God tells the end from the beginning....
King James Bible
Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:

In all things God works for the greater good.
He knew these things before they happened. Look at Hitler and 7 million Jews and disabled people.
Do you not think these things serve as a warning and prevent even greater evils when nipped in the bud/


God knew that if Adam ate from the tree he would live forever in a fallen state. He removed the sin for those whom choose to live.
But God loves us and sometimes we need to understand that if Christ dying would have only saved one person he loves us enough to have let him die for the one.

.......


But God would regret NOTHING for he has told us he works for our good and told the end from the beginning. Even when Noah was here on earth, God knew the history of man from the beginning and our choices... The book of life from the foundation of the world.

Do you write this stuff yourself or do you pay someone to do it for you?

If you feel you actually have a point the spit it out. Otherwise refrain from making comments which have absolutely no bearing on anything said... that is other than you showing your ignorance...

Sassy

From the little I know of you, you appear to be a caring person. you make occasional reference to your circumstances which make great demands on you. You appear to be a model of a person who has adopted the culture of christianity. I like to think that I, too, organise my relationships with my fellow humans according to the principles outlined in the parable of the Good Samaritan and the Sermon on the Mount.

But it is at this point that our outlooks part: I recognise that most of the bible is fiction, little more than a collection of myths, legends and fairy tales fabricated around camp fires and plagiarised from other cultures. You accept the lot with total credulity.

God never spoke to Adam - because neither of them ever existed. Noah was never "here on earth" because there never was a Noah or a flood. The great deluge is a myth stolen from a similar, Babylonian, fairy tale: The Epic of Gilgamesh.

Nobody want you to stop holding your particular beliefs. That's your privilege and your right, but you should not be surprised if they are questioned when they are aired in a public place. To accuse someone who does not share them of ignorance, however, is not particularly wise.

Both Abraham and Noah were ancestors of Jesus Christ.
Both Christ and the Jews knew Abraham existed because the circumcision and covenant made handed down from Abraham.

Maybe you need to understand that the bible is true for many reasons and one reason is that Christ and Abraham both existed and without Noah then none of them could have existed.

My belief in the word of God is based on God himself and him being part of my life. I probably have a closer relationship with God because I don't trust mankind full-stop.

But the bible in the OT is the word of God. But the bible is clear that the word is a pathway to God and that all men know God through the presence of his Holy Spirit.
God isn't a liar... as humans we can all be liars and we can all sin.
But God never does any of those things. The bible is not myth or fiction and if you followed the pathways too... you would know and learn that for yourself. No need for anyone else to teach or tell you.

We may get things wrong and do wrong...but the truth about God is a solid and firm foundation which seeks to show us our wrong and return us to our rightful place with God.

[Gonnagle]

Dear Sass,

It is quite clear that you are a Bible believing Christian, God gave you a wonderful gift, do not waste it.

Oh and that Einstein quote, lot of truth in that quote.

Gonnagle.

[Owlswing]

Dear Hope,

My thoughts, is God regretting the Covenant he made with Noah, now look at what his children are capable of

Gonnagle.

God tells the end from the beginning....
King James Bible
Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:

In all things God works for the greater good.
He knew these things before they happened. Look at Hitler and 7 million Jews and disabled people.
Do you not think these things serve as a warning and prevent even greater evils when nipped in the bud/


God knew that if Adam ate from the tree he would live forever in a fallen state. He removed the sin for those whom choose to live.
But God loves us and sometimes we need to understand that if Christ dying would have only saved one person he loves us enough to have let him die for the one.

.......


But God would regret NOTHING for he has told us he works for our good and told the end from the beginning. Even when Noah was here on earth, God knew the history of man from the beginning and our choices... The book of life from the foundation of the world.

Do you write this stuff yourself or do you pay someone to do it for you?

If you feel you actually have a point the spit it out. Otherwise refrain from making comments which have absolutely no bearing on anything said... that is other than you showing your ignorance...

Sassy

NOT ignorance - Disbelief!

Please learn the difference.

CORRECTION;

Gonnagle, professes to be a believer...

Whereas HH,

Dismissed what I said as if not biblical.

Had he not been ignorant to the teachings of the bible he would NOT have made the statement he did.

Had nothing to to with disbelief it was ignorance. Had it just been disbelief, he would have said he did not believe what the bible said about God, not made a personal remark about the contents coming from myself or some other person.

I understood what I was replying to... how come you didn't.

When it comes to criticism of tyhe basis of your beliefs you understand NOTHING! That is your problem!

[Harrowby Hall]

Hi Sassy

This biblical scholarship is fascinating.

Both Abraham and Noah were ancestors of Jesus Christ.

For the time being, we'll forget about Noah, and just look at the ancestry of Jesus. The Bible gives the genealogy of Jesus and, just as you say, he was descended from Abraham in a direct line of descent through 42 generations.

According to Archbishop Ussher, Abraham lived about 1900 years before Jesus. This means that the average age of each of the ancestors in the line of descent was about 45 at the time of the relevent conception. Seems a bit old, to me but we'll accept it. And because they were so relatively old it is also likely that  several older siblings had already been produced - it was before the days of Marie Stopes, after all.

Anyway, let's assume that each of these patriarchs had just two children, and that each child had just two children. And of course, we know that Abraham only had one because the Bible says so - so that means wear looking at the progeny of 41 generations.

So 2 raised to the 41st power is:

       1,199,020,000,000

Abraham's potential issue over 41 generations would be 1.19 trillion. That's more than a hundred times the present population of the planet.

No wonder Jesus could clain descent from Abraham. So could everyone else, including all the apostles, Judas Iscariot (ok so he was one of the apostles anyway) Herod Antipas and Pontius Pilate as well.

Both Christ and the Jews knew Abraham existed because the circumcision and covenant made handed down from Abraham.

I suspect that ritualised male genital mutilation had alrady been around for a long time.

Maybe you need to understand that the bible is true for many reasons and one reason is that Christ and Abraham both existed and without Noah then none of them could have existed.

There is no evidence that any of them existed. There are stories about them contained in the Bible. Using this argument I can say that Dumbledore and Ron Weasley both existed.


Now, I fear that we have derailed a topic about a very serious and meaningful subject. Let's get back to Hiroshima.

[Owlswing]

Using this argument I can say that Dumbledore and Ron Weasley both existed.

ARRGGGHH!! You mean that they didn't? I am totally and terminally devastated. My world is now falling apart.