Mary

[floo]

"injecting" children. This is what every Marxist state does. They have children so screwed up they become the government's little spies in the home. Indoctrinated children, willing to report on their own parents political and religious opinions and activities.

As do extremist theists!

Mind you, children should be encouraged to report their parents if they are being abused by them in any way!

[Hope]

No, I will not. I am entitled to be a member here as much as you are and to post as I see fit so long as I remain within the terms of the house rules as maintained and enforced by the moderation team. That means that I will not be going away, I will not be shutting up, I will not be keeping silent, I will not be ceasing to challenge, criticise, mock, point and stare at, fold, spindle, mutilate and generally piss all over idiotic and irrational balls, bullshit, bollocks and poppycock wherever I find it.

Whilst I fully agree with the sentiments you express here, Shaker, you need to remember that others here will just as vigorously "challenge, criticise, mock, point and stare at, fold, spindle, mutilate and generally piss all over idiotic and irrational balls, bullshit, bollocks and poppycock" when they believe it is emanating from your good self.

[Rhiannon]

Dear ippy,

Fair enough, maybe secular is the wrong word, but I know what I am talking about.

The child must be indoctrinated, like the two times table, the Second Greatest Commandment must be drummed into them, never mind the God stuff, they can make their own minds up about that.

Dear Rhiannon,

Oh I know it is not all doom and gloom, but priorities must shift in schools, the real Important stuff must be taught and teaching any child to love thy neighbour is one of the real important lessons, it must become second nature, that is how we will defeat greed and poverty.

Gonnagle.

Gonnagle.

What makes you think it isn't taught in schools? The problem is that it isn't taught in enough homes, and it isn't given enough prominence in our media.

[floo]

What does loving one's neighbour actually mean?

[ippy]

Dear ippy,

Fair enough, maybe secular is the wrong word, but I know what I am talking about.

The child must be indoctrinated, like the two times table, the Second Greatest Commandment must be drummed into them, never mind the God stuff, they can make their own minds up about that.

Dear Rhiannon,

Oh I know it is not all doom and gloom, but priorities must shift in schools, the real Important stuff must be taught and teaching any child to love thy neighbour is one of the real important lessons, it must become second nature, that is how we will defeat greed and poverty.

Gonnagle.

Gonnagle.

Instilling the get on with your neighbours etc into the minds of our school children, I can't see any problem with that but why is religion necessary to be able to teach such things, my lads at home have had these ideals presented to them and as far as I can tell they have adopted them and certainly without a religious input, we don't do religion here, it's not wanted or needed.

It's to do with privilege no one group should have a privileged position anywhere certainly not within our school system, including secular humanism.

ippy

[Hope]

What does loving one's neighbour actually mean?

Originally, the Jews were told to love/care for/support those who loved/cared for/supported them.  Jesus took this to a different level by telling his followers to love those who lived around them - who might not all love/care for/support them.

[OH MY WORLD!]

Floo, so you agree with me, that's good cause I find it strange that Shaker points his puffy finger about injecting children and his beloved Marxist are the biggest abusers. Marxists use dead old Karl as their example of good parenting.

[floo]

What does loving one's neighbour actually mean?

Originally, the Jews were told to love/care for/support those who loved/cared for/supported them.  Jesus took this to a different level by telling his followers to love those who lived around them - who might not all love/care for/support them.

If by 'love' you mean respect, then I respect those who deserve respect. I try to be a good neighbour, and get on with those in my immediate neighbourhood.

[Anchorman]

What does loving one's neighbour actually mean?

-
You claim to have read the Bible.
Last time I checked, Jesus' parable of the Good Samaritan was still in it.

[floo]

What does loving one's neighbour actually mean?

-
You claim to have read the Bible.
Last time I checked, Jesus' parable of the Good Samaritan was still in it.

I have read it, but what I don't understand the word 'love' in respect of one's neighbours. Surely 'love' is reserved for people you like very much indeed, not all and sundry? I understand that one should try to help others along the way, and I try to do that, but I don't 'love' everyone.

[Anchorman]

The idea that a Jew should care for a Samaritan was scandalous to any Pharisee or Sadducee, Floo.
Jesus makes it abundantly clear that our neighnbours aren't just the bloke next door - or the bloke in church - theyre the ones who are supposed to be our enimies as well.
A bit like going to the aid of an injured terrorist.
That's the kind of thing Jesus calls us to do, if we claim to follow Him.
No-one said it was easy.
It isn't meant to be.

[floo]

The idea that a Jew should care for a Samaritan was scandalous to any Pharisee or Sadducee, Floo.
Jesus makes it abundantly clear that our neighnbours aren't just the bloke next door - or the bloke in church - theyre the ones who are supposed to be our enimies as well.
A bit like going to the aid of an injured terrorist.
That's the kind of thing Jesus calls us to do, if we claim to follow Him.
No-one said it was easy.
It isn't meant to be.

And how many Christians 'love' their enemies? Judging by the reaction of some Christians on this forum they don't seem to love or respect many people, enemies or not!

[Anchorman]

That's not for me to judge.

[floo]

That's not for me to judge.

Maybe not, but whilst I don't see it your way, at least you seem to be one of the good guys!

[Owlswing]

The 11th Commandment

Hope is NEVER wrong and NEVER contradicts himself and his eperiences are the Holy Writ of the Meads and Persiens carved in stone and immutable in law.

[ippy]

The 11th Commandment

Hoper is NEVER wrong and NEVER contradicts himself and his eperiences are the Holy Writ of the Meads and Persiens carved in stone and immutable in law.

Hope did misread a part of a post I made a couple of days ago and admitted as much in a post he made back to me, with an apology.

ippy

[Owlswing]

The 11th Commandment

Hoper is NEVER wrong and NEVER contradicts himself and his eperiences are the Holy Writ of the Meads and Persiens carved in stone and immutable in law.

Hope did misread a part of a post I made a couple of days ago and admitted as much in a post he made back to me, with an apology.

ippy

Red letter day!

That kind of error, yes, he wll  admit, but errors of interpretation or of the meaning of the bible - never/

[BashfulAnthony]

What does loving one's neighbour actually mean?

You claim to have read the New Testament over and over, and you do not know what one of its basic tenets means.  You have the childish, naive, view that any Christian who disagrees with you, or contradicts you, is un-Chtistian.   I don't think, in my world, it's possible to dislike someone who is a name on a forum.

[Owlswing]

What does loving one's neighbour actually mean?

You claim to have read the New Testament over and over, and you do not know what one of its basic tenets means.  You have the childish, naive, view that any Christian who disagrees with you, or contradicts you, is un-Chtistian.   I don't think, in my world, it's possible to dislike someone who is a name on a forum.

Agreed, but you are living, breathing (presumably) proof that it IS possible to dislike their ideas, attitudes and beliefs.

[Hope]

... and his eperiences are the Holy Writ of the Meads and Persiens carved in stone and immutable in law.

Meads and Persians?     

[Shaker]

You have the childish, naive, view that any Christian who disagrees with you, or contradicts you, is un-Chtistian.

... which, as we all know, is usually reserved for Christians.

[Hope]

You have the childish, naive, view that any Christian who disagrees with you, or contradicts you, is un-Chtistian.

... which, as we all know, is usually reserved for Christians.

I like the humour, Shaker   

[Shaker]

Alas it wasn't, nor was it meant to be, humorous (have you been drinking?), but a sad reflection on the tendency of religionists - monotheists especially - to regard anyone nominally of the same religious persuasion but of a different interpretation as a heretic, or not even a member of the faith at all.

Ad_orientem has built a posting career out of it, for example.

[Owlswing]

... and his eperiences are the Holy Writ of the Meads and Persiens carved in stone and immutable in law.

Meads and Persians?   

OH SSSSSS SORRY! Did I make A typo little Mr Bleedin' Perfect!

This should read "Medes and Persians" - "according to the Holy writ of the Medes and Persians" was an expression of my mother's - "according to the Holy Writ of the Medes and Persians with dots on all the 'I's', crosses on the 't's' and tails on the 'q's'."

It means a job cpmpleted to perfection.

[Hope]

Alas it wasn't, nor was it meant to be, humorous (have you been drinking?), but a sad reflection on the tendency of religionists - monotheists especially - to regard anyone nominally of the same religious persuasion but of a different interpretation as a heretic, or not even a member of the faith at all.

Ad_orientem has built a posting career out of it, for example.

I wouldn't regard ad_o's approach to be typical of most modern theists, Shaker.  Hence my assumption that you were making a joke.  If you weren't, I'll beg your forgiveness and say how sad I am that this is your opinion. 

Oh, by the way, yes I had been drinking - a glass of Tesco's Bitter Shandy: very refreshing, especially after this morning's interview.