Mary

[ippy]

I wouldn't regard ad_o's approach to be typical of most modern theists

You'll have to expand on that, mate, because I would reject such a notion, or are you going to go into another one of your "the ancients thought this and that" nonsense without anything to back it up?

He's not modern to start with, come to that none of you theist are.

ippy

[ad_orientem]

I wouldn't regard ad_o's approach to be typical of most modern theists

You'll have to expand on that, mate, because I would reject such a notion, or are you going to go into another one of your "the ancients thought this and that" nonsense without anything to back it up?

He's not modern to start with, come to that none of you theist are.

ippy

Read Hope's post wrong. That will teach me to read thngs properly. Therefore I agree with Hope. Sorry Hope.

[Hope]

He's not modern to start with, come to that none of you theist are.

ippy

If, as some academics like to say, religion is a late arrival on the hunman calendar and everyone was effectively an atheist before that, then at least we're more modern than you atheists, ippy.  Some even like to suggest that: "adhering to evolutionary framework, societies passed through different stages of development and from simplicity to complexity is the nature of social progress."http://www.sociologyguide.com/religion/index.php

If these two things are true, it would suggest that modern atheism is a slipping back into the simple, less-developed ways of thinking!!    

[Shaker]

And your evidence for these assertions is ... ?

[OH MY WORLD!]

You peaked in 1970 Shaker. (snork)

http://www.science20.com/writer_on_the_edge/blog/atheism_peaks_while_spiritual_groups_move_toward_convergence-156528

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/04/03/why-people-with-no-religion-are-projected-to-decline-as-a-share-of-the-worlds-population/

[Hope]

And your evidence for these assertions is ... ?

I assume this is addressed to me.  Evidence is in the site I referenced in my last post.

[Shaker]

I assume this is addressed to me.

Yes, since it's one of your pet phrases that you like to throw around despite not substantiating any of your own assertions - such as the "good reasons" why "homosexuality was viewed with revulsion through history and across cultures" for example.

Evidence is in the site I referenced in my last post.

All I could find was:

If, as some academics like to say ... Some even like to suggest ... If these two things are true, it would suggest

[floo]

It would appear that Hope doesn't seem to understand the meaning of the word EVIDENCE!

[Shaker]

It would appear that Hope doesn't seem to understand the meaning of the word EVIDENCE!

Yes, but then there are a lot of words he doesn't know the meaning of.

[Anchorman]

It would appear that Hope doesn't seem to understand the meaning of the word EVIDENCE!

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IRONY ALERT...........

[floo]

It would appear that Hope doesn't seem to understand the meaning of the word EVIDENCE!

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IRONY ALERT...........

Well dear have you any verifiable evidence to support your belief system? No I thought not!

[BashfulAnthony]

Oh, come on you atheist obsessionists!  Today's boring comments are just too sad.  If you can't think of anything new, just go back to your little upstairs rooms, and continue to pretend people actually give a hoot what you say.

[Anchorman]

It would appear that Hope doesn't seem to understand the meaning of the word EVIDENCE!

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IRONY ALERT...........

Well dear have you any verifiable evidence to support your belief system? No I thought not!

Hold it.
When, on umpteen occasions, I have asked you to produce evidence to back up your opinions, evidence was there none.

There are numerous tie ins between the OT and the outside world, verified - literally - in stone, by other civilisations (guess which ones....).
As for the NT, Alan, amongst others, has provided links to sources which are not Christian, but mention Christ.

[Gonnagle]

Dear Jim,

The good lady asks for verifiable evidence, something you can put under a microscope, amputee's limbs growing again, big finger in the sky stuff.

Billions of Christians who have found salvation doesn't count, millions of people who have turned from a life of crime doesn't count, millions who at this very moment are working with our sick, our poor, those in poverty does not count.

Just because it works is not evidence.

Gonnagle.

[floo]

It would appear that Hope doesn't seem to understand the meaning of the word EVIDENCE!

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IRONY ALERT...........

Well dear have you any verifiable evidence to support your belief system? No I thought not!

Hold it.
When, on umpteen occasions, I have asked you to produce evidence to back up your opinions, evidence was there none.

There are numerous tie ins between the OT and the outside world, verified - literally - in stone, by other civilisations (guess which ones....).
As for the NT, Alan, amongst others, has provided links to sources which are not Christian, but mention Christ.

I don't have to prove a negative, anymore than I don't have to prove there are no fairies at the bottom of my garden. It is for those making less than credible claims for that guy Jesus who have to put up or shut up!

[Hope]

I don't have to prove a negative, anymore than I don't have to prove there are no fairies at the bottom of my garden. It is for those making less than credible claims for that guy Jesus who have to put up or shut up!

Floo, you do have to 'prove a negative', when the negative is an assertion you have made that states that evidence that has been placed on this forum doesn't exist.  Jim has but given some examples.

[floo]

I don't have to prove a negative, anymore than I don't have to prove there are no fairies at the bottom of my garden. It is for those making less than credible claims for that guy Jesus who have to put up or shut up!

Floo, you do have to 'prove a negative', when the negative is an assertion you have made that states that evidence that has been placed on this forum doesn't exist.  Jim has but given some examples.

WHAT EVIDENCE? None that is verifiable has been placed on this forum because none exists!

[Nearly Sane]

I don't have to prove a negative, anymore than I don't have to prove there are no fairies at the bottom of my garden. It is for those making less than credible claims for that guy Jesus who have to put up or shut up!

Floo, you do have to 'prove a negative', when the negative is an assertion you have made that states that evidence that has been placed on this forum doesn't exist.  Jim has but given some examples.

How would one go about proving this negative?

[floo]

Proving the fanciful stuff in the Bible is true isn't going to happen, imo. As I have said a good many times before the Harry Potter books are as credible as the Bible. Although the difference is that the goodies and the baddies are clearly defined in HP, whereas in the not so good book often the goodies are really baddies!

[jeremyp]

Hold it.
When, on umpteen occasions, I have asked you to produce evidence to back up your opinions, evidence was there none.

There are numerous tie ins between the OT and the outside world, verified - literally - in stone, by other civilisations (guess which ones....).
As for the NT, Alan, amongst others, has provided links to sources which are not Christian, but mention Christ.

Hold it.

Floo's ability or inability to produce evidence for various of her beliefs has no bearing on Hope's inability to understand what the word "evidence" means.

[Dicky Underpants]

There are numerous tie ins between the OT and the outside world, verified - literally - in stone, by other civilisations (guess which ones....).
As for the NT, Alan, amongst others, has provided links to sources which are not Christian, but mention Christ.

Yes, but items such as the Prism of Sennacherib (whose details of the siege in question differ somewhat from the Biblical account) do nothing to substantiate the supernatural claims of the Bible (indeed, the Prism says nothing about the 'Angel' which was supposed to have relieved the siege - what a surprise). Archaelogical evidence is one thing, but supernatural evidence?

[Anchorman]

There are numerous tie ins between the OT and the outside world, verified - literally - in stone, by other civilisations (guess which ones....).
As for the NT, Alan, amongst others, has provided links to sources which are not Christian, but mention Christ.

Yes, but items such as the Prism of Sennacherib (whose details of the siege in question differ somewhat from the Biblical account) do nothing to substantiate the supernatural claims of the Bible (indeed, the Prism says nothing about the 'Angel' which was supposed to have relieved the siege - what a surprise). Archaelogical evidence is one thing, but supernatural evidence?

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Who mentioned Sennacharib?

[Dicky Underpants]

There are numerous tie ins between the OT and the outside world, verified - literally - in stone, by other civilisations (guess which ones....).
As for the NT, Alan, amongst others, has provided links to sources which are not Christian, but mention Christ.

Yes, but items such as the Prism of Sennacherib (whose details of the siege in question differ somewhat from the Biblical account) do nothing to substantiate the supernatural claims of the Bible (indeed, the Prism says nothing about the 'Angel' which was supposed to have relieved the siege - what a surprise). Archaelogical evidence is one thing, but supernatural evidence?

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Who mentioned Sennacharib?

Old Testament? Tie-ins in stone with other civilisations? I was giving a very pertinent example of the kind of thing you appeared to be referring to.

[ippy]

Dear Jim,

The good lady asks for verifiable evidence, something you can put under a microscope, amputee's limbs growing again, big finger in the sky stuff.

Billions of Christians who have found salvation doesn't count, millions of people who have turned from a life of crime doesn't count, millions who at this very moment are working with our sick, our poor, those in poverty does not count.

Just because it works is not evidence.

Gonnagle.

Gonners, "Billions of Christians who have found salvation", Billions of Christians have convinced themselves in their imaginations that they have found some kind of salvation, they are all unable to substantiate that they have.

ippy

[BashfulAnthony]

Dear Jim,

The good lady asks for verifiable evidence, something you can put under a microscope, amputee's limbs growing again, big finger in the sky stuff.

Billions of Christians who have found salvation doesn't count, millions of people who have turned from a life of crime doesn't count, millions who at this very moment are working with our sick, our poor, those in poverty does not count.

Just because it works is not evidence.

Gonnagle.

Gonners, "Billions of Christians who have found salvation", Billions of Christians have convinced themselves in their imaginations that they have found some kind of salvation, they are all unable to substantiate that they have.

ippy

Your constant and obsessive belittling of Christians is offensive and immature, in the extreme.