Killing of Farkhunda

[dadvokat]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b06648bx/our-world-the-killing-of-farkhunda

The 'peaceful' religion at work.

people turned into savages by religion?

[dadvokat]

No.

It's showing the darker side of human nature which rears its head now and again.

It was started by a spiteful old man who was unable to take criticism and carried on by a mob mentality bolstered along by hatred and prejudice.

It's a bit like years ago in history when any young girl could find herself accused of witchcraft or sorcery, perhaps she was just to pretty for some.

Some people are nasty and want to deliberately hurt others so they spread lies about them, they are in effect poisonious gossipers hiding in the background working up others to do that which they are actually to cowardly to do themselves.

There will always be your spiteful old gossipy caretakers in any society, all it takes is for them to be able to ride on other people's fears and hatred.

That caretaker has  a lot to answer for, and IMO he should have been the one hauled up in court.

He's the little drop of poison.

Not the religion, but him personally.

Pity no one held him accountable.

It shows how just a little drop of poison can influence us all and how we should stop ourselves before we believe Ill of another human being.

We can all be manipulated by the little drop of poison if it presented in a certain way.

It's something to learn from and to stop and think before jumping on a bandwagon with everyone else.

And Julie would there have been the same reaction in christian countries if the same accusation of falsely burning the bible had been made in a public place? If not why not?

News reported today.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-33833385

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/08/saudi-citizen-carried-mosque-suicide-blast-150808172553868.html

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/08/taliban-truck-bomber-kills-people-afghanistan-150806055127072.html

[dadvokat]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blasphemy_law_in_Pakistan

So Pakistan is a Christian country now Julie?

one swallow does not a summer make...

[dadvokat]

Comparing oranges and apples but then you have never been able to make a logical coherent point. Your example is not equivalent to a public lynching due to a perceived religious insult. Back to googling for some more idiotic examples...

[Hope]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b06648bx/our-world-the-killing-of-farkhunda

The 'peaceful' religion at work.

people turned into savages by religion?

D, the fact that Farkhunda was a religious scholar would suggest that her murder was for reasons other than religion.

[Udayana]

Obviously here the murder was caused over a religious issue so was entirely unnecessary. The religion should discourage rather than encourage such emotional attachment to symbols or symbolic acts.

Apart from the religious aspect such mob behaviour is to be expected where law and order have not been established or where they are distrusted due to inefficiency and corruption.

[Leonard James]

If the mullah guilty of the lie that brought about this woman's death has not been defrocked and removed from office, it is a corrupt religion.

[Hope]

If the mullah guilty of the lie that brought about this woman's death has not been defrocked and removed from office, it is a corrupt religion.

Which mullah would that have been, Len.  The video refers to a caretaker, not a mullah.  About mid-programme, it is also made clear that several imams who made post hoc comments in support of the killing retracted these coments later - AFTER they had been sacked from their posts.

Not sure how or even whether an imam can be 'defrocked'.

[Leonard James]

If the mullah guilty of the lie that brought about this woman's death has not been defrocked and removed from office, it is a corrupt religion.

Which mullah would that have been, Len.  The video refers to a caretaker, not a mullah.  About mid-programme, it is also made clear that several imams who made post hoc comments in support of the killing retracted these coments later - AFTER they had been sacked from their posts.

Not sure how or even whether an imam can be 'defrocked'.

Farkhunda had previously been arguing with a mullah named Zainuddin, in front of a mosque where she worked as a religious teacher,[3] about his practice of selling charms at the Shah-Do Shamshira Mosque, the Shrine of the King of Two Swords,[

I don't know how well wiki can be relied on but this is the guy she was arguing with and who accused her of burning the Koran.

[Hope]

Farkhunda had previously been arguing with a mullah named Zainuddin, in front of a mosque where she worked as a religious teacher,

[3] about his practice of selling charms at the Shah-Do Shamshira Mosque, the Shrine of the King of Two Swords,

I don't know how well wiki can be relied on but this is the guy she was arguing with and who accused her of burning the Koran.

Thanks for that, Len; I took it that you were somehow extrapolating the information from the BBC programme linked to in the OP, where the person she argued with is referred to as a 'caretaker'

[Leonard James]

Thanks for that, Len; I took it that you were somehow extrapolating the information from the BBC programme linked to in the OP, where the person she argued with is referred to as a 'caretaker'

I suppose you could argue that a mullah is a caretaker of sorts ... tending the sheep! 

[Hope]

Thanks for that, Len; I took it that you were somehow extrapolating the information from the BBC programme linked to in the OP, where the person she argued with is referred to as a 'caretaker'

I suppose you could argue that a mullah is a caretaker of sorts ... tending the sheep! 

You could well do, but the BBC is usually pretty careful about getting terminology correct.

[Leonard James]

Thanks for that, Len; I took it that you were somehow extrapolating the information from the BBC programme linked to in the OP, where the person she argued with is referred to as a 'caretaker'

I suppose you could argue that a mullah is a caretaker of sorts ... tending the sheep! 

You could well do, but the BBC is usually pretty careful about getting terminology correct.

Well then, maybe all the facts hadn't come to light at the time of the broadcast.

It doesn't really matter though ... there isn't really much we can do about these religious nuts except keep an eye on them.

[dadvokat]

Comparing oranges and apples but then you have never been able to make a logical coherent point. Your example is not equivalent to a public lynching due to a perceived religious insult. Back to googling for some more idiotic examples...

I think it is more you have never been able to understand a logical coherent point, when it revolves around anything, that involves one of your prejudices.

 

So you couldn't find any examples of Christian mobs lynching someone for allegedly burning a bible ?

I suppose in your eyes none of these had anything to do with adherents of a particular religion:

9/11, 7/7, lee rigby killing, Bali, Madrid, Mumbai 26/11, Iraq suicide bombings, beslan school siege,  Sharma el sheikh, Tunisia, West gate mall Nairobi, Pakistan Shia and Sufi mosque attacks, etc

Can you find equivalent number of terrorist atrocities committed in the name of any other religious grouping? And of course you do not think IS are all bad Inspite of their
Killing of gays, rape and murder of Yazidis and Shias. Nothing to do with Islam, of course.

As wooly headed as ever eh Julie?

[dadvokat]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b06648bx/our-world-the-killing-of-farkhunda

The 'peaceful' religion at work.

people turned into savages by religion?

D, the fact that Farkhunda was a religious scholar would suggest that her murder was for reasons other than religion.

I thought the program was quite clear that she was falsely accused of burning a Koran and that's why she was lynched. Must say I just couldn't finish watching the program as I felt sick esp when her bloody and battered body was shown. How fecking brave do yOu have to be to beat a defenceless woman to a pulp? Savagery in the name of religion.

Since the 90's around 60 people accused of blasphemy in Pakistan have been murdered.

[Hope]

So you couldn't find any examples of Christian mobs lynching someone for allegedly burning a bible ?

Have you?  It's perhaps worth remembering that Christians don't regard the Bible in the same way as Muslims do the Qu'ran, so would be far less likely to lynch anyone for burning a Bible.  In fact, I suspect that more Americans (Christians and non-Christians) would lynch someone for burning the Stars and Stripes than a Bible.

[dadvokat]

So you haven't been able to post an intelligent response and have resorted to parrot like accusations. Ah well, Julie you can withdraw back to la la land. Do post something sensible when you are able to engage in intelligent conversation. I won't be holding my breath..

[trippymonkey]

The sooner this kind of mindless brain-washing is sent down the filthiest sewer the better.
Mob mentality is awful.

Rose
You really MUST read the history of Islam & how it's forced its way around the world.
We're now seeing it in its worst form.

The video was one of the most repulsive things I've ever seen. ALL men it seems doing this to a helpless woman.
DISGUSTING !!!!!

[Leonard James]

This woman loved Islam, just remember that, when you use her as an excuse to bash Islam.

Her murderer loved Islam too, just remember that ... but his interpretation of it was different to hers, so he lied and provoked her dreadful murder.

Do you really not see what evil acts belief in non-existent gods can cause? 

[Nearly Sane]

This woman loved Islam, just remember that, when you use her as an excuse to bash Islam.

Her murderer loved Islam too, just remember that ... but his interpretation of it was different to hers, so he lied and provoked her dreadful murder.

Do you really not see what evil acts belief in non-existent gods can cause? 

You want to ban creationists from teaching even if they don't mention they are creationist. That sort of thought crime approach seems an evil act to me in the name of your non god.

[Leonard James]

This woman loved Islam, just remember that, when you use her as an excuse to bash Islam.

Her murderer loved Islam too, just remember that ... but his interpretation of it was different to hers, so he lied and provoked her dreadful murder.

Do you really not see what evil acts belief in non-existent gods can cause? 

You want to ban creationists from teaching even if they don't mention they are creationist. That sort of thought crime approach seems an evil act to me in the name of your non god.

?

If you put that in reasonably simple English I will try to answer. Where did I say anything about banning?

[ekim]

There are the manipulators and the manipulated.  Some manipulators will use whatever means necessary to control the manipulated and silence opposition and it often ends in -ism e.g. theism, atheism, communism, nationalism, racism, capitalism, consumerism, tribalism and with the aid of the scientists and technologists the silencing is more efficiently achieved.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

This woman loved Islam, just remember that, when you use her as an excuse to bash Islam.

Her murderer loved Islam too, just remember that ... but his interpretation of it was different to hers, so he lied and provoked her dreadful murder.

Do you really not see what evil acts belief in non-existent gods can cause? 

And of course, there are never any murders in western society eh, Len?

[Leonard James]

This woman loved Islam, just remember that, when you use her as an excuse to bash Islam.

Her murderer loved Islam too, just remember that ... but his interpretation of it was different to hers, so he lied and provoked her dreadful murder.

Do you really not see what evil acts belief in non-existent gods can cause? 

And of course, there are never any murders in western society eh, Len?

Of course there are, but very few of them are due to daft religious beliefs, although they have been in past, unenlightened times.

I thought an intelligent person like yourself would have seen the difference. I'm sorry to see I was mistaken.

[dadvokat]

Obviously here the murder was caused over a religious issue so was entirely unnecessary. The religion should discourage rather than encourage such emotional attachment to symbols or symbolic acts.

Apart from the religious aspect such mob behaviour is to be expected where law and order have not been established or where they are distrusted due to inefficiency and corruption.

In some societies religion still has a vice like grip on people's consciousness and any perceived slight will be met with unimaginable brutality and savagery. Religious leaders manipulate the masses by their fiery Friday sermons and will whip people up in a frenzy resulting in disorder and widespread violence.

A quote from Bertrand Russell: "Religion is something left over from the infancy of our intelligence, it will fade away as we adopt reason and science as our guidelines."