Killing of Farkhunda

[dadvokat]

So you couldn't find any examples of Christian mobs lynching someone for allegedly burning a bible ?

Have you?  It's perhaps worth remembering that Christians don't regard the Bible in the same way as Muslims do the Qu'ran, so would be far less likely to lynch anyone for burning a Bible.  In fact, I suspect that more Americans (Christians and non-Christians) would lynch someone for burning the Stars and Stripes than a Bible.

Or perhaps islam needs to go through reformation like Christianity did?

[Nearly Sane]

So you couldn't find any examples of Christian mobs lynching someone for allegedly burning a bible ?

Have you?  It's perhaps worth remembering that Christians don't regard the Bible in the same way as Muslims do the Qu'ran, so would be far less likely to lynch anyone for burning a Bible.  In fact, I suspect that more Americans (Christians and non-Christians) would lynch someone for burning the Stars and Stripes than a Bible.

Or perhaps islam needs to go through reformation like Christianity did?

Because the reformation was a hugely peaceful time. And after it the Native Americans and the Tasmanian aborigines benefitted from that reformation. If you want to indulge in simplistic historical analogies, I suggest you work them out a bit better rather than parroting those badly thought out ones that you might come across in a particularly moronic Daily Express comments column.

[dadvokat]

Who rattled your cage Mr insane?

The thread is about the brutal and senseless murder of an innocent woman by religious thugs. I was only responding to hope's comment about something similar happening not likely in Christian societies. I was thinking out aloud on why that might be? It wasn't meant to be a theological and historical Dissertation or critique about reformation. Sheesh...

[Nearly Sane]

Who rattled your cage Mr insane?

The thread is about the brutal and senseless murder of an innocent woman by religious thugs. I was only responding to hope's comment about something similar happening not likely in Christian societies. I was thinking out aloud on why that might be? It wasn't meant to be a theological and historical Dissertation or critique about reformation. Sheesh...

Just if you want to spout jejune and fatuous analogies, used to the extent that if they had a point that it was lost in the depths of a shitheap, then you did that faultlessly.

[dadvokat]

Who rattled your cage Mr insane?

The thread is about the brutal and senseless murder of an innocent woman by religious thugs. I was only responding to hope's comment about something similar happening not likely in Christian societies. I was thinking out aloud on why that might be? It wasn't meant to be a theological and historical Dissertation or critique about reformation. Sheesh...

Just if you want to spout jejune and fatuous analogies, used to the extent that if they had a point that it was lost in the depths of a shitheap, then you did that faultlessly.

And you would know all about shitheap coming from where you do? You were saying Mr insane?

[Nearly Sane]

Who rattled your cage Mr insane?

The thread is about the brutal and senseless murder of an innocent woman by religious thugs. I was only responding to hope's comment about something similar happening not likely in Christian societies. I was thinking out aloud on why that might be? It wasn't meant to be a theological and historical Dissertation or critique about reformation. Sheesh...

Just if you want to spout jejune and fatuous analogies, used to the extent that if they had a point that it was lost in the depths of a shitheap, then you did that faultlessly.

And you would know all about shitheap coming from where you do? You were saying Mr insane?

Oh look it's a comment on my sanity using the pseudonym to do that. Wow that would be cutting and witty were it not undercut by the name not claiming sanity. Do you just use shopworn approaches in an sort of post modernist revival of what used to be good before someone used it for the million and ninth time?

[dadvokat]

You could start an argument in an empty room, Mr insane.

[Nearly Sane]

You could start an argument in an empty room, Mr insane.

Thankee kind, if tediously unoriginal, sir!

[Udayana]

So you couldn't find any examples of Christian mobs lynching someone for allegedly burning a bible ?

Have you?  It's perhaps worth remembering that Christians don't regard the Bible in the same way as Muslims do the Qu'ran, so would be far less likely to lynch anyone for burning a Bible.  In fact, I suspect that more Americans (Christians and non-Christians) would lynch someone for burning the Stars and Stripes than a Bible.

Or perhaps islam needs to go through reformation like Christianity did?

Actually I think it might be, though it could easily tip the other way or obliterate itself completely. Either way the ructions are extremely bloody and dragging the rest of us in too.

[trippymonkey]

Islam's 'true' nature has been evident from when the fake prophet made his first moves in gaining power !!!!
This is what happens.....

[BashfulAnthony]

Islam's 'true' nature has been evident from when the fake prophet made his first moves in gaining power !!!!
This is what happens.....

It seems to me that most Islamists are still living in medieval times.  When I lived in my last house, in a largely Muslim community, my then, precious, dog, who loved everyone, was shunned by all the local Muslims, even children who were naturally curious about a very large dog, and this because Mohammad said dogs were unclean. I do not, for the life of me, see how anyone can believe God would expect this.  And yes, I'm aware how the OT condemns certain creature as as unclean . Just another of the reasons for my antipathy to it.

[trippymonkey]

BA
Some on earth have been so brainwashed into fear that they cannot move forwards mentally or physically.
I DO understand Christians believing Jesus came to take His 'people' a few steps forward but unfortunately peeing too many off along the way ?!!?!?

Nick

[BashfulAnthony]

BA
Some on earth have been so brainwashed into fear that they cannot move forwards mentally or physically.
I DO understand Christians believing Jesus came to take His 'people' a few steps forward but unfortunately peeing too many off along the way ?!!?!?

Nick

It's all about misconceptions with Christianity  -  and, to be fair, to some extent with Islam, too, with some people, and I don't mean the psychopaths of Isis, who are beyond all consideration.  The core message of Jesus was "love and forgiveness," and to lose sight of this is when people start putting the emphasis in the wrong places.

[trippymonkey]

Yes.
You'd be hard pressed to find much love in The Quran though.

[BashfulAnthony]

Yes.
You'd be hard pressed to find much love in The Quran though.

There are a number of Muslims in the Nottingham area, where I am, who are making conscious efforts to be community-spirited, but sadly the small numbers involved do rather highlight the fact that there is not a lot of giving amongst the wider Islamic community.

[Hope]

When I lived in my last house, in a largely Muslim community, my then, precious, dog, who loved everyone, was shunned by all the local Muslims, even children who were naturally curious about a very large dog, and this because Mohammad said dogs were unclean.

But why did Mohammed say dogs are unclean?  It's like the Hindus and their sacred cows.  Was the instruction in response to issues that people in the Middle East had with dogs?  In India and Nepal, dogs are kept to protect property, not as pets - so many in the sub-continent grow up with a fear of dogs (and that doesn't include the wild, pariah/pye dogs that roam both the rural and urban landscape.)

[BashfulAnthony]

When I lived in my last house, in a largely Muslim community, my then, precious, dog, who loved everyone, was shunned by all the local Muslims, even children who were naturally curious about a very large dog, and this because Mohammad said dogs were unclean.

But why did Mohammed say dogs are unclean?  It's like the Hindus and their sacred cows.  Was the instruction in response to issues that people in the Middle East had with dogs?  In India and Nepal, dogs are kept to protect property, not as pets - so many in the sub-continent grow up with a fear of dogs (and that doesn't include the wild, pariah/pye dogs that roam both the rural and urban landscape.)

I do not know why, though a Muslim I knew said that if a dog touched them, or rather, if they came into contact with the saliva of a dog, they had to wash themselves from head to foot before praying again  -  and they have to pray five times a day, as you will be aware.

"That the Messenger of Allah said: "Whoever acquires a dog - with the exception of a dog to guard livestock, a hunting dog, or a farm dog - each day a Qirat is deducted from his reward." [Abu Dawood (ref.)

"I heard Allah's Apostle(P.B.U.H) saying; "Angels (of Mercy) do not enter a house wherein there is a dog or a picture of a living creature (a human being or an animal)." [Hadith - Bukhari 3:515 (ref)

[trippymonkey]

BA
You have to be VERY careful when quoting Hadiths as, when they don't fit personal criteria or agenda, as with Gabriella, they say they're not reliable. Much as some say about many biblical quotes here.

Muslims can most certainly help other Muslims for ANY reason whatsoever but we NON-Muslims are the KUFFAR or ungrateful & I'm pretty sure Muslims inthe UK find dealing with kaffers a hard but necessary job.

I've know many many Muslims for decades & find, certainly on a NON-religious level, exactly the same as we are. Sounded a bit bad that eh, but you know what I mean !!!

Nick

[Udayana]

ISTR that references to dogs bring "unclean" are all in hadiths rather than the Koran, so, basically, just made up by various random people.

Similar to Hindu sacred cows - the principle is that all life is sacred but, as cows were so important economically people invented various special rules around them based on superstitious outlooks. Imo.

[trippymonkey]

U
Exactly !! As a cow is MUCH more use alive than a one-off meal, na???

[BashfulAnthony]

BA
You have to be VERY careful when quoting Hadiths as, when they don't fit personal criteria or agenda, as with Gabriella, they say they're not reliable. Much as some say about many biblical quotes here.

Muslims can most certainly help other Muslims for ANY reason whatsoever but we NON-Muslims are the KUFFAR or ungrateful & I'm pretty sure Muslims inthe UK find dealing with kaffers a hard but necessary job.

I've know many many Muslims for decades & find, certainly on a NON-religious level, exactly the same as we are. Sounded a bit bad that eh, but you know what I mean !!!

Nick

No, not bad at all. I lived amongst them for 30 years, before I moved in 2012, and I always found them good neighbours.  I don't know what it's like now, with all the extremism being so high on the agenda.

[Shaker]

But why did Mohammed say dogs are unclean?

He was very much the cat man, according to the stories.

[BashfulAnthony]

But why did Mohammed say dogs are unclean?

He was very much the cat man, according to the stories.

That's right.  But in my experience, keeping any animals was not a regular thing.

[ekim]

But why did Mohammed say dogs are unclean?

He was very much the cat man, according to the stories.

Perhaps rabies was rampant at that time.

[trippymonkey]

Must have been !!
Certainly in CERTAIN MEN anyway !?!?!?