Re-nationalisation of industries - Corbyn

[L.A.]

The other candidates, though, don't offer a credible alternative to the Tories, though, they just offer Tory in red.

So I guess the party is finished then.

[Gonnagle]

Dear Outrider,

Credible! Good word, Corbyn sounds credible, the other candidates are bland.

I will confess that I am a fickle voter, I voted SNP because Sturgeon sounded credible, or as one commentator said, more statesman like.

Searching for a hero.

Gonnagle.

[Nearly Sane]

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So I guess the party is finished then.

The same might have been said about the Tories in 2003, or Labour in 1992.

[Outrider]

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So I guess the party is finished then.

The same might have been said about the Tories in 2003, or Labour in 1992.

Or the Lib Dems in 2015...

O.

[Nearly Sane]

Or the Lib Dems in 2015...

O.

Strangely, have fallen quite so far, they probably have a better chance of surviving - they aren't really big enough any more to have political wings. The danger for Labour is splitting, Lib Dems couldn't split if they wanted to.

[Gonnagle]

Dear Jakswan,

Labour party dragging out Blair, finger nails on the edge of the cliff stuff, Corbyn really has them worried.

Gonnagle.

[jakswan]

When has he been right about anything before?

Maybe 1997, 2001 and 2005?

[jakswan]

Labour party dragging out Blair, finger nails on the edge of the cliff stuff, Corbyn really has them worried.

As usual Gonzo your seeing the picture blurry, its the right words just in the wrong order. Blair is worried for the Labour party because Corbyn has been dragged out.

[Gonnagle]

Dear Jakswan,

Could be, but I would keep a war mongerer ( allegedly ) in the cupboard until after the inquiry.

Gonnagle.

[L.A.]

Dear Jakswan,

Labour party dragging out Blair, finger nails on the edge of the cliff stuff, Corbyn really has them worried.

Gonnagle.

I suspect that very few people actually wanted Blair to speak out for their cause, but of course, that doesn't mean that he is wrong on this issue.

[Shaker]

When has he been right about anything before?

Maybe 1997, 2001 and 2005?

Well, for a start I asked when he had ever been right about anything, not the electorate. But seeing as you mention it: is that your yardstick of rightness - the election of somebody like Blair? It's not mine.

[L.A.]

Credible! Good word, Corbyn sounds credible, the other candidates are bland.

What is credible in this sense? I'd say that:

A/ they need to be able to unite their party.

B/ they need to be able to convince the electorate that they can lead the country.

I'd say that Corbyn fails miserably on both counts.

[Gonnagle]

Dear Lapsed,

Credible as in honest, yes I know! Honest politician, get real Gonnagle.

Gonnagle.

[Outrider]

Credible! Good word, Corbyn sounds credible, the other candidates are bland.

What is credible in this sense? I'd say that:

A/ they need to be able to unite their party.

B/ they need to be able to convince the electorate that they can lead the country.

I'd say that Corbyn fails miserably on both counts.

I meant credible as an alternative to the Tories - none of the others offer that.

O.

[BashfulAnthony]

Credible! Good word, Corbyn sounds credible, the other candidates are bland.

What is credible in this sense? I'd say that:

A/ they need to be able to unite their party.

B/ they need to be able to convince the electorate that they can lead the country.

I'd say that Corbyn fails miserably on both counts.

I meant credible as an alternative to the Tories - none of the others offer that.

O.

I have yet to see anybody address Corbyn's ugly refusal to condemn the IRA murders, as well as other terror groups.  We don't need anybody like him with influence, at a dangerous time like this.

Also, it might be noted that in a career in politics, he has never attained any high office.  I wonder why?

[Outrider]

I have yet to see anybody address Corbyn's ugly refusal to condemn the IRA murders, as well as other terror groups.  We don't need anybody like him with influence, at a dangerous time like this.

I've not heard his reasoning - it could be that he wants to keep the Sinn Fein MPs on-side in an attempt to bring them back into the parliamentary fold, it may be that he sees no benefit in raking over old coals at a time when many in the region are attempting to move beyond the history.

Also, it might be noted that in a career in politics, he has never attained any high office.  I wonder why?

Possibly because he's been to the economic left of the majority of the party, and now the party's electorate are having a change of heart. You'd be as well asking why the people who have achieved high-office in the party in recent years are doing so badly in the polling.

Perhaps it's just that the winds are changing in the party support.

O.

[Gonnagle]

Dear Bashers,

Wot Outrider just said, me, I am still confused about the whole issue of free speech.

Gonnagle.

[L.A.]

Dear Lapsed,

Credible as in honest, yes I know! Honest politician, get real Gonnagle.

Gonnagle.

According to the Oxford English Dictionary:

"Definition of credibility in English:
noun

[MASS NOUN]
1The quality of being trusted and believed in:"

It's more than just honesty, you also need to be able to convince others to trust you - and that's where Corbyn is going to have problems.

[Outrider]

Dear Lapsed,

Credible as in honest, yes I know! Honest politician, get real Gonnagle.

Gonnagle.

According to the Oxford English Dictionary:

"Definition of credibility in English:
noun

[MASS NOUN]
1The quality of being trusted and believed in:"

It's more than just honesty, you also need to be able to convince others to trust you - and that's where Corbyn is going to have problems.

Based on the fact that, at the moment, he appears to be having more success at that than the other people in the race?

Presumably you mean amongst people who currently don't vote Labour come a general election. Given that the left-wing vote is fragmented amongst the Liberals, Greens, SNP, Plaid Cymru and the various minor socialist movements, a candidate that unites that vote could stand a better change than one that tries to leech a few extra votes from Liberals who defected to the Tory party and the Kippers.

That's the option being put in front of the Labour electorate here, and so far the indications are that they are fairly clear on what they want.

O.

[Gonnagle]

Dear Lapsed,

Well I have just listened to one of his rivals on the telly, Evette Cooper, the lady is offering an alternative, sorry she is offering new/old Labour, watered down Conservatism.

Past Governments have allowed Capitalism to run this Country, the fast buck, the evidence has proved them wrong, I am not against capitalism but it does breed greed, and that is the real enemy.

Gonnagle.

[L.A.]

Based on the fact that, at the moment, he appears to be having more success at that than the other people in the race?

Presumably you mean amongst people who currently don't vote Labour come a general election. Given that the left-wing vote is fragmented amongst the Liberals, Greens, SNP, Plaid Cymru and the various minor socialist movements, a candidate that unites that vote could stand a better change than one that tries to leech a few extra votes from Liberals who defected to the Tory party and the Kippers.

That's the option being put in front of the Labour electorate here, and so far the indications are that they are fairly clear on what they want.

I think at the moment his support is coming from Labour activists and the far Left - probably plus some Tories attempting a wrecking manoeuvre.

The bulk of Labour voters are not party members and are probably quite bemused by what is going on - but more importantly, Labour will never win unless they start to appeal to people who didn't vote Labour last time! - and the return of the Loony Left is not going to attract them.

[Outrider]

I think at the moment his support is coming from Labour activists and the far Left - probably plus some Tories attempting a wrecking manoeuvre.

The bulk of Labour voters are not party members and are probably quite bemused by what is going on - but more importantly, Labour will never win unless they start to appeal to people who didn't vote Labour last time! - and the return of the Loony Left is not going to attract them.

People that didn't vote Labour last time, that otherwise might - Greens, Lib Dems, SNP, Plaid Cymru... people to the right of Labour's previous position are already voting Tory or UKIP and aren't likely to change, and there really isn't very much centre-ground.

The left wing vote is fragmented, but it's more than enough to beat the Tories.

Strategically I agree with you, they need to capture people that didn't vote Labour in the last election. Tactically I think they'll have more success regrouping the left into a cohesive unit than trying to shave slivers off the right-wing.

O.

[jakswan]

When has he been right about anything before?

Maybe 1997, 2001 and 2005?

Well, for a start I asked when he had ever been right about anything, not the electorate. But seeing as you mention it: is that your yardstick of rightness - the election of somebody like Blair? It's not mine.

He had a strategy / policies which he thought would get him elected and he was right.

[L.A.]

People that didn't vote Labour last time, that otherwise might - Greens, Lib Dems, SNP, Plaid Cymru... people to the right of Labour's previous position are already voting Tory or UKIP and aren't likely to change, and there really isn't very much centre-ground.

The left wing vote is fragmented, but it's more than enough to beat the Tories.

A left wing Labour party would presumably win some seats from the SNP and maybe Plaid, but I think it would lose seats in England, particularly the South East.

The only way they could get in would be if the Tories split over Europe.

[jakswan]

The left wing vote is fragmented, but it's more than enough to beat the Tories.

Care to offer any data to back up that claim?

Strategically I agree with you, they need to capture people that didn't vote Labour in the last election. Tactically I think they'll have more success regrouping the left into a cohesive unit than trying to shave slivers off the right-wing.

I disagree but I hope that most voters in the leadership election agree with you!