Re-nationalisation of industries - Corbyn

[L.A.]

I think the last Labour government that could be described as truly 'Left Wing' was elected in 1945 - but things have changed a bit since then.

Blair became unpopular because of the war - and the circumstances surrounding it. Ed Miliband was unpopular because he was perceived as being utterly useless and in the pocket of the unions - a gift to the right-wing press - his brother would have stood a good chance of leading a centre-left government.

I'm sorry but for the right wing press it's a right wing conservative government or nothing.
The press were properly schmoozed by Blair but will not make that mistake again.

They are the in house magazine for elite global capital.

Blair said all the right things and Gordon promised to be 'Prudent' and everything appeared to go along fine  - but then there was IRAQ and 'chickens came home to roost'  for the economy.

[L.A.]

Dear Lapsed,

A question for you, or any poster, are the people of Scotland so different from the people of England?

Gonnagle.

I think it is fairly well established that England (and particularly the South East) tends to vote Centre-Right - generally Conservative but New Labour managed to make an impression.

Scotland clearly does not - so yes, Scots are different.

[Hope]

I'm sorry but for the right wing press it's a right wing conservative government or nothing.
The press were properly schmoozed by Blair but will not make that mistake again.

They are the in house magazine for elite global capital.

Oddly enough Vlad, most right wing media want a fairly right of centre government (as opposed to a 'right wing' government) - in the same way that most of the left-wing media want a left of centre government.

[Gonnagle]

Dear Politically Invigorated,

Sane says NO, our Lapsed says YES, I think I agree with Sane, I am no different from most Scots, I voted SNP because I was sick and tired of the same old same old.

Labour party, Tory party, no vision, no compassion.

I think it will not be long before the English voters wake up, Compassion can be a political word.

Gonnagle.

[Hope]

I think it will not be long before the English voters wake up, Compassion can be a political word.

Gonnagle.

Why should the 'same old same old' that is the SNP (as well as the Tories and Labour) suddenly change the pattern, Gonners?

[Nearly Sane]

I think it will not be long before the English voters wake up, Compassion can be a political word.

Gonnagle.

Why should the 'same old same old' that is the SNP (as well as the Tories and Labour) suddenly change the pattern, Gonners?

Because in the move to support them and being in power or opposition in WM, they aren't yet.

[Hope]

Because in the move to support them and being in power or opposition in WM, they aren't yet.

but they are no different because they are no different to the other parties in their short-term approach to most things.

[Nearly Sane]

Because in the move to support them and being in power or opposition in WM, they aren't yet.

but they are no different because they are no different to the other parties in their short-term approach to most things.

mmm - they certainly aren't going to be something outside the system but then that is trivially true

[Hope]

mmm - they certainly aren't going to be something outside the system but then that is trivially true

and how was this relevant to my post, NS?

Will Corbyn go anyway to reclaiming the monies paid to inefficient bankers - or perhaps even look at ensuring that grass roots bank staff get proper basic pay, rather than relying on bonuses.

[Nearly Sane]

mmm - they certainly aren't going to be something outside the system but then that is trivially true

and how was this relevant to my post, NS?

Will Corbyn go anyway to reclaiming the monies paid to inefficient bankers - or perhaps even look at ensuring that grass roots bank staff get proper basic pay, rather than relying on bonuses.

Because the whole question is what is difference here. They are restricted in how that works.

the amount paid to grass roots bank staff is irrelevant to claiming money back from banks.

 

[Hope]

... the amount paid to grass roots bank staff is irrelevant to claiming money back from banks.

I am aware of that; perhaps I ought to have used 2 sentences, not a hyphen.

[Nearly Sane]

... the amount paid to grass roots bank staff is irrelevant to claiming money back from banks.

I am aware of that; perhaps I ought to have used 2 sentences, not a hyphen.

Fair enough.

[L.A.]

Dear Politically Invigorated,

Sane says NO, our Lapsed says YES, I think I agree with Sane, I am no different from most Scots, I voted SNP because I was sick and tired of the same old same old.

Labour party, Tory party, no vision, no compassion.

I think it will not be long before the English voters wake up, Compassion can be a political word.

Gonnagle.

I think it is quite possible that a Corbyn led Labour party could do quite well in Scotland, but would be wiped-out in England.

[Nearly Sane]

Dear Politically Invigorated,

Sane says NO, our Lapsed says YES, I think I agree with Sane, I am no different from most Scots, I voted SNP because I was sick and tired of the same old same old.

Labour party, Tory party, no vision, no compassion.

I think it will not be long before the English voters wake up, Compassion can be a political word.

Gonnagle.

I think it is quite possible that a Corbyn led Labour party could do quite well in Scotland, but would be wiped-out in England.

The problem for them being that led by anyone else they will continue to part of the fewer than pandas brigade in Scotland. I would think Corbyn on current demographics might win them 10 - 12 seats in Scotland.


Given the boundaries and reduction in MP numbers that will be introduced 2020 is going to be a loss for Laboutmr even if they were led by the other JC. (Obviously I am referring to the comic messiah)

[L.A.]

10 - 12 seats gain would be useful, but not at the cost of all the English seats that would be lost.

[Outrider]

...even if they were led by the other JC. (Obviously I am referring to the comic messiah)

Jasper Carrott?

O.

[Gonnagle]

Dear Lapsed,

I think it all depends on how your party performs, I think ( sometimes it hurts ) not if but when the English voters see through the Tory smoke and mirrors.

Gonnagle.

[Nearly Sane]

Dear Lapsed,

I think it all depends on how your party performs, I think ( sometimes it hurts ) not if but when the English voters see through the Tory smoke and mirrors.

Gonnagle.

And how does one know that is what it us? Social surveys show that there is little difference in what policy Scotland or England thinks is right but the different circs each are in ends up in a different answer. The Tories think this is the best thing to do. Their compromises that they are forced to make are different.   


Purity in politics is even less desirable than it is possible.

[L.A.]

Dear Lapsed,

I think it all depends on how your party performs . . .

Gonnagle.

Of course it does - they will be largely judged on the economy - but even if they do quite badly - a Corbyinite Labour party will struggle to make headway.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Dear Lapsed,

I think it all depends on how your party performs . . .

Gonnagle.

Of course it does - they will be largely judged on the economy - but even if they do quite badly - a Corbyinite Labour party will struggle to make headway.

From a certain perspective Labour is never going to get in next time....so what's more unsightly...a labour party constantly bowing it's head at shame when George calls for repentance over the economic crisis or one that's going to say well actually George we don't agree with what your peddling.

I'm afraid there are whole wadges of society that Osborne and Cameron depended on being quiescent who are showing a bit of political spark....e.g. Yoof.

[L.A.]

Dear Lapsed,

I think it all depends on how your party performs . . .

Gonnagle.

Of course it does - they will be largely judged on the economy - but even if they do quite badly - a Corbyinite Labour party will struggle to make headway.

From a certain perspective Labour is never going to get in next time....so what's more unsightly...a labour party constantly bowing it's head at shame when George calls for repentance over the economic crisis or one that's going to say well actually George we don't agree with what your peddling.

I'm afraid there are whole wadges of society that Osborne and Cameron depended on being quiescent who are showing a bit of political spark....e.g. Yoof.

If the Tories deliver on their stated objectives they would be very difficult to beat but there are a number of possible scenarios that might give Labour a victory - BUT - they need to offer a credible alternative.

With Corbyn they don't stand a hope in Hell

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Dear Lapsed,

I think it all depends on how your party performs . . .

Gonnagle.

Of course it does - they will be largely judged on the economy - but even if they do quite badly - a Corbyinite Labour party will struggle to make headway.

From a certain perspective Labour is never going to get in next time....so what's more unsightly...a labour party constantly bowing it's head at shame when George calls for repentance over the economic crisis or one that's going to say well actually George we don't agree with what your peddling.

I'm afraid there are whole wadges of society that Osborne and Cameron depended on being quiescent who are showing a bit of political spark....e.g. Yoof.

If the Tories deliver on their stated objectives they would be very difficult to beat but there are a number of possible scenarios that might give Labour a victory - BUT - they need to offer a credible alternative.

With Corbyn they don't stand a hope in Hell

Your not getting it. The tories have not had their three goes yet.
So no one can get Labour in until 2025. Do labour want to be sport for the tories or do they want, not to play ball and not be sport for the tories?

[L.A.]

Your not getting it. The tories have not had their three goes yet.
So no one can get Labour in until 2025. Do labour want to be sport for the tories or do they want, not to play ball and not be sport for the tories?

So you prefer 'Heroic defeat' to victory?

I suspect that you might get your wish.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Your not getting it. The tories have not had their three goes yet.
So no one can get Labour in until 2025. Do labour want to be sport for the tories or do they want, not to play ball and not be sport for the tories?

So you prefer 'Heroic defeat' to victory?

I suspect that you might get your wish.

You think there is a chance of victory?
How so?

[L.A.]

Your not getting it. The tories have not had their three goes yet.
So no one can get Labour in until 2025. Do labour want to be sport for the tories or do they want, not to play ball and not be sport for the tories?

So you prefer 'Heroic defeat' to victory?

I suspect that you might get your wish.

You think there is a chance of victory?
How so?

It's not too difficult to work that one out!

The Labour party comes out of 'Self Destruct' mode and finds a credible leader - i.e. one who is capable of rebuilding a party capable of dealing with the problems we face today and able to win an election.

i.e. A person about as different from Corbyn as they come!