Re-nationalisation of industries - Corbyn

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Your not getting it. The tories have not had their three goes yet.
So no one can get Labour in until 2025. Do labour want to be sport for the tories or do they want, not to play ball and not be sport for the tories?

So you prefer 'Heroic defeat' to victory?

I suspect that you might get your wish.

You think there is a chance of victory?
How so?

It's not too difficult to work that one out!

The Labour party comes out of 'Self Destruct' mode and finds a credible leader - i.e. one who is capable of rebuilding a party capable of dealing with the problems we face today and able to win an election.

i.e. A person about as different from Corbyn as they come!

That's all rhetoric.
I'm afraid the present non Corbyn candidates are yesterday's men and women.
Easily dismissed by anybody who wants to do that...... unelectable. Corbyn, potential to be a real pain in the hole........ unelectable.
The choice is clear.

[Nearly Sane]

So shite or shiteier

[Walt Zingmatilder]

So shite or shiteier

' Fraid so, but for the time being it doesn't help being a loser on account of the political cycle AND apologising for being the root cause of any Government failure subsequently.

[L.A.]

I'm afraid the present non Corbyn candidates are yesterday's men and women.

Whereas Corbyn himself was cryogenically frozen sometime in the 1970's in order to preserve the purity of the party 

[Nearly Sane]

So shite or shiteier

' Fraid so, but for the time being it doesn't help being a loser on account of the political cycle AND apologising for being the root cause of any Government failure subsequently.

And boundary changes

[Nearly Sane]

I'm afraid the present non Corbyn candidates are yesterday's men and women.

Whereas Corbyn himself was cryogenically frozen sometime in the 1970's in order to preserve the purity of the party 

Davros Corbyn

[Walt Zingmatilder]

I'm afraid the present non Corbyn candidates are yesterday's men and women.

Whereas Corbyn himself was cryogenically frozen sometime in the 1970's in order to preserve the purity of the party 

Yes but that's not the great bogey it used to be because so many were not around or not politically conscious in the 70's.......In any case why are you so afraid of the 70's...Do you fear Corbyn will reintroduce corduroy trousers or something?

[Nearly Sane]

What is Labour for?

[L.A.]

I'm afraid the present non Corbyn candidates are yesterday's men and women.

Whereas Corbyn himself was cryogenically frozen sometime in the 1970's in order to preserve the purity of the party 

Yes but that's not the great bogey it used to be because so many were not around or not politically conscious in the 70's.......In any case why are you so afraid of the 70's...Do you fear Corbyn will reintroduce corduroy trousers or something?

I'll bet the Tories are in hysterics when they look at what Labour is doing to itself.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

I'm afraid the present non Corbyn candidates are yesterday's men and women.

Whereas Corbyn himself was cryogenically frozen sometime in the 1970's in order to preserve the purity of the party 

Yes but that's not the great bogey it used to be because so many were not around or not politically conscious in the 70's.......In any case why are you so afraid of the 70's...Do you fear Corbyn will reintroduce corduroy trousers or something?

I'll bet the Tories are in hysterics when they look at what Labour is doing to itself.

They're on holiday aren't they?

[Nearly Sane]

Undoubtedly they are, but then they sort of earned it by having done the same.

Labour's only hope is the referendum leading to a split - which is perfectly possible. That they did not take the chance to defeat the govt over the purdah approach is shocking.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Undoubtedly they are, but then they sort of earned it by having done the same.

Labour's only hope is the referendum leading to a split - which is perfectly possible. That they did not take the chance to defeat the govt over the purdah approach is shocking.

Do you not think Cameron will not suspend the referendum if that looks likely?

[Nearly Sane]

He can't afford to do that. That definitely would produce a split.

[L.A.]

He can't afford to do that. That definitely would produce a split.

That might be one of the fault lines that Labour might be able to exploit if they aren't too busy arguing about what to nationalise.

[Hope]

Do you not think Cameron will not suspend the referendum if that looks likely?

Did you mean to include a double negative, Big V?  I suspect that suspending the referendum will cause more of a electoral split than any party splits.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Do you not think Cameron will not suspend the referendum if that looks likely?

Did you mean to include a double negative, Big V?  I suspect that suspending the referendum will cause more of a electoral split than any party splits.

But if the hundreds of thousands of new members of labour are actually hundreds of thousands of tories THAT motivated to maliciously annihilate labour then I think  he can do what he likes and since leaving Erp is a shit idea for globalists the referendum will be schmoozed away.

[Gonnagle]

Dear Big V, ( I like Big V )

Post 49, boy you are in the zone, careful when you touch yourself, third degree burns can be painful.

Yes I don't think Mr Corbyn wants to play the Tory smoke and mirror games, he may actually think that politics is important and not a game.

The SNP are to busy learning the game instead of focusing on the fact that it is not a game, real lives are involved.

Gonnagle.

[L.A.]

Corbyn promises to take the party faithful deep into the political wilderness where they can contemplate their Socialist fantasy world. Meanwhile, the rest of the world will move on and the Labour party risks becoming history.

[Hope]

It is interesting that the Electoral Reform Society have now joined the calls for the vote to be delayed so that additional checks can be carried out on the 'swarm' (my choice of word) of new members.  It is therefore no longer merely party insiders who could be seen as afraid that Corbyn will win.  (http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/labour-remove-infiltrators-votes-after-6240207 and reports on BBC Breakfast).

[L.A.]

The problem with that is that those doing the 'vetting' will be rejecting votes based on their judgements of the political affiliations of the voters which certainly sounds deeply undemocratic.

[jakswan]

I can see another SDP moment coming.

[Outrider]

Dear Lapsed,

I think it all depends on how your party performs . . .

Gonnagle.

Of course it does - they will be largely judged on the economy - but even if they do quite badly - a Corbyinite Labour party will struggle to make headway.

From a certain perspective Labour is never going to get in next time....so what's more unsightly...a labour party constantly bowing it's head at shame when George calls for repentance over the economic crisis or one that's going to say well actually George we don't agree with what your peddling.

I'm afraid there are whole wadges of society that Osborne and Cameron depended on being quiescent who are showing a bit of political spark....e.g. Yoof.

If the Tories deliver on their stated objectives they would be very difficult to beat but there are a number of possible scenarios that might give Labour a victory - BUT - they need to offer a credible alternative.

With Corbyn they don't stand a hope in Hell

The other candidates, though, don't offer a credible alternative to the Tories, though, they just offer Tory in red.

O.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Corbyn promises to take the party faithful deep into the political wilderness where they can contemplate their Socialist fantasy world. Meanwhile, the rest of the world will move on and the Labour party risks becoming history.

It is in the middle of the political cycle and any labour party of any complexion would be in the wilderness....look at the tories in the 2000's.

While a labour party seeks to make itself more tory, why should people vote for them if they have the real thing. The preferred situation is no real opposition...and the opposition to have a process of falling into line.

That is not the kind of opposition life that is needed since intellectual assent of Eternal low wages for the many is particularly unacceptable.

If there are hundreds of thousands of English people politically motivated enough to destroy labour through malicious voting in the labour ballot then a real opposition has no power to win nor nothing to lose.

If it turns out that in the end an opposition of the forgotten and silent appears as an unintended consequence of the Tory Surge then that will be just, given the vehemence of those that wanted these people to ''stay down''.

[jakswan]

While a labour party seeks to make itself more tory, why should people vote for them if they have the real thing. The preferred situation is no real opposition...and the opposition to have a process of falling into line.

People would vote for them because the voters politics are more in the centre ground. If the Labour party goes left they will not get the votes and the UK will see either coalitions with Cons/LibDems or purely Cons governments.

If want to see a left of centre government the reality is the supporters of the Labour party and going to have to give ground to the right.

Actually I can the LibDems resurgence if JC gets in and as a LibDem I'm really hoping he does!

As Blair put it:-

“It doesn’t matter whether you’re on the left, right or centre of the party, whether you used to support me or hate me,” he wrote. “But please understand the danger we are in. The party is walking eyes shut, arms outstretched over the cliff’s edge to the jagged rocks below.

He's not wrong!

[Shaker]

When has he been right about anything before?