Re-nationalisation of industries - Corbyn

[Shaker]

The 12th, I think.

[Jack Knave]

The 12th, I think.

Yeah, Saturday 12th.

[jakswan]

I can't quite believe Labour will elect Corbyn I thinks its understable having watched the competition being interviewed. Either way is the Labour party now forever divided anyway.

[Gonnagle]

Dear Jakswan,

A mindset, have we all become accustomed to New Labour and Tory way of thinking.

Greed, has British society become "I'am alright Jack".

Of course this is only my opinion, but I see Corbyn as someone who is thinking about the country as a whole.

The people of the United Kingdom are an asset, we need to invest in that asset.

Renationalisation of the railway, make it affordable for people to travel to work.

Build more homes, a roof over your head is a right not a luxury.

Compassion should be a watchword in politics, I think Corbyn  has this.

Anyway, the above is only my opinion, and I am old enough to see that new Labour and Tory governments have not worked.

Gonnagle.

[Outrider]

Corby appears different, to me, because he's not looking at the job of government to be a board of directors for UK plc. The Greens in the last election were similar - and the Lib Dems to an extent, though not so much - which made them seem unelectable because they were so far from the 'norm'.

The exciting prospect for me is not that Corbyn might actually make the Labour party electable, but rather that it changes the timbre of the political discussion from purely about maximising the top-line of the economy to actually making the economy work for the country's greater good.

His individual ideas and policies are less important than the principle his support brings back to the political arena.

O.

[Gonnagle]

Dear Outrider,

Excellent post, a shift in political thinking!

Gonnagle.

[wigginhall]

Yes, good points from the big O there.  Corbyn has already shifted the political debate, and I am looking forward to his exchanges with Cameron.   Many people are expecting Corbyn to be humiliated, but I am not so sure.  That guy is pretty sure-footed and intellectually able.   I hope he will dissect neo-liberalism and lay bare its unseemly innards.

[jakswan]

A mindset, have we all become accustomed to New Labour and Tory way of thinking.

Greed, has British society become "I'am alright Jack".

With respect that is not what British society is about.

Of course this is only my opinion, but I see Corbyn as someone who is thinking about the country as a whole.

The people of the United Kingdom are an asset, we need to invest in that asset.

I see so its only Corbyn supporters who think that is it, you are creating a strawman.

Renationalisation of the railway, make it affordable for people to travel to work.

I see so the cost of rail travel for season ticket holders has gone up has it?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-21056703

Maybe before making it point check the facts?

Build more homes, a roof over your head is a right not a luxury.

Not a unique Corbyn policy even if it is a Crobyn policy?

Compassion should be a watchword in politics, I think Corbyn  has this.

Yeah sure everyone who doesn't support the Labour party wants to shoot anyone not like themselves. You do get that a part of the reason Labour got battered in the election is partly down to this sort of attitude.

Anyway, the above is only my opinion, and I am old enough to see that new Labour and Tory governments have not worked.

What does that even mean?

[jakswan]

The exciting prospect for me is not that Corbyn might actually make the Labour party electable,

Wow really I wouldn't know for sure but looking at it from the centre (I'm Libdem) his policies whilst idealistic (I can recognise they are well meant) seem absolutely barmy in reality. 

but rather that it changes the timbre of the political discussion from purely about maximising the top-line of the economy to actually making the economy work for the country's greater good.

What other countries run by that far left a government has this worked out well?

[Outrider]

Wow really I wouldn't know for sure but looking at it from the centre (I'm Libdem) his policies whilst idealistic (I can recognise they are well meant) seem absolutely barmy in reality. 

I'm Lib Dem, too, at the moment. His policies do seem excessive, like I say I don't think (as some do) that they'll suddenly make the Labour party electable - what they will do is actually differentiate the Labour party from the Tories, because at the moment we have them both clustering around the same mid-right, slightly authoritarian conservatism.

What other countries run by that far left a government has this worked out well?

How far left? As far left as it appears he wants to go, or just left of where we are now? On the far left, not many, but left of where we are now - any number, but with the additional libertarianism I'd have to point to the Scandinavian countries.

O.

[Gonnagle]

Dear Jakswan,

Rail fares, I am at a loss in seeing any point you are trying to make.

Travelling to and from work should never be a burden on your finances.

Making it easy for all to travel to work, especially those on low wage should be a government priority.

Edinburgh to Glasgow, return, cheapest I could find, £12, well out of minimum wage range.

As I say, a mindset, people who can afford rail fare do not think twice about those who can't.

Gonnagle.

[Shaker]

How far left? As far left as it appears he wants to go, or just left of where we are now? On the far left, not many, but left of where we are now - any number, but with the additional libertarianism I'd have to point to the Scandinavian countries.

Why so far afield - what about this country immediately after the war?

[wigginhall]

Yes, I see Corbyn as a moderate Keynesian, or if you like, in favour of a mixed economy.  It's laughable that people call this far left, and shows how far to the right we have moved.   Many of his economic policies were standard after the war, and during the period of the 'postwar consensus'. 

[Gonnagle]

Dear Wigs,

Far left, right wing, moderate, liberal, bah humbug.

Gonnagle.

[Outrider]

How far left? As far left as it appears he wants to go, or just left of where we are now? On the far left, not many, but left of where we are now - any number, but with the additional libertarianism I'd have to point to the Scandinavian countries.

Why so far afield - what about this country immediately after the war?

Because the world economies, and our place in it, and the markets in which we make money abroad and at home, are markedly different and we won't be able to replicate the post-war era.

O.

[jakswan]

Rail fares, I am at a loss in seeing any point you are trying to make.

Read the link I posted.

Travelling to and from work should never be a burden on your finances.

So it should be free?

Making it easy for all to travel to work, especially those on low wage should be a government priority.

Edinburgh to Glasgow, return, cheapest I could find, £12, well out of minimum wage range.

So what price should it be?

As I say, a mindset, people who can afford rail fare do not think twice about those who can't.

Which is pure bullshit, I travel from Swansea to Norwich twice a month and would like the fairs to be cheaper.

[Gonnagle]

Dear Jakswan,

I did read your link, rail fares are extortionate, if you want the working class to be mobile, make it affordable, that makes common sense to me.

No, it should not be free, but keeping the working population mobile should not be left to a company who only thinks of profit.

The price should be affordable.

As for bullshit, once again, affordable for all.

Should not a governments main job be to keep the wheels of industry moving.

Gonnagle.

[Rhiannon]

It's bull to say that people who can afford rail fairs don't give a shit about those who can't, Gonners. You can't possibly know that.

[Gonnagle]

Dear Rhiannon,

Fair enough, it was a rubbish generalisation, boy I am not feeling the love on this forum today.

Gonnagle.

[Rhiannon]

My ex got a company loan to pay for his season ticket. We could 'afford' it but only by cutting back hard elsewhere.

[jakswan]

Fair enough, it was a rubbish generalisation, boy I am not feeling the love on this forum today.

Thanks, I enjoy chatting with you.

from my link

"A single from London to Manchester has gone up by 208%, up from £50 in 1995 to £154 today. That is more than three times the rate of inflation.
But a season ticket for the same journey has risen by only 65% - just less than inflation."

So season tickets (which workers will have) are actually cheaper now than when the railways were nationalised. 

[Harrowby Hall]

So season tickets (which workers will have) is actually cheaper than when the railways were nationalised.

That was in 1948.

[Gonnagle]

Dear Jakswan,

There's no fool like a old fool, I have not mastered the old bit yet but the fooling seems to come natural to me.

Finding out more about this subject, it seems that we/the government are investing heavily in the railway.

Here in Scotland we have a thing called EGIP, Edinburgh to Glasgow improvement ( why anyone would want to travel to Edinbugger  ).

So to my addled way of thinking, why are we forking out so someone else can take the profit.

It seems to me, just like the NHS that moving the population to and from work is vital, it should not be in the hands of private companies.

The Bible tells us, we can not serve two masters, who comes first, shareholders or us.

Gonnagle.

PS: that last sentence, sue me.

[Outrider]

( why anyone would want to travel to Edinbugger  ).

Scott monument, Prince's Mile, Edinburgh Tattoo, Queensferry, Dunfermline, Forth bridges, Edinburgh Castle.... just to get away from Bearsden, Paisley, Renfrew and that baufin' orange sewer pig!

O.

[Gonnagle]

Dear Outrider,

It's the strangest of feelings.

Step of the train in Waverley, yer wallet no longer belongs to you, you will pay and you will pay dearly, usually for a cheap imitation of Scotland.

Step off the train at Queen St or the Central, you breath a sense of fairness, yes we will have your wallet but only if you are daft enough to walk down a unlit alley at night.

Gonnagle.