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Re: If you were the deity?
« Reply #25 on: August 11, 2015, 08:54:11 AM »
Ah but as the deity I wouldn't have messed up in the first place! ;D
Who said that the Judeo-Christian deity did?  The Judeo=Chritian understanding is that it was humanity who messed up - so I repeat the question. 

How would you repair the damage in the relationship between yourself and humanity?

If the deity exists and was responsible for creation it created human nature, therefore it screwed up, and the buck stops with it! Now make an excuse for it, Hope! ;D
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Re: If you were the deity?
« Reply #26 on: August 11, 2015, 10:40:44 AM »
Ah but as the deity I wouldn't have messed up in the first place! ;D
Who said that the Judeo-Christian deity did?  The Judeo=Chritian understanding is that it was humanity who messed up - so I repeat the question. 

How would you repair the damage in the relationship between yourself and humanity?

If the deity exists and was responsible for creation it created human nature, therefore it screwed up, and the buck stops with it! Now make an excuse for it, Hope! ;D
He will...

No need to make an excuse about an inane comment.
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Re: If you were the deity?
« Reply #27 on: August 11, 2015, 05:32:11 PM »
I'd say "Hi guys, just be nice to each other".
How would that repair the damage in the the rerlationship between you and humanity which you created - or aren't you interested in them any longer?
How does having your own son murdered repair the damage in a relationship?
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Re: If you were the deity?
« Reply #28 on: August 11, 2015, 08:54:35 PM »
How does having your own son murdered repair the damage in a relationship?
In a culture that relies on animal sacrifice and the concept of the scapegoat - an innocent creature suffering for the wrongs of others - it actually makes considerable sense.  Throughout their history the Jews lived with the idea of penal substitutionary atonement (though they didn't call it that), whereby their wrongdoing was atoned (made amends or reparation paid) for by an innocent, perfect substitute, thus repairing their relationship with their creator.  The only way for a deity to fulfill that concept, thus making any further such substitutionary deaths unnecessary, would be to provide their own child as a once for all sacrifice, which would ensure that the opportunity for humanity to return to the relationship that they'd damaged in the past was open to all the Jews - but also to all humanity, and that it would be available to all, for all time.

That is why we, as a nation that once regarded ourselves as a Christian nation, don't feel the need to indulge in animal sacrifice.  Mind you, if one reads the media, it does appear that we still rather like the substitutionary atonement idea, with the way that so many seem quite happy to offload the blame for wrongdoing onto other people who are likely perfectly innocent of whatever we want them to be guilty of (even if they are guilty of other things).
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Re: If you were the deity?
« Reply #29 on: August 12, 2015, 12:17:02 AM »
How does having your own son murdered repair the damage in a relationship?
In a culture that relies on animal sacrifice and the concept of the scapegoat - an innocent creature suffering for the wrongs of others - it actually makes considerable sense.  Throughout their history the Jews lived with the idea of penal substitutionary atonement (though they didn't call it that), whereby their wrongdoing was atoned (made amends or reparation paid) for by an innocent, perfect substitute, thus repairing their relationship with their creator.

But in the scenario of this thread, I am the deity, their creator.  There is no way I would allow one of the more minor tribes in my creation to dictate the terms under which I would forgive all humans for their crimes against me.  Furthermore, the idea of putting up an innocent scapegoat as a proxy for punishing the guilty is abhorrent to me and such actions are not gong to repair their relationship with me (quite the reverse, in fact), particularly not when the proposed scapegoat is my son.

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Re: If you were the deity?
« Reply #30 on: August 13, 2015, 10:10:33 PM »

You wouldn't have thought a decent deity would pander to the unpleasant sacrifice nonsense, by the even worst slaughter of its own supposed 'son'. Surely one would expect it to show a better, more humane way of achieving its purpose!

How would you go about demonstrating the seriousness and consequence of sin Floo, withdrawal of TV priviledges?
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Re: If you were the deity?
« Reply #31 on: August 13, 2015, 10:40:26 PM »
You'd have to define EXACTLY what SIN is or was first !!!

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Re: If you were the deity?
« Reply #32 on: August 14, 2015, 11:38:03 AM »
You wouldn't have thought a decent deity would pander to the unpleasant sacrifice nonsense, by the even worst slaughter of its own supposed 'son'. Surely one would expect it to show a better, more humane way of achieving its purpose!
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Re: If you were the deity?
« Reply #33 on: August 14, 2015, 11:58:03 AM »

You wouldn't have thought a decent deity would pander to the unpleasant sacrifice nonsense, by the even worst slaughter of its own supposed 'son'. Surely one would expect it to show a better, more humane way of achieving its purpose!

How would you go about demonstrating the seriousness and consequence of sin Floo, withdrawal of TV priviledges?

As the deity is the biggest 'sinner' of the lot, if the deeds attributed to it are true, it needs to take the beam out of its own eye first!  ::)

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Re: If you were the deity?
« Reply #34 on: August 14, 2015, 12:13:19 PM »

How would you go about demonstrating the seriousness and consequence of sin Floo, withdrawal of TV priviledges?

As the deity is the biggest 'sinner' of the lot, if the deeds attributed to it are true, it needs to take the beam out of its own eye first!  ::)

Can I remind you that, in this thread, you are the deity.  2Corrie was asking how you would demonstrate the seriousness of sin, not her god.
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Re: If you were the deity?
« Reply #35 on: August 14, 2015, 06:53:08 PM »

How would you go about demonstrating the seriousness and consequence of sin Floo, withdrawal of TV priviledges?

As the deity is the biggest 'sinner' of the lot, if the deeds attributed to it are true, it needs to take the beam out of its own eye first!  ::)

Can I remind you that, in this thread, you are the deity.  2Corrie was asking how you would demonstrate the seriousness of sin, not her god.

WHOOPS! :-[

Well I certainly wouldn't sacrifice my child to prove a point. I would try to put together wrong doing scenarios in the form of a visual display to try to get my point over . If people still didn't get it maybe I would make them take time out from the world, doing a course in decent behaviour!
And what if they kept writing ''fuck off I don't believe anybody's morality is binding on me?'' and say that when they get back they are going to live by their own morality?

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Re: If you were the deity?
« Reply #36 on: August 14, 2015, 09:26:19 PM »

And what if they kept writing ''fuck off I don't believe anybody's morality is binding on me?'' and say that when they get back they are going to live by their own morality?

Hmm, not sure, but having my son killed doesn't leap to mind as a constructive option.
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Re: If you were the deity?
« Reply #37 on: August 14, 2015, 09:32:33 PM »
Hmm, not sure, but having my son killed doesn't leap to mind as a constructive option.
Why not, in the context?
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Re: If you were the deity?
« Reply #38 on: August 14, 2015, 10:29:20 PM »
Hmm, not sure, but having my son killed doesn't leap to mind as a constructive option.
Why not, in the context?

Because I'm not a psychopathic idiot.
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