Christianity - giving people the horrors

[Bubbles]

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[Walt Zingmatilder]

http://youtu.be/F1ibEaIPtMk

I watched this, yes it's lots of little bits.

Some funny, and some alarming.

It's this sort of thing that gives Christianity and religion a bad name.

One of the things I found alarming was the faith healer pushing the guys neck around who revealed he had been told to wear the collar as if the plate in his spine moved he risked becoming paralysed.

Even if those clips were out of context, it's still scary.

One has to balance up the ego of the person doing all this, and the wellbeing of the recipient.

Unfortunately the preachers ego seems to come before the audience and it comes across as one big ego trip, which to me seems unchristian.

It's things like this that put people off religion although many people have a spiritual side and think there is something to it. ( although not necessarily Christian)


It's about time some Christians stopped fanning their own and other peoples egos.

It's also about time they stopped supporting such people.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/782299.stm

Because they often do apparently , too scared to be seen to be different or, horror of horrors, being accused of not having the Holy Spirit.

If Susan Doris was going to write her letters telling bishops it was a bad move to support faith healers, I apologise to her, and on that one  on reflection,  i'd agree with her.

Some kind of push on a neck suggests a physical attempt to heal not a spiritual attempt.

Other churches are available.

[Hope]

And this account of a Christian attending a Benny Hinn event was a real eye opener

http://www.faithstreet.com/onfaith/2014/12/08/the-five-most-disturbing-things-about-a-benny-hinn-miracle-service/35348

Have to say that I wouldn't willing attend a Benny Hinn event - for at least some of the reasons given here

Why on earth would any Christian follow Benny Hinn?

If you ask them, they will probably say that they aren't 'following Benny Hinn', but following Christ.  If God can use someone like Cyrus the Great to benefit his chosen people, I see no reason why he can't use a duff preacher/healer like Benn to benefit his modern people.  Whether he chooses to is open to discussion.

[floo]

And this account of a Christian attending a Benny Hinn event was a real eye opener

http://www.faithstreet.com/onfaith/2014/12/08/the-five-most-disturbing-things-about-a-benny-hinn-miracle-service/35348

Have to say that I wouldn't willing attend a Benny Hinn event - for at least some of the reasons given here

Why on earth would any Christian follow Benny Hinn?

If you ask them, they will probably say that they aren't 'following Benny Hinn', but following Christ.  If God can use someone like Cyrus the Great to benefit his chosen people, I see no reason why he can't use a duff preacher/healer like Benn to benefit his modern people.  Whether he chooses to is open to discussion.

I am GOBSMACKED Hope, are you really stating that the deity might use a charlatan like Hinn to impress the gullible? 

[Hope]

I am GOBSMACKED Hope, are you really stating that the deity might use a charlatan like Hinn to impress the gullible?

No, I'm saying that God can and does use anyone - even those who profess no faith in God - if he chooses: hence my reference to Cyrus the Great.  I know of people who have been encouraged into faith by the very haranguing that they have received on internet forums when they have referenced ideas that run contrary to some of the non-Christian members.

[floo]

I am GOBSMACKED Hope, are you really stating that the deity might use a charlatan like Hinn to impress the gullible?

No, I'm saying that God can and does use anyone - even those who profess no faith in God - if he chooses: hence my reference to Cyrus the Great.  I know of people who have been encouraged into faith by the very haranguing that they have received on internet forums when they have referenced ideas that run contrary to some of the non-Christian members.

If the deity's exists and uses anyone, however evil, to obtain its ends, it would have no decency or scruples!

[Nearly Sane]

I am GOBSMACKED Hope, are you really stating that the deity might use a charlatan like Hinn to impress the gullible?

No, I'm saying that God can and does use anyone - even those who profess no faith in God - if he chooses: hence my reference to Cyrus the Great.  I know of people who have been encouraged into faith by the very haranguing that they have received on internet forums when they have referenced ideas that run contrary to some of the non-Christian members.

And for those who have abandoned their beliefs for the opposite reason, was that God working through Christians to reduce the number of Christians?

[ippy]

I am GOBSMACKED Hope, are you really stating that the deity might use a charlatan like Hinn to impress the gullible?

No, I'm saying that God can and does use anyone - even those who profess no faith in God - if he chooses: hence my reference to Cyrus the Great.  I know of people who have been encouraged into faith by the very haranguing that they have received on internet forums when they have referenced ideas that run contrary to some of the non-Christian members.

How much contact do you have with planet Zog now Hope, have you still got you're contacts there?

ippy

[Rhiannon]

Can you manage a proper argument rather than just issuing insults, Ippy?

[Walt Zingmatilder]

I am GOBSMACKED Hope, are you really stating that the deity might use a charlatan like Hinn to impress the gullible?

No, I'm saying that God can and does use anyone - even those who profess no faith in God - if he chooses: hence my reference to Cyrus the Great.  I know of people who have been encouraged into faith by the very haranguing that they have received on internet forums when they have referenced ideas that run contrary to some of the non-Christian members.

How much contact do you have with planet Zog now Hope, have you still got you're contacts there?

ippy

Ah, the rednecks are back.

[BashfulAnthony]

Can you manage a proper argument rather than just issuing insults, Ippy?

If I may intervene:  the answer is, apparently, "no."  In fact, it is the norm for most atheists on here, sadly.

[Anchorman]

I am GOBSMACKED Hope, are you really stating that the deity might use a charlatan like Hinn to impress the gullible?

No, I'm saying that God can and does use anyone - even those who profess no faith in God - if he chooses: hence my reference to Cyrus the Great.  I know of people who have been encouraged into faith by the very haranguing that they have received on internet forums when they have referenced ideas that run contrary to some of the non-Christian members.

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Kind of like this, Hope?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbTAaBWmqsM


(I've been waiting for an excuse to post it....)

[Hope]

But a talking donkey, Jim?       

[Anchorman]

But a talking donkey, Jim?       

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Nah....the dog next door!

But seriously, God will use whom He will use.
There are umpteen incidents in the Bible showing God using people that the 'religious' mob wouldn't touch in a month of sabbaths.
I don't see a problem with God using an enemy to achieve His purpose.

[ippy]

Can you manage a proper argument rather than just issuing insults, Ippy?

I don't see my post as an insult, it's more like this kind of post of Hopes is an insult to the intelligence, it's so detached from reality.

When people make such daft posts what do they expect, we all send them a bunch of flowers?

No insult just a well deserved apt comment, he might just as well be on another planet, I'm sure he even thought he being serious?

ippy   

[floo]

But a talking donkey, Jim?       

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Nah....the dog next door!

But seriously, God will use whom He will use.
There are umpteen incidents in the Bible showing God using people that the 'religious' mob wouldn't touch in a month of sabbaths.
I don't see a problem with God using an enemy to achieve His purpose.

Well I do, but then the deity featured in the Bible is an evil piece of scum more evil than any human ever, if it exists and the deeds attributed to it had any truth in them. However, it is more than likely the Bible is a book of crazy fairy tales.

[jakswan]

Can you manage a proper argument rather than just issuing insults, Ippy?

If I may intervene:  the answer is, apparently, "no."  In fact, it is the norm for most atheists on here, sadly.

I think many Christians contribute interesting posts, some however, are hypocrites not an insult but a statement of fact.

[BashfulAnthony]

Can you manage a proper argument rather than just issuing insults, Ippy?

If I may intervene:  the answer is, apparently, "no."  In fact, it is the norm for most atheists on here, sadly.

I think many Christians contribute interesting posts, some however, are hypocrites not an insult but a statement of fact.

I don't insult people: I, too, merely make the obvious statements of fact, all pretty clear to any onlooker, really.

[jakswan]

Can you manage a proper argument rather than just issuing insults, Ippy?

If I may intervene:  the answer is, apparently, "no."  In fact, it is the norm for most atheists on here, sadly.

I think many Christians contribute interesting posts, some however, are hypocrites not an insult but a statement of fact.

I don't insult people: I, too, merely make the obvious statements of fact, all pretty clear to any onlooker, really.

To paraphrase 'the norm for most atheists on here is issuing insults' is an insult and not a statement of fact by any means.

[ippy]

Can you manage a proper argument rather than just issuing insults, Ippy?

If I may intervene:  the answer is, apparently, "no."  In fact, it is the norm for most atheists on here, sadly.

I think many Christians contribute interesting posts, some however, are hypocrites not an insult but a statement of fact.

I don't insult people: I, too, merely make the obvious statements of fact, all pretty clear to any onlooker, really.

To paraphrase 'the norm for most atheists on here is issuing insults' is an insult and not a statement of fact by any means.

The norm for religionists is to always be offended no matter how mild a critique might be.

ippy

[Shaker]

The norm for religionists is to always be offended no matter how mild a critique might be.

It's certainly the norm for at least some of them, ipster. Spot on.

[Alien]

Can you manage a proper argument rather than just issuing insults, Ippy?

If I may intervene:  the answer is, apparently, "no."  In fact, it is the norm for most atheists on here, sadly.

I think many Christians contribute interesting posts, some however, are hypocrites not an insult but a statement of fact.

I don't insult people: I, too, merely make the obvious statements of fact, all pretty clear to any onlooker, really.

To paraphrase 'the norm for most atheists on here is issuing insults' is an insult and not a statement of fact by any means.

I would agree that BA is rather OTT on his statement here.

[floo]

Can you manage a proper argument rather than just issuing insults, Ippy?

If I may intervene:  the answer is, apparently, "no."  In fact, it is the norm for most atheists on here, sadly.

I think many Christians contribute interesting posts, some however, are hypocrites not an insult but a statement of fact.

I don't insult people: I, too, merely make the obvious statements of fact, all pretty clear to any onlooker, really.

To paraphrase 'the norm for most atheists on here is issuing insults' is an insult and not a statement of fact by any means.

The norm for religionists is to always be offended no matter how mild a critique might be.

ippy

Not all take offence, Alan Burns, for instance, gets a lot of stick, for his religious stance but he takes it on the chin, to give him his due.

Of course there is one 'Christian' poster who dishes out offensive comments, but has a childish temper tantrum each time they are challenged, but seems to be in complete denial about their nasty behaviour.

[jakswan]

Can you manage a proper argument rather than just issuing insults, Ippy?

If I may intervene:  the answer is, apparently, "no."  In fact, it is the norm for most atheists on here, sadly.

I think many Christians contribute interesting posts, some however, are hypocrites not an insult but a statement of fact.

I don't insult people: I, too, merely make the obvious statements of fact, all pretty clear to any onlooker, really.

To paraphrase 'the norm for most atheists on here is issuing insults' is an insult and not a statement of fact by any means.

I would agree that BA is rather OTT on his statement here.

Applaud.

[Rhiannon]

Can you manage a proper argument rather than just issuing insults, Ippy?

I don't see my post as an insult, it's more like this kind of post of Hopes is an insult to the intelligence, it's so detached from reality.

When people make such daft posts what do they expect, we all send them a bunch of flowers?

No insult just a well deserved apt comment, he might just as well be on another planet, I'm sure he even thought he being serious?

ippy   

Ippy, you gave me no end of grief when I had the temerity to use the words 'bless' and 'you' in a post to your good self, even though I was using it as a turn of phrase rather than as any kind of magic words. As a result I no longer use that phrase on here for fear of causing offence - effectively you have censored what I say according to your sensibilities. Yet you see fit to mock and deride the beliefs and lifestyles of others with impunity for no other reason than that you think they are daft and make no effort to wind it in, however much offence and hurt your words cause.

If you gave an argument to make then fine, there are all kinds of ideas discussed on here that need picking apart and examining. Simple mocking isn't debate though; maybe it is time you offered others the same respect that you demand for yourself.