Christianity - giving people the horrors

[Nearly Sane]

Ippy, you gave me no end of grief when I had the temerity to use the words 'bless' and 'you' in a post to your good self, even though I was using it as a turn of phrase rather than as any kind of magic words. As a result I no longer use that phrase on here for fear of causing offence - effectively you have censored what I say according to your sensibilities. Yet you see fit to mock and deride the beliefs and lifestyles of others with impunity for no other reason than that you think they are daft and make no effort to wind it in, however much offence and hurt your words cause.

If you gave an argument to make then fine, there are all kinds of ideas discussed on here that need picking apart and examining. Simple mocking isn't debate though; maybe it is time you offered others the same respect that you demand for yourself.

Bless you

[Rhiannon]

 

[ippy]

Can you manage a proper argument rather than just issuing insults, Ippy?

I don't see my post as an insult, it's more like this kind of post of Hopes is an insult to the intelligence, it's so detached from reality.

When people make such daft posts what do they expect, we all send them a bunch of flowers?

No insult just a well deserved apt comment, he might just as well be on another planet, I'm sure he even thought he being serious?

ippy   

Ippy, you gave me no end of grief when I had the temerity to use the words 'bless' and 'you' in a post to your good self, even though I was using it as a turn of phrase rather than as any kind of magic words. As a result I no longer use that phrase on here for fear of causing offence - effectively you have censored what I say according to your sensibilities. Yet you see fit to mock and deride the beliefs and lifestyles of others with impunity for no other reason than that you think they are daft and make no effort to wind it in, however much offence and hurt your words cause.

If you gave an argument to make then fine, there are all kinds of ideas discussed on here that need picking apart and examining. Simple mocking isn't debate though; maybe it is time you offered others the same respect that you demand for yourself.

Not one person on the forum has offended me including your good self and what's the point of discussing things that haven't even got one shred of evidence to support them, so mock and derision of what?

I was making a point, the bless you to someone when you know that someone that doesn't share any kind of religious belief with you is more rude, unthinking, not needed and pointless than offensive, especially when we keep getting attempted raps on the knuckles like now.

I genuinely haven't been offended once on this forum Rhi.

ippy

[ippy]

Ippy, you gave me no end of grief when I had the temerity to use the words 'bless' and 'you' in a post to your good self, even though I was using it as a turn of phrase rather than as any kind of magic words. As a result I no longer use that phrase on here for fear of causing offence - effectively you have censored what I say according to your sensibilities. Yet you see fit to mock and deride the beliefs and lifestyles of others with impunity for no other reason than that you think they are daft and make no effort to wind it in, however much offence and hurt your words cause.

If you gave an argument to make then fine, there are all kinds of ideas discussed on here that need picking apart and examining. Simple mocking isn't debate though; maybe it is time you offered others the same respect that you demand for yourself.

Bless you

Good post, I like it.

ippy

[OH MY WORLD!]

Rose,
I have never supported con men like Benny, or Popoff, Roberts and on and on. What you need to do, rather then telling Christians here to stop doing something they are not doing, is show up at the next Benny crusade in your country. Stand at the doors and tell each person to stop supporting Benny, tell them why, and then stand aside and let them do as they please.

[OH MY WORLD!]

Oh, and Rose, is it CHRISTIANITY that gives you the horrors or people like Benny who call themselves a Christian while conning people out of their money? My buddy loves Benny. Not because he believes Benny but because my buddy is in charge of security at the hotel Benny stays in when in Calgary. Benny never fails to slip my buddy a few $50 bills on each visit.

Now I recall people being killed in a sweat lodge due to the actions of a New Age Guru. That was very horrifying, but if people want to buy into the New Age crap, well they are free to do so.

[trippymonkey]

Is this as opposed to Old Age Crap???

[OH MY WORLD!]

As a horticulturalist I can tell you that old age crap is very beneficial. New age crap stinks, gives veggies a terrible taste, and will kill. Now have a cookie while you sit on that rock you funny monkey.

[trippymonkey]

JC
 
Do you feel ALL The Bible can & IS to be used & that there's nothing new 'Under the sun' ?

Nick

[Hope]

Can you manage a proper argument rather than just issuing insults, Ippy?

It is a common indicator of having an inadequate argument, Rhi.

[Hope]

I'd like to pick up on JC's question to Rose:

Oh, and Rose, is it CHRISTIANITY that gives you the horrors

.

I think that many of us confuse the outworking of philosophies with the philosophies themselves.  For instance, we regularly think about the atrocities carried out 'in the name of' Communism, capitalism, Islam, Hinduism, Christianity, atheism, etc.  However, when we consider the philosophies themselves, they are often very different to what we see humans presenting to us.

[jjohnjil]

I'd like to pick up on JC's question to Rose:

Oh, and Rose, is it CHRISTIANITY that gives you the horrors

.

I think that many of us confuse the outworking of philosophies with the philosophies themselves.  For instance, we regularly think about the atrocities carried out 'in the name of' Communism, capitalism, Islam, Hinduism, Christianity, atheism, etc.  However, when we consider the philosophies themselves, they are often very different to what we see humans presenting to us.

There may well have been atrocities carried out by atheists, Hope, but certainly not in the name of atheism!  There's no great god of atheists to tell us to go out slaughtering, as yours does!   

You've got some weird ideas!

[Hope]

There may well have been atrocities carried out by atheists, Hope, but certainly not in the name of atheism!  There's no great god of atheists to tell us to go out slaughtering, as yours does!   

I though the God of atheism was humanity, jj 

[floo]

There may well have been atrocities carried out by atheists, Hope, but certainly not in the name of atheism!  There's no great god of atheists to tell us to go out slaughtering, as yours does!   

I though the God of atheism was humanity, jj 

Well humanity could certainly teach the evil Biblical deity a thing or two about being good and decent!

[Hope]

There may well have been atrocities carried out by atheists, Hope, but certainly not in the name of atheism!  There's no great god of atheists to tell us to go out slaughtering, as yours does!   

I though the God of atheism was humanity, jj 

Well humanity could certainly teach the evil Biblical deity a thing or two about being good and decent!

And it could teach the deity more than a thing or two about being evil and despicable.

[BashfulAnthony]

There may well have been atrocities carried out by atheists, Hope, but certainly not in the name of atheism!  There's no great god of atheists to tell us to go out slaughtering, as yours does!   

I though the God of atheism was humanity, jj 

Well humanity could certainly teach the evil Biblical deity a thing or two about being good and decent!

Yes, we could ask ISIS, or Al-Qaeda, or one of the 70 odd terrorist groups proscribed in this country under the Terrorist Act.  Or we could ask the murderers, rapists, thieves and hooligans.  Plenty of  good people in humanity to set an example.

[jjohnjil]

There may well have been atrocities carried out by atheists, Hope, but certainly not in the name of atheism!  There's no great god of atheists to tell us to go out slaughtering, as yours does!   

I though the God of atheism was humanity, jj 

At least humanity exists, Hope, we have evidence for it ... and there are a couple of billion Christians in it too - some good, some bloody awful :-)

[ippy]

Can you manage a proper argument rather than just issuing insults, Ippy?

It is a common indicator of having an inadequate argument, Rhi.

Saying you have evidence that can prove your ideas and never presenting it can hardly lend any strength, power or very much else to your statements Hope.

ippy

[floo]

There may well have been atrocities carried out by atheists, Hope, but certainly not in the name of atheism!  There's no great god of atheists to tell us to go out slaughtering, as yours does!   

I though the God of atheism was humanity, jj 

Well humanity could certainly teach the evil Biblical deity a thing or two about being good and decent!

And it could teach the deity more than a thing or two about being evil and despicable.

No it couldn't, the deity is worse than any human ever, if the deeds attributed to it had any credibility.

[Hope]

No it couldn't, the deity is worse than any human ever, if the deeds attributed to it had any credibility.

Well, it depoends on whether the references t such atrocities occur in historical apssages, poetic passages, or theological passages.  You have never managed to understand that the Bible (OT and NT) isn't written in a single genre.  Nor do you seem to have understood that, at times, the People of Israel stood on the brink of extinction at the hands of the tribes in the middle of whom they lived.  Everything seemst be judged through 20th century filters, with additional ones that filter out some of the worst atrocities that the 20th century has to offer.

[trippymonkey]

Hope
Are you saying you'd quite happily throw away many parts of your Bible?

Either because they don't fit in with your view of your god or you really feel they shouldn't be there at all?

Nick

[Hope]

Hope
Are you saying you'd quite happily throw away many parts of your Bible?

Either because they don't fit in with your view of your god or you really feel they shouldn't be there at all?

Nick

No, I would deal with them according to the genre they are.  As a Christian, I am also no longer bound by the laws set out in the OT; I am under a very different 'regime'.  However, the passages in the OT are useful background to a number of Jesus' teachings.

[trippymonkey]

AHA
You're a Pick-N-Choose Christian !!!

[jeremyp]

AHA
You're a Pick-N-Choose Christian !!!

They all are to some extent.