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« Reply #100 on: August 19, 2015, 07:49:21 PM »
Auf Weidersehen Pet, you mean?
Doesn't have to be abroad.

I'm actually quite shocked at times at the lack of vision of some people. As you might know, along with my wife we run a nursery and therefore are regularly recruiting, and this is an area where the positions aren't high paid (perhaps they should be, but they aren't across the sector). I'm regularly amazed when we get people who seem interested in a post (and may be without a job) yet decline to come to interview or take a position, because it's too far. And that often means a 5-10 mile bus journey. We're not recruiting from the other end of the country, merely perhaps from the next town, yet there seems to be a perception that this isn't really good enough, they want a job two minutes away.

It wasn't always abroad in the programme either.

I've always lived in areas where people commute so the idea that people won't strikes me as plain odd.

And I'm not sure how the rights of the working people are supported by shrugging our shoulders about those that won't.

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« Reply #101 on: August 20, 2015, 09:12:53 AM »
Dear Prof,

I can't really argue with your stance, there are some who could relocate ( I am in the process of doing just that ) and the lady mentioned in the OP could, with help do the same.

My argument is that this government is doing very little to ease unemployment, their Job centres are next to useless, the government website ( Universal jobmatch ) is hopeless, old jobs which have been filled and not very user friendly compared to other websites.

Even the company who runs the website wants out, citing to much government interference.

They are cutting adult education, I personally at the end of June signed a petition to try and save staff jobs at my local college.

This government is failing to invest, invest in people who want to work, the ones who do not want to work, in my opinion are a very small minority, but of course the media likes to focus on them, they make better telly. >:(

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« Reply #102 on: August 20, 2015, 10:19:57 AM »
I'm not sure that people who won't commute or relocate simply don't want to work. If all you've known is the few miles radius around where you grew up it's going well out of your comfort zone even just to commute each day. It's completely different to areas where people expect to commute or relocate. Growing up in suburbia as I did, everyone wanted to be close to bus stops and the Tube because most people headed into the City or one of the bigger commercial areas every day. Where I live now as very low unemployment but most jobs are in the two main cities that are commutable from here.

Anchorman mentioned dignity earlier. There's nothing dignified about not encouraging people to be their best.

Adult education is a scandal; the last government slashed the budget and diverted funds to literacy, numeracy and computer skills for people seeking work - no more floristry, Spanish or philosophy. Now even the remedial stuff is going.

From what I've heard the Job Centres are badly run and the staff poorly trained and with a ad attitude, but I don't have firsthand experience of this. It figures though that on the budgets allocated for these things that both staff and services aren't going to be the best.

I'm not sure that the last government had a clue on dealing with this either; creating lots of public sector jobs seemed to be their main answer and that isn't sustainable any more than slash and burn is. There needs to be a complete rethink, but goodness knows who is going to step up to do it.

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« Reply #103 on: August 20, 2015, 01:26:54 PM »
Money to buy food even easier. Without money she could not get carbs or glucose.  That is why she stole.
I'm not aware that foodbanks or soup kitchen providers charge their clientele, Sass.

What did Christ charge when he died on the cross and rose again to give life.
You talk about money and then you fail to heed what is written in the  NT...

21 And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores.

When someone is in need then we should not be asking ourselves about the cost but why this person had no one to help her out.
A packet of mars bars.. tell me, would the shopkeeper or the company have these things but for God the creator.

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So who is anyone to allow another to starve.

That woman was forced to break the law because man breaks GODS Laws everyday. YOU included with such an unloving attitude without empathy, pity or mercy. YOU are too content with what you have..
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« Reply #104 on: August 20, 2015, 01:27:48 PM »
Is this the cue for an updated version of Les Mis?

http://news.stv.tv/scotland-decides/news/1326642-stephen-daisley-on-wings-over-scotland-shoplifting-fundraiser/

Presumably the Nationalists are trying to put over the message that Scotland supports criminals Maybe we ought to oblige them and send them all up there.


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The only criminals are the inhuman government imposing these degrading benefit changes.
(That's the same bunch who are still trying to resist publishing the numbers of those who have taken their own lives as a result of the Eton mafia's policies)
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« Reply #105 on: August 20, 2015, 01:49:01 PM »
Are those of you au fait with shop lifting also ok for this thief to burgle their houses because she is reported to be hungry? I smell a stench of hypocrisy in the air esp in the northern parts of this island. Also how do you know how many tea leaves have walked away with unpaid goods from the same shop? So if the defence for committing a crime, any crime in a court of law is hunger then shall we do away with the crime of shop lifting? There's a lot more to this story then has been reported. Trust the fecking nationalists to jump on the bandwagon...

You sound like ''no bread, let them eat cake''

It wasn't any old crime. Not a robbery not a burglary.
Just the taking of food itself not money from someones purse and not a mugging. Not a false claim for another benefit just wanting food having starved for days...

Why not starve yourself for 4 days and then tell us you did not feel hunger pains or need to eat.

The Government rely on the darker sides of the nature of people.
They make them out to be work dodgers and crooks but in truth the elderly and the disabled as well as carers are NONE of those things.

The real reason we have money problems are the high wages they pay themselves and the immigrants now coming in large numbers to take the benefits which were solely meant for the people here.
However, the way to get rid of the system was to bring those immigrants in to make the excuse. Now they have done what they were brought here to do, they don't want anymore in and they want those already here... OUT...
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« Reply #106 on: August 20, 2015, 09:28:51 PM »
You sound like ''no bread, let them eat cake''
I could agree less, Sass.

[quoteIt wasn't any old crime. Not a robbery not a burglary.
Just the taking of food itself not money from someones purse and not a mugging. Not a false claim for another benefit just wanting food having starved for days...[/quote]But its still a crime.  It's taking someone else's possession, and is very similar to taking money from someone's purse.

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Why not starve yourself for 4 days and then tell us you did not feel hunger pains or need to eat.
A more important question is why, in this day and age, had she been without food for 4 days.  After all, pretty well every town, city and even many villages have some form of food bank/provision for the homeless.

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The real reason we have money problems are the high wages they pay themselves and the immigrants now coming in large numbers to take the benefits which were solely meant for the people here.
However, the way to get rid of the system was to bring those immigrants in to make the excuse. Now they have done what they were brought here to do, they don't want anymore in and they want those already here... OUT...
Please tell me that you aren't being serious here, Sass.  Not only are immigrants 'taking the benefits which were solely meant for the people here".  Not sure that there a such benefits, but more importantly, the majority of immigrants are working and earning perfectly legitimately- and paying tax as appropriate.  Ironically, most immigrants want to work, but British law often states that they can't.  I used to teach the children of an Afghan who was a highy qualified and experienced ophthalmology surgeon, with qualifications from Moscow and London.  At the time, the local University College Hospital had a vacancy for just that speciality - yet it was made very clear that he was not eligible to apply for the job, even though he had received refugee status a year earlier.  By the time I left that job two years later, the post was still vacant!!
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« Reply #107 on: August 20, 2015, 09:40:35 PM »
Any chance that we might realise there is a difference in how we treat immigrants and asylum seekers, or is that like worrying about the apostrophe?

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« Reply #108 on: August 23, 2015, 06:37:34 PM »
Leaving out the expletives (though understanding the need for them), this is a superb critique of the disgraceful policies of the Tory government, disgracefully endorsed by Labour:

https://weegingerdug.wordpress.com/2015/08/23/the-tories-are-fucking-bastards/
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« Reply #109 on: August 23, 2015, 06:39:55 PM »
Leaving out the expletives (though understanding the need for them), this is a superb critique of the disgraceful policies of the Tory government, disgracefully endorsed by Labour:

https://weegingerdug.wordpress.com/2015/08/23/the-tories-are-fucking-bastards/
One of the best, and rightest, things I've encountered in some time.
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« Reply #110 on: August 27, 2015, 08:37:09 AM »
Apparently, this wonderful, caring government are arranging 'suicide training' for employees in job centres who have to cope with the consequences of the degrading, inhuman treatment meated out by Westminster on the most vulnerable members of society.

This is an interesting, though depressingly true, report from 'The National'.
http://www.thenational.scot/comment/when-compassion-disappears.6869
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« Reply #111 on: August 27, 2015, 01:21:31 PM »
Dear Jim,

Heard about this yesterday, apparently if someone is talking about suicide the job centre employee has a pink card to hold up.

If ever a post was ripe for expletives it's this one but I will settle for smileys. >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( >:( >:( >:( :-[ :-[ :'(

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« Reply #112 on: August 27, 2015, 01:22:53 PM »
.....and yet more truly shocking stats taken from the Daily Mirror web site.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/more-2500-benefit-claimants-die-6328956

This government has blood on its' hands.
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« Reply #113 on: August 27, 2015, 01:24:22 PM »
Dear Jim,

Heard about this yesterday, apparently if someone is talking about suicide the job centre employee has a pink card to hold up.

If ever a post was ripe for expletives it's this one but I will settle for smileys. >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( >:( >:( >:( :-[ :-[ :'(

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I must've posted this

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/more-2500-benefit-claimants-die-6328956

at the same time, Gonners.
Truly horrifying and shameful, imho.
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« Reply #114 on: August 28, 2015, 12:14:14 PM »
Any chance that we might realise there is a difference in how we treat immigrants and asylum seekers, or is that like worrying about the apostrophe?

Isn't there also a distinction from refugees?  Surely, those Syrians and Afghans who are fleeing to Europe come into this category?   Presumably, this is why Germany (at the moment) is accepting Syrians who are fleeing, and neither deporting them nor passing them on to another EU country.   
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« Reply #115 on: August 28, 2015, 06:40:26 PM »
Any chance that we might realise there is a difference in how we treat immigrants and asylum seekers, or is that like worrying about the apostrophe?

Isn't there also a distinction from refugees?  Surely, those Syrians and Afghans who are fleeing to Europe come into this category?   Presumably, this is why Germany (at the moment) is accepting Syrians who are fleeing, and neither deporting them nor passing them on to another EU country.

Why are they considered to be refugees if they have left the safe heaven of Turkey and Italy to try and pick a country of their choice ('based on welfare payments possibly?). And anyone working for border agency will tell you that not everyone claiming to be a Syrian is actually a Syrian.

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« Reply #116 on: September 07, 2015, 01:15:26 PM »
An update on Wings' appeal, and also appeals for suggestions for the rest of the cash raised:
http://wingsoverscotland.com/meanwhile-in-the-real-world/
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« Reply #117 on: January 16, 2016, 02:47:05 AM »
I could agree less, Sass.
A more important question is why, in this day and age, had she been without food for 4 days.  After all, pretty well every town, city and even many villages have some form of food bank/provision for the homeless.
Please tell me that you aren't being serious here, Sass.  Not only are immigrants 'taking the benefits which were solely meant for the people here".  Not sure that there a such benefits, but more importantly, the majority of immigrants are working and earning perfectly legitimately- and paying tax as appropriate.  Ironically, most immigrants want to work, but British law often states that they can't.  I used to teach the children of an Afghan who was a highy qualified and experienced ophthalmology surgeon, with qualifications from Moscow and London.  At the time, the local University College Hospital had a vacancy for just that speciality - yet it was made very clear that he was not eligible to apply for the job, even though he had received refugee status a year earlier.  By the time I left that job two years later, the post was still vacant!!

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« Reply #118 on: January 16, 2016, 10:38:02 AM »
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« Reply #119 on: January 16, 2016, 05:06:48 PM »
If you are hungry because you have no money you don't nick something which is nearly pure sugar you take something with a high fat content, or something that is more of a meal.

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« Reply #120 on: January 17, 2016, 02:01:31 AM »
If you are hungry because you have no money you don't nick something which is nearly pure sugar you take something with a high fat content, or something that is more of a meal.
No, you take what you think you can get away with.
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« Reply #121 on: January 18, 2016, 09:29:23 AM »
The point is that no one should be hungry or homeless in this country. Assylum seekers should not be allowed into a country where we cannot house our own.


Wait till the NHS disappears and they think no one will want to come here because even our own people will be dying because they cannot afford medical attention to be paid for.

The stupid government are trying to turn us into the uncaring Americans civilisation with ghettos and slums and people dying for they cannot afford medical insurance. Watch and learn because it won't hit everyone till it is too late. The rich and middle class get better off whilst the working class get poorer and become sick. But when the working class goes the upper classes fall with them/... The Working class are the back bone of the country and once they fail the whole body becomes paralysed.
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« Reply #122 on: January 18, 2016, 12:14:22 PM »
dadvokat, someone who opportunistically snatches Mars bars from a shop counter is unlikely to be in the same category as a burglar - or a regular shoplifter come to that.

It's good to read so many compassionate posts on this thread which far outweigh the ones by posters who have no inkling what it is like to live on Benefit and be desperate.  There but for the grace of God, etc.
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