Speaking in 'tongues'

[floo]

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[Anchorman]

As usual, you judge all those who are charismatics by the low standards of the fellowship you attended as a child.
There are charismatic within most denominations - through RC, Anglican, Baptist, evangelical, even as I can testify from my own experience, Church of Scotland.
The Charismatic movement is not confined to Pentecostalism (mor. thamkfully, the 'Toronto blessing')

[Walt Zingmatilder]

I wondered how many people have had experience of people speaking in so called 'tongues', or have actually indulged in it themselves?

It was a Sunday morning feature of my childhood. Two members of the congregation of the Elim Pentecostal church we attended, would suddenly feel impelled to spout gobbledegook, often during a prayer or the sermon! It was totally crazy and many of us tried to stifle giggles, including my mother.

As you would expect I am of the opinion that this nonsense is an aberration of the human brain and nothing to do with any deity, unless it enjoys watching people make total cretins of themselves. The notorious 'Toronto Blessing' where people actually barked liked dogs just goes to prove how totally idiotic this activity is.

People impelled to spout gobbledegook is a common feature of our society Floo. Statistically speaking, not speaking it is the aberration.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

I wondered how many people have had experience of people speaking in so called 'tongues', or have actually indulged in it themselves?

It was a Sunday morning feature of my childhood. Two members of the congregation of the Elim Pentecostal church we attended, would suddenly feel impelled to spout gobbledegook, often during a prayer or the sermon! It was totally crazy and many of us tried to stifle giggles, including my mother.

As you would expect I am of the opinion that this nonsense is an aberration of the human brain and nothing to do with any deity, unless it enjoys watching people make total cretins of themselves. The notorious 'Toronto Blessing' where people actually barked liked dogs just goes to prove how totally idiotic this activity is.

This was a problematic issue for the Christian community as commented on in the Epistles.

[Anchorman]

Again, a sweeping statement, floo.
Leaving your childhood experiences aside, have you actually studied the charismatic movement in any depth before coming to your opinion?

[Walt Zingmatilder]

As usual, you judge all those who are charismatics by the low standards of the fellowship you attended as a child.
There are charismatic within most denominations - through RC, Anglican, Baptist, evangelical, even as I can testify from my own experience, Church of Scotland.
The Charismatic movement is not confined to Pentecostalism (mor. thamkfully, the 'Toronto blessing')

If the charismatic way of doing things turns you on, fine, but I find it totally embarrassing and cringe worthy.

Floo, did you ever try it yourself.

All the teaching I've heard is that it is under the control of the person not a ''possession'' or anything like that by God.

[Anchorman]

Vlad:
Yep.
There has never been an occasion when I am not fully in control.
There has never been an occasion when I let the experience substitute for the study of Scripture (nor should there be)

That's why I have no interest in the 'Toronto blessing'.
I have no wish to bark like a dog for Jesus - or anyone else, for that matter.

[ippy]

I wondered how many people have had experience of people speaking in so called 'tongues', or have actually indulged in it themselves?

It was a Sunday morning feature of my childhood. Two members of the congregation of the Elim Pentecostal church we attended, would suddenly feel impelled to spout gobbledegook, often during a prayer or the sermon! It was totally crazy and many of us tried to stifle giggles, including my mother.

As you would expect I am of the opinion that this nonsense is an aberration of the human brain and nothing to do with any deity, unless it enjoys watching people make total cretins of themselves. The notorious 'Toronto Blessing' where people actually barked liked dogs just goes to prove how totally idiotic this activity is.

 Floo, speaking in 'tongues', it's no more loony than a large amount of the rest of it.

ippy

[Alan Burns]

I have attended many services where the congregation start to sing in tongues.  The singing often comprises of beautiful spontaneous harmonies which are worlds away from the dreadful noises produced in the Toronto Blessing.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

I wondered how many people have had experience of people speaking in so called 'tongues', or have actually indulged in it themselves?

It was a Sunday morning feature of my childhood. Two members of the congregation of the Elim Pentecostal church we attended, would suddenly feel impelled to spout gobbledegook, often during a prayer or the sermon! It was totally crazy and many of us tried to stifle giggles, including my mother.

As you would expect I am of the opinion that this nonsense is an aberration of the human brain and nothing to do with any deity, unless it enjoys watching people make total cretins of themselves. The notorious 'Toronto Blessing' where people actually barked liked dogs just goes to prove how totally idiotic this activity is.

 Floo, speaking in 'tongues', it's no more loony than a large amount of the rest of it.

What like Christian aid and food banks?

[ippy]

I wondered how many people have had experience of people speaking in so called 'tongues', or have actually indulged in it themselves?

It was a Sunday morning feature of my childhood. Two members of the congregation of the Elim Pentecostal church we attended, would suddenly feel impelled to spout gobbledegook, often during a prayer or the sermon! It was totally crazy and many of us tried to stifle giggles, including my mother.

As you would expect I am of the opinion that this nonsense is an aberration of the human brain and nothing to do with any deity, unless it enjoys watching people make total cretins of themselves. The notorious 'Toronto Blessing' where people actually barked liked dogs just goes to prove how totally idiotic this activity is.

 Floo, speaking in 'tongues', it's no more loony than a large amount of the rest of it.

What like Christian aid and food banks?

Floo, speaking in 'tongues', it's no more loony than a large amount of the rest of it.

[ad_orientem]

If it sounds like gobbledegook it's most probably because it is. On the day of Pentecost every man heard the Apostles speaking in his own tongue.

[Shaker]

If it sounds like gobbledegook it's most probably because it is.

One to remember, for sure 

[Anchorman]

Again, a sweeping statement, floo.
Leaving your childhood experiences aside, have you actually studied the charismatic movement in any depth before coming to your opinion?

I have seen enough of it to know it makes me want to vomit, that is how strongly I dislike it!

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So: you've seen charismatic Anglicans?
Roman Catholics?
Church of Scotland?
When. where, and what did you see, please?

[Hope]

I have seen enough of it to know it makes me want to vomit, that is how strongly I dislike it!

This suggests that you have actually seen very little of it, Floo.  I realise that for some parts of Pentecostalism speaking in tongues is a must-have, but there is nothing 'must-have' in the Biblical teaching.  If anything, it is deemed to be something that is not that common. 

May I also remind you that 'speaking in tongues' doesn't onmly refer to speaking with sounds that could be deemed to be gobbledegook.  The 2nd Chapter of Acts records an event where hundreds, if not thousands of poeople heard the Gospel being declared in their own languages, but coming from the mouths of a small group of Jews.  'Speaking in tongues' ranges from speaking in a human language that you no previous knowledge of to expressing things in ways that human language currently has no set forms for.  Its very similar to the long, drawn-out Wow's and Sheesh's one often hears when people see something astonishing (after all, neither of those terms have any meaning in any dictionary)

[Anchorman]

Again, a sweeping statement, floo.
Leaving your childhood experiences aside, have you actually studied the charismatic movement in any depth before coming to your opinion?

I have seen enough of it to know it makes me want to vomit, that is how strongly I dislike it!

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So: you've seen charismatic Anglicans?
Roman Catholics?
Church of Scotland?
When. where, and what did you see, please?

OK then explain your definition of charismatic, maybe it is different to mine.

-Charismatic:
Someone who has experienced the gifts of the Holy Spirit, and exercises them.

I could fling in jargon and theology speak, but, basically, that's it.

[Anchorman]

So, again:
Have you witnessed the exercise of these gifts in any other context apart from the one you endured as a child?

[Hope]

The so called 'gifts' of the mythical HS are crazy nonsense, imo!

Teaching, Serving, hospitality, the ability to make wise judgements, Exhortation, the ability to heal, Giving, Leadership, Mercy- these are all 'crazy nonsense'?  Should you wish to check out others, see Romans 12: 6-8 and 1 Corinthians 12: 8-10

[2Corrie]

I wondered how many people have had experience of people speaking in so called 'tongues', or have actually indulged in it themselves?

It was a Sunday morning feature of my childhood. Two members of the congregation of the Elim Pentecostal church we attended, would suddenly feel impelled to spout gobbledegook, often during a prayer or the sermon! It was totally crazy and many of us tried to stifle giggles, including my mother.

As you would expect I am of the opinion that this nonsense is an aberration of the human brain and nothing to do with any deity, unless it enjoys watching people make total cretins of themselves. The notorious 'Toronto Blessing' where people actually barked liked dogs just goes to prove how totally idiotic this activity is.

Blimey, a Floo post that I agree with 

I have on the other hand heard of someone being empowered to preach the gospel in a foreign language (which they could not speak)

[ippy]

The so called 'gifts' of the mythical HS are crazy nonsense, imo!

Teaching, Serving, hospitality, the ability to make wise judgements, Exhortation, the ability to heal, Giving, Leadership, Mercy- these are all 'crazy nonsense'?  Should you wish to check out others, see Romans 12: 6-8 and 1 Corinthians 12: 8-10

I suppose there's no way you could back up; no no don't worry.

ippy

[Anchorman]

The so called 'gifts' of the mythical HS are crazy nonsense, imo!

Teaching, Serving, hospitality, the ability to make wise judgements, Exhortation, the ability to heal, Giving, Leadership, Mercy- these are all 'crazy nonsense'?  Should you wish to check out others, see Romans 12: 6-8 and 1 Corinthians 12: 8-10

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C'mon, Hope.
Floo's read her Bible.
She's supposed  to know this...dunno why she condemns it, though.....

[Gordon]

The so called 'gifts' of the mythical HS are crazy nonsense, imo!

Teaching, Serving, hospitality, the ability to make wise judgements, Exhortation, the ability to heal, Giving, Leadership, Mercy- these are all 'crazy nonsense'?  Should you wish to check out others, see Romans 12: 6-8 and 1 Corinthians 12: 8-10

Take out the 'ability to heal' bit and the rest are human behaviours, not that every human exhibits them all.

[Hope]

Take out the 'ability to heal' bit and the rest are human behaviours, not that every human exhibits them all.

I'd disagree with you on two scores; firstly I believe that these are all abilities (not merely behaviours) with which humans are endowed by a creator God.  The fact that not all humans exhibit all of them is actually highlighted in the two passages I referenced.  'Some are ...; some are ...; ...'
Secondly, I believe that people can be healed by other humans.  Through the use of their God-given skills, doctors and nurses are able to heal other humans (and other species as well)

[Shaker]

I'd disagree with you on two scores

This should be good ...

firstly I believe that these are all abilities (not merely behaviours) with which humans are endowed by a creator God.  The fact that not all humans exhibit all of them is actually highlighted in the two passages I referenced.  'Some are ...; some are ...; ...'

Mere unsubstantiated belief with which we needn't trouble ourselves, then.

Secondly, I believe that people can be healed by other humans.  Through the use of their God-given skills, doctors and nurses are able to heal other humans (and other species as well)

It looks as though you've been taking lessons from Alan Burns. He too is very fond of shoring up his god-belief by ensuring that it has the magic cloak of indefeasibility and is specially greased to be able to slip away from every challenge and critique when on any other issue any rational person would conclude: "Yeah, you're right; this hypothesis is a load of old pony." Humans healing humans (or non-human animals) is what doctors, nurses, surgeons, vets - medical folk generally - do, because humans have a theory of mind and generally are an empathetic lot, able imaginatively to place themselves in the position of one who is suffering even though they themselves are not. (Exceptions to this rule are sociopaths). Adding God into the picture as the ultimate "rationale" (not the word I'm after, obviously) for this violates Occam's Razor. It's the classic fifth wheel; useless lumber that means nothing, does nothing, says nothing and explains nothing.

[Gordon]

Take out the 'ability to heal' bit and the rest are human behaviours, not that every human exhibits them all.

I'd disagree with you on two scores; firstly I believe that these are all abilities (not merely behaviours) with which humans are endowed by a creator God.  The fact that not all humans exhibit all of them is actually highlighted in the two passages I referenced.  'Some are ...; some are ...; ...'
Secondly, I believe that people can be healed by other humans.  Through the use of their God-given skills, doctors and nurses are able to heal other humans (and other species as well)

This reads like the Mary Poppins approach to theology - apply a 'spoonful of sugar' so that it tastes nicer: but apply it only to the bits you already like.

Now that you clarified that by 'healing' you are talking about people applying the skills they have learned, like Mrs G (who is a Community Nurse), then all the attributes you mention are exactly that: human attributes which our species has the capacity for, along with the associated behaviours.

We aren't clones though so these attributes aren't uniformally distributed; so some prople have natural leadership skills, many are altruistic and choose to learn skills and take on roles that support others, and some acquire profioiency at playing snooker - this is all just applied biology though.

Interesting that you rush to credit your God with the good stuff but not the bad stuff: cue excuses that get God off the hook.