Speaking in 'tongues'

[Alien]

You'll knit sawdust before you get a straight answer to a straight question out of this one, blue.

Maybe not. BHS engages in actual discussion rather than the sort of sound bites you provide us with most of the time.

[Alien]

Part of my approach is to point out that history is not naturalistic, despite the protestations of some here.

Yes it is.

Unless of course you're going to do what you've so far signally failed to do despite innumerable requests and provide a methodology for assessing supernatural claims.

If there is a God and he is the Muslim God then he could take Mo for such a trip, but there is a God and he is not the Muslim God so there is no good reason for thinking he would take Mo for such a ride (that I know of).

This sort of twaddle is of course mere assertion, which we can ignore.

So, do you think Islam is correct?

[Shaker]

Part of my approach is to point out that history is not naturalistic, despite the protestations of some here.

Yes it is.

Unless of course you're going to do what you've so far signally failed to do despite innumerable requests and provide a methodology for assessing supernatural claims.

If there is a God and he is the Muslim God then he could take Mo for such a trip, but there is a God and he is not the Muslim God so there is no good reason for thinking he would take Mo for such a ride (that I know of).

This sort of twaddle is of course mere assertion, which we can ignore.

So, do you think Islam is correct?

In what respect?

[Shaker]

You'll knit sawdust before you get a straight answer to a straight question out of this one, blue.

Maybe not. BHS engages in actual discussion rather than the sort of sound bites you provide us with most of the time.

Short, sweet and accurate is my watchword 

[Alien]

Part of my approach is to point out that history is not naturalistic, despite the protestations of some here.

Yes it is.

Unless of course you're going to do what you've so far signally failed to do despite innumerable requests and provide a methodology for assessing supernatural claims.

If there is a God and he is the Muslim God then he could take Mo for such a trip, but there is a God and he is not the Muslim God so there is no good reason for thinking he would take Mo for such a ride (that I know of).

This sort of twaddle is of course mere assertion, which we can ignore.

So, do you think Islam is correct?

In what respect?

Its claim that there is one God and that Mohammed is his messenger.

[Alien]

You'll knit sawdust before you get a straight answer to a straight question out of this one, blue.

Maybe not. BHS engages in actual discussion rather than the sort of sound bites you provide us with most of the time.

Short, sweet and accurate is my watchword 

[Leonard James]

Why is it imaginary, Len?

Because it is not based on any facts.

[Alien]

Why is it imaginary, Len?

Because it is not based on any facts.

Why do you claim that, Len?

[Gordon]

but there is a God and he is not the Muslim God so there is no good reason for thinking he would take Mo for such a ride (that I know of).

If a Muslim said ' but there is a God and he is not the Christian God so there is no good reason for thinking he would resurrect Jesus from being dead' they would seemingly be stating their case on the same basis that you have stated yours - that they can is surely as problematic for Christianity as you think yours is for Islam. 

[Leonard James]

Why is it imaginary, Len?

Because it is not based on any facts.

Why do you claim that, Len?

Because it's true. There no facts that back up god stories.

[Shaker]

Its claim that there is one God and that Mohammed is his messenger.

No. No more so than you do.

But then I disbelieve in all gods, or I wouldn't be an atheist.

[Alien]

but there is a God and he is not the Muslim God so there is no good reason for thinking he would take Mo for such a ride (that I know of).

If a Muslim said ' but there is a God and he is not the Christian God so there is no good reason for thinking he would resurrect Jesus from being dead' they would seemingly be stating their case on the same basis that you have stated yours - that they can is surely as problematic for Christianity as you think yours is for Islam.

Then we would need to look to see if there were sufficient grounds for believing Islam to be true. If it isn't, the night flight by Mohammed goes out of the window since there is not even a claim for evidence for it happening outside the Quran and Muslims claim that the Quran came entirely through Mohammed.
Compare this with the Christian claim for the resurrection of Jesus: Recording by at least 5 1st century authors of details of about a dozen individuals and groups who claimed to have met Jesus after his flogging and crucifixion, the empty tomb and the start of the Christian church.
Islam? Mo said he went on a night flight.

[Alien]

Why is it imaginary, Len?

Because it is not based on any facts.

Why do you claim that, Len?

Because it's true. There no facts that back up god stories.

Why do you claim that, Len (without just repeating yourself)?

[Shaker]

Because it's true - there are no facts that back up god stories.

Unless you can think of some, of course, in which case I'd be very interested to hear them.

[Alien]

Because it's true - there are no facts that back up god stories.

Unless you can think of some, of course, in which case I'd be very interested to hear them.

As in there are nothing which you recognize as facts which back up god stories?

[Shaker]

Because it's true - there are no facts that back up god stories.

Unless you can think of some, of course, in which case I'd be very interested to hear them.

As in there are nothing which you recognize as facts which back up god stories?

No, as in no facts.

[Gordon]

Compare this with the Christian claim for the resurrection of Jesus: Recording by at least 5 1st century authors of details of about a dozen individuals and groups who claimed to have met Jesus after his flogging and crucifixion, the empty tomb and the start of the Christian church.
Islam? Mo said he went on a night flight.

Christians said Jesus was resurrected - so no real difference there then: just claims.

How do you know they weren't lying?

[Alien]

Because it's true - there are no facts that back up god stories.

Unless you can think of some, of course, in which case I'd be very interested to hear them.

As in there are nothing which you recognize as facts which back up god stories?

No, as in no facts.

Why do you think that to be the case? You are making a positive claim here and thus the burden of proof is yours.

[Shaker]

Why do you think that to be the case?

Because there are no facts that back up god stories.

You are making a positive claim here and thus the burden of proof is yours.

That's right, and I'm making that positive claim on the grounds that there are no facts which back up god stories.

[Gordon]

Because it's true - there are no facts that back up god stories.

Unless you can think of some, of course, in which case I'd be very interested to hear them.

As in there are nothing which you recognize as facts which back up god stories?

Ah - so Christians have their own facts then?

[Shaker]

Because it's true - there are no facts that back up god stories.

Unless you can think of some, of course, in which case I'd be very interested to hear them.

As in there are nothing which you recognize as facts which back up god stories?

Ah - so Christians have their own facts then?

Some of them appear to, G 

[Alien]

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How do you know they weren't lying?

Because of the reasons given lots of times before which you seem to have missed. Do you really want me to go into this again or is this Gordon's WUM day?

[Alien]

Why do you think that to be the case?

Because there are no facts that back up god stories.

You are making a positive claim here and thus the burden of proof is yours.

That's right, and I'm making that positive claim on the grounds that there are no facts which back up god stories.

OK, over to you to demonstrate your claim is correct. No hurry.

[Alien]

Because it's true - there are no facts that back up god stories.

Unless you can think of some, of course, in which case I'd be very interested to hear them.

As in there are nothing which you recognize as facts which back up god stories?

Ah - so Christians have their own facts then?

No, I did not claim that and you know I did not claim that. Naughty boy. For your punishment, go and watch Scotland play a game of rugby.

[Shaker]

OK, over to you to demonstrate your claim is correct. No hurry.

So you're asking me to prove a negative by demonstrating the absence of something which you already know to be the case, then?