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Re: Speaking in 'tongues'
« Reply #1100 on: November 14, 2017, 04:41:38 PM »
This is one heck of a thread floo! I've read the first half dozen pages, don't know if I'll plough through the rest but I love the comments so far. You were humourous.

I think the only Christians who would defend speaking in tongues are those who do it & they may feel tongues need no defence so don't engage in discussion of it. It is for many people a private thing which they call "Praying in the Spirit".

Those who, as you described, do it en masse publicly in church making lots of noise are a different matter.

(It's not something I've ever done nor wanted to and have only seen it on TV.)
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Re: Speaking in 'tongues'
« Reply #1101 on: November 14, 2017, 10:41:50 PM »
I use the gift in my private prayer times, and find it an excellent aid to devotion.
I know the concept of a Presbyterian charismatic is a contradiction in terms, but, for me, it works.
There's no need for mass hysteria, or out-of-control nonsense - which is a product of mass hysteria at best, or of great acting skills at worst.
Nor do I even think of contemplating the 'Toronto Blessing' - I have no widh to bark like a dog for Jesus.
However, I take the bit in Romans when Paul say that the Spirit prays for us and in us in groans we cannot fathom as a clue.
Sometimes, whether in stree or in joy, when the words I want to say won't come, I bridge the silence in tongues, and the prayers flow again.
I see nothing dangerous, nor extraordinary in this; nor do I see it as something Christians 'must' or 'must not' have.
The charisma are listed in several places in the Pauline letters - or some of them, because they are simply gifst God uses for His purpose.
It could be healing, or preaching, or admin, or computer skills (I wish....) or whatever - but whatever gift we are given, if we are Christian we are to use it to glorify God, not ourselves.
"for, as long as but a hundred of us remain alive, never will we on any conditions be brought under English rule. It is in truth not for glory, nor riches, nor honours that we are fighting, but for freedom - for that alone, which no honest man gives up but with life itself."

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Re: Speaking in 'tongues'
« Reply #1102 on: November 14, 2017, 11:16:49 PM »
Are you for real ???

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Re: Speaking in 'tongues'
« Reply #1103 on: November 15, 2017, 08:40:50 AM »
Are you for real ???


Yep.
The gify came in useful in my personal life when my sight - never anything to write home about - took a serious downturn in my early twenties and I lost all ability to read any kind of print.
I used tongues a lot in prayer then, to vent frustrations - get angry at God - as well as open myself in meditative prayer.
Since then, I've got gadgets which will help the reading thing.
Those who have never really experienced the charisma will naturally scoff - and since the only way to experience them is to accept the Christ who is the Lord you don't believe in, then you sim,ply won't understand any of this.
Not that I'm advocating that every Christian should have them - that's nothing to do with me, but between them and God.
"for, as long as but a hundred of us remain alive, never will we on any conditions be brought under English rule. It is in truth not for glory, nor riches, nor honours that we are fighting, but for freedom - for that alone, which no honest man gives up but with life itself."

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Re: Speaking in 'tongues'
« Reply #1104 on: November 15, 2017, 08:45:44 AM »
I saw him. His act was shit....... I think he followed through!
Think of the performance possible if he went on stage when he was feeling a little funny.

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Re: Speaking in 'tongues'
« Reply #1105 on: November 15, 2017, 08:47:53 AM »

Yep.
The gify came in useful in my personal life when my sight - never anything to write home about - took a serious downturn in my early twenties and I lost all ability to read any kind of print.
I used tongues a lot in prayer then, to vent frustrations - get angry at God - as well as open myself in meditative prayer.
Since then, I've got gadgets which will help the reading thing.
Those who have never really experienced the charisma will naturally scoff - and since the only way to experience them is to accept the Christ who is the Lord you don't believe in, then you sim,ply won't understand any of this.
Not that I'm advocating that every Christian should have them - that's nothing to do with me, but between them and God.
why do you pray to and worship the THING that could cure you but doesn't , with such love and passion ?

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Re: Speaking in 'tongues'
« Reply #1106 on: November 15, 2017, 09:12:47 AM »
Because He changed my life and gave me a joy beyond description?
"for, as long as but a hundred of us remain alive, never will we on any conditions be brought under English rule. It is in truth not for glory, nor riches, nor honours that we are fighting, but for freedom - for that alone, which no honest man gives up but with life itself."

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Re: Speaking in 'tongues'
« Reply #1107 on: November 15, 2017, 09:21:01 AM »
Because He changed my life and gave me a joy beyond description?
he's very selfish and spiteful then , why doesn't he make us all blind so we can experience the same joy as you .

btw I'm not criticising your blindness just your warped reasoning.

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Re: Speaking in 'tongues'
« Reply #1108 on: November 15, 2017, 09:40:02 AM »
he's very selfish and spiteful then , why doesn't he make us all blind so we can experience the same joy as you .

btw I'm not criticising your blindness just your warped reasoning.
You are ignoring what Christianity proposes.
1: God has decreed that he will give the universe agency......He created nature.
2: He only interferes extremely occasionally in the material development of the universe and the agency of the universe.
3: There are to be a new heaven and earth and we are to receive new bodies. So I suppose that means ''old'' eyes.

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Re: Speaking in 'tongues'
« Reply #1109 on: November 15, 2017, 09:50:56 AM »

3: There are to be a new heaven and earth and we are to receive new bodies. So I suppose that means ''old'' eyes.
IYO will the new Earth be created within the current ie, physical universe?
Where is the current Heaven?
Will the new one be a straight replacement or will there be a relocation?
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Re: Speaking in 'tongues'
« Reply #1110 on: November 15, 2017, 09:58:42 AM »
he's very selfish and spiteful then , why doesn't he make us all blind so we can experience the same joy as you .

btw I'm not criticising your blindness just your warped reasoning.
 


Eh?
Who said anything about making me blind?
Stuff happens.
"for, as long as but a hundred of us remain alive, never will we on any conditions be brought under English rule. It is in truth not for glory, nor riches, nor honours that we are fighting, but for freedom - for that alone, which no honest man gives up but with life itself."

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Re: Speaking in 'tongues'
« Reply #1111 on: November 15, 2017, 10:03:14 AM »
You are ignoring what Christianity proposes.
1: God has decreed that he will give the universe agency......He created nature.
2: He only interferes extremely occasionally in the material development of the universe and the agency of the universe.
3: There are to be a new heaven and earth and we are to receive new bodies. So I suppose that means ''old'' eyes.
I'm not going to engage with you other than to say PROOVE IT

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Re: Speaking in 'tongues'
« Reply #1112 on: November 15, 2017, 10:04:11 AM »
IYO will the new Earth be created within the current ie, physical universe?
Where is the current Heaven?
Will the new one be a straight replacement or will there be a relocation?
1: Location I don't know
2: Current location of Heaven. Night club in London
3: I am not aware of plans to relocate or convert this mainly LGBT club into a ''Straight replacement''

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Re: Speaking in 'tongues'
« Reply #1113 on: November 15, 2017, 10:06:38 AM »
I'm not going to engage with you other than to say PROOVE IT
I just said that this is what Christianity proposes.
What is contentious is whether you caricature version of Christianity is what Christianity proposes.

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Re: Speaking in 'tongues'
« Reply #1114 on: November 15, 2017, 10:13:01 AM »
I just said that this is what Christianity proposes.
What is contentious is whether you caricature version of Christianity is what Christianity proposes.
I've already said I'm not going to engage with you ,

Simply, come back to me when you've either abandoned your beliefs or you've got some PROOFS

thank you

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Re: Speaking in 'tongues'
« Reply #1115 on: November 15, 2017, 10:49:03 AM »
I've already said I'm not going to engage with you ,

Simply, come back to me when you've either abandoned your beliefs or you've got some PROOFS

thank you
Are you confusing what one knows with what one believes?

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Re: Speaking in 'tongues'
« Reply #1116 on: November 15, 2017, 10:51:46 AM »
Are you confusing what one knows with what one believes?
That's Alan Burns - I don't think he's signed in yet today.

Might be along later though.
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Re: Speaking in 'tongues'
« Reply #1117 on: November 15, 2017, 11:25:34 AM »
1: Location I don't know
2: Current location of Heaven. Night club in London
3: I am not aware of plans to relocate or convert this mainly LGBT club into a ''Straight replacement''
I suppose that is the best one can expect from a black belt turd polisher.
Hey ho.
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Re: Speaking in 'tongues'
« Reply #1118 on: November 15, 2017, 12:26:27 PM »
Are you confusing what one knows with what one believes?
as I said earlier, only proofs or abandonment of belief please . Then I'll engage properly . I look forward to that .

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Re: Speaking in 'tongues'
« Reply #1119 on: November 15, 2017, 01:35:30 PM »
as I said earlier, only proofs or abandonment of belief please . Then I'll engage properly . I look forward to that .
Prove that the material univese exists, or stop believing in it.
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Re: Speaking in 'tongues'
« Reply #1120 on: November 15, 2017, 01:38:18 PM »
Prove that the material univese exists, or stop believing in it.
as I said earlier, only proofs or abandonment of belief please . Then I'll engage properly . I look forward to that .

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Re: Speaking in 'tongues'
« Reply #1121 on: November 15, 2017, 01:44:55 PM »
as I said earlier, only proofs or abandonment of belief please . Then I'll engage properly . I look forward to that .
That's precisely what I'm challenging you about Moderator: content removed. Can you prove that the material universe exists? If not, stop believing in it.
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Re: Speaking in 'tongues'
« Reply #1122 on: November 15, 2017, 02:40:06 PM »
That's precisely what I'm challenging you about Moderator: content removed. Can you prove that the material universe exists? If not, stop believing in it.
as I said earlier, only proofs or abandonment of belief please . Then I'll engage properly . I look forward to that .

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Re: Speaking in 'tongues'
« Reply #1123 on: November 15, 2017, 06:32:37 PM »
I suppose that is the best one can expect from a black belt turd polisher.
Black belt? You mean Brown belt surely?

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Re: Speaking in 'tongues'
« Reply #1124 on: November 15, 2017, 06:56:12 PM »
Black belt? You mean Brown belt surely?
No.
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