A war on gay persons still at school

[Shaker]

Why are we discussing the possible effects of promiscuity on a thread about homosexuality?

Yes ... I'd been wondering that too, until I saw who brought up the subject (of promiscuity, on a thread about gay teenagers in school) and then stopped wondering.

[jeremyp]

Even the OP about bullying gay kids has been derailed!   This shows that there is still an attempt by some to invalidate gays and their experience, and to denigrate them.

Interestingly, wiggi, the derail took place between posts #3 and #7.

No.  The derail happened in reply #1, i.e. your reply.  The original post was not about gay children being bullied.

ETA:  I see you have since acknowledged your mistake and apologised for it.

[Shaker]

Gordon, in his post #54 Shaker questioned why behaviours that undoubtedly cause harm to people should be associated with homosexuality since, as he said, it doesn't.  I think you would agree that, as responsible citizens we are not only entitled to, but are required to warn people of the consequences of their actions.  Why this should suddenly be supressed when it comes to matters of sex, I'm not quite sure.

Yet this is merely a belief of yours, as stated in #88.

[Owlswing]

It is enforcing it's rules and all students are well aware of these rules before they attend.

Nobody is disputing that the rule exists.   We are just pointing out that the rule is wrong.

Why has JC's post quoted here disappeared?

It hasn't, it's still there.

OK - I must have missed it - I went back several times to look for it, but hey, add blind to senile.

[Nearly Sane]

Apologies, CMG, but your post just made me think of this


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpGegoE3Kik

[Owlswing]

Apologies, CMG, but your post just made me think of this


http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gpGegoE3Kik

BLOODY HELL and ICE CREAM!

That takes me back some!

High heels and flairs! Those WERE the days!

Oh happy memories - thanks for this NS!

[Aruntraveller]

On this whole issue of gay men being more promiscuous - they are. I have no doubt about that. However to attribute that to homosexuality seems to be the error here.

It is much more to do with the nature of male and female sexuality. That is one of the reasons why in studies on infidelity amongst  heterosexuals there is always reported a much higher proportion of men being unfaithful than women. Of course the women could just be better liars, but I think given the number of studies done and the consistency of the figures this is unlikely to be the case and the increasing sophistication of sampling also mitigates against the possibility of errors.

What, is also inarguable in my mind is the fact that having existed outside of the mainstream of society for so long, and in many cases being denied the possibility of forming long term relationships, gay men simply took solace where they could. AS I pointed out earlier there are already indications that wider acceptance of gay people is leading to a change in sexual behaviour amongst gay men. This is to be welcomed. This is not because I am in any way priggish about sex - it's just because I think it is better for some people, gay or straight, to be in long term stable relationships. I say "some" because I recognise that this is not for everyone and I do not wish to in any way denigrate the lives they need to lead for their own peace of mind and health.

[OH MY WORLD!]

OK, well here we go then, some of you say the rules are wrong. Then here's what you do, YOU DON"T GO THERE! Duh! If you are fooling your parents and the school, nothing good will come from that. That's also a, HELLO, ANYBODY IN THERE? And he started skronking to boot! Homo or hetero, that's also against THE RULES! Again DUH! Now somebody out there is going to come up with the brilliant line that the rules are wrong. Yup! Don't go to that school then. So simple really. No, this is a case of a certain dear persons never ending war on anything Christian. That's all. He's scouring the internet everyday looking for outrageous Christian stories. (snork) And a complete fail here with this one.

[Leonard James]

It is enforcing it's rules and all students are well aware of these rules before they attend.

Nobody is disputing that the rule exists.   We are just pointing out that the rule is wrong.

Why has JC's post quoted here disappeared?

It hasn't, it's still there.

OK - I must have missed it - I went back several times to look for it, but hey, add blind to senile.

No, it's a quirk of the board or your computer.

I, too, have noticed posts disappear and then reappear ... I don't know where the bug is, but it certainly ain't in my brain!

I suppose some clever clogs will now ask for evidence of that. 

[Outrider]

With the even greater irony that the very people who insist on documentary, scientifically verifiable evidence don't like it when it disagrees with their own opinion.

I've addressed my issues with your 'scientifically verifiable evidence' in a fair amount of detail above, please feel free to correct my interpretation if you want. I've felt more than free to correct yours, especially where you directly contradict the findings actually explicitly expressed in the reports that you've cited.

O.

[Owlswing]

It is enforcing it's rules and all students are well aware of these rules before they attend.

Nobody is disputing that the rule exists.   We are just pointing out that the rule is wrong.

Why has JC's post quoted here disappeared?

It hasn't, it's still there.

OK - I must have missed it - I went back several times to look for it, but hey, add blind to senile.

No, it's a quirk of the board or your computer.

I, too, have noticed posts disappear and then reappear ... I don't know where the bug is, but it certainly ain't in my brain!

I suppose some clever clogs will now ask for evidence of that. 

With odds that far "odds-on" I ain't betting!

[Owlswing]

OK, . . . this is a case of a certain dear persons never ending war on anything Christian. That's all. He's scouring the internet everyday looking for outrageous Christian stories.

I do not pursue a never-ending war on anything Christian. What I pursue is a war against the sanctimonious hyper-Christians like you, Hope, and Sassy who are so far up themselves and their religion that they are incapable of admitting that anything done by or in the name of their religion could possibly be wrong.

They are incapable of following their own rules!

What does the Bible say - erm - oh yes - Thou shalt love they neighbour as thyself - you three must really really hate yourselves if the attitudes you demonstrate on this board towards your neighbours on the board are anything to go by.

We are not talking about the schoool rules - we are talking about the blind persecution of homosexuals by the three above-named no matter where the homosexuals are situate.

The article was not scoured from the internet, it was part of a main article on Yahoo News, concerning Christian exclusion of homosexuals from religious life, from Christian communities.

Christians have forgotten that homosexuals are, just like them, human and, like humans everywhere, including all Christians, are flawed in one way or another.

The has been only one perfect (supposedly) human on this planet, ever, and I have no wish to end up nailed on a cross like he was.

Everything anyone says that you, in you cocoon of Christian hyper-superiority to anyone non-Christian is greeted as "too funny" or "snork", you are just incapable of accepting any form of criticism of your beliefs while heaping tons onto any other belief.

If you put as much effort into being a good person as you do into ridiculing me and others and our beliefs on this board you might get to be a bit more of a decent human being.

Now, take you milk and cookies and go sit in a corner and sulk because someone doesn't like and rejects your religion!

I look forward in eager anticipation to your super-intelligent (not!) retort. 

[Leonard James]

OK, . . . this is a case of a certain dear persons never ending war on anything Christian. That's all. He's scouring the internet everyday looking for outrageous Christian stories.

I do not pursue a never-ending war on anything Christian. What I pursue is a war against the sanctimonious hyper-Christians like you, Hope, and Sassy who are so far up themselves and their religion that they are incapable of admitting that anything done by or in the name of their religion could possibly be wrong.

They are incapable of following their own rules!

What does the Bible say - erm - oh yes - Thou shalt love they neighbour as thyself - you three must really really hate yourselves if the attitudes you demonstrate on this board towards your neighbours on the board are anything to go by.

We are not talking about the schoool rules - we are talking about the blind persecution of homosexuals by the three above-named no matter where the homosexuals are situate.

The article was not scoured from the internet, it was part of a main article on Yahoo News, concerning Christian exclusion of homosexuals from religious life, from Christian communities.

Christians have forgotten that homosexuals are, just like them, human and, like humans everywhere, including all Christians, are flawed in one way or another.

The has been only one perfect (supposedly) human on this planet, ever, and I have no wish to end up nailed on a cross like he was.

Everything anyone says that you, in you cocoon of Christian hyper-superiority to anyone non-Christian is greeted as "too funny" or "snork", you are just incapable of accepting any form of criticism of your beliefs while heaping tons onto any other belief.

If you put as much effort into being a good person as you do into ridiculing me and others and our beliefs on this board you might get to be a bit more of a decent human being.

Now, take you milk and cookies and go sit in a corner and sulk because someone doesn't like and rejects your religion!

I look forward in eager anticipation to your super-intelligent (not!) retort.

 

Well done mate! The terrible trio  would do well to take a hard and honest look at themselves and their sanctimonious claptrap. But they won't, of course. They are too busy being fake Christians.

Jesus would turn over in his grave if he could see them.

[Outrider]

The problem with this tirade is that I happen to believe that promiscuity is harmful to those who are involved in it.

You can believe it as much as you'd like, but the citations you gave were either implicitly or explicitly unclear on causation - they showed corrrelation, but there's nothing in there to show that promiscuity causes these problems rather than these problems causing promiscuity, or promiscuity and these problems both being caused by a third factor.

So you are correct in saying that numerically the numbers are greater on the heterosexual side - but that doesn't mean that we oughtn't to be concerned about the harm that promiscuous gays are doing to themselves, especially as the proportions reported in the reports I quoted, all show proportionately higher numbers amongst homosexuals, and especially amongst gay males.

So is this actually an issue about men? The more men are involved the more promiscuity is likely?

If you're linking promiscuity to harm, why aren't you advocating against: a) men or b) promiscuity. Why make the issue about homosexuality when at least half of that populace, by your own reckoning, are less likely to come to harm than the norm.

Furthermore, no person, gay or straight, is isolated.  He or she will have family, friends, work and hobby/sporting colleagues all of whom can be affected by any harm that the individual causes to themselves.

And, equally, they can be affected by the negative attitudes of members of the society around them...

O.

[Outrider]

OK, well here we go then, some of you say the rules are wrong. Then here's what you do, YOU DON"T GO THERE! Duh! If you are fooling your parents and the school, nothing good will come from that. That's also a, HELLO, ANYBODY IN THERE? And he started skronking to boot! Homo or hetero, that's also against THE RULES! Again DUH! Now somebody out there is going to come up with the brilliant line that the rules are wrong. Yup! Don't go to that school then. So simple really. No, this is a case of a certain dear persons never ending war on anything Christian. That's all. He's scouring the internet everyday looking for outrageous Christian stories. (snork) And a complete fail here with this one.

In exactly the same way that black people didn't need to go to the whites only beaches and pools, right...

Funds are being directed to these Christian institutions to indoctrinate children because of an affiliation of their parents. Funds are being used to support these institutions to segregate the populace according to religious divides.

That's us responding to an attack on a unified society.

O.

[Shaker]

If you're linking promiscuity to harm, why aren't you advocating against: a) men or b) promiscuity. Why make the issue about homosexuality when at least half of that populace, by your own reckoning, are less likely to come to harm than the norm.

Hmmmm ... I wondered why we hadn't seen these studies until the subject of homosexuality cropped up, too.

I guess we'll never know.

[Owlswing]

Jesus would turn over in his grave if he could see them.

I am amzed that you cannot feel the vibrations through your feet, they are rattling the windows of my room! Jesus' nickname is not Gyro for nothing, you know!

[OH MY WORLD!]

Oh Leo, how could you? I apologize if my belief in knowing and following the rules and never signing something you don't agree with has put a wrinkle in you panties. Nothing good comes from teens having sex, ANY kind of sex. And I won't apologize for believing that Mr. Leo.

Matty, whatever, you are what you are. Too funny you!

[Owlswing]

Oh Leo, how could you? I apologize if my belief in knowing and following the rules and never signing something you don't agree with has put a wrinkle in you panties. Nothing good comes from teens having sex, ANY kind of sex. And I won't apologize for believing that Mr. Leo.

Matty, whatever, you are what you are. Too funny you!

Quote from the post to which you are responding:

I look forward in eager anticipation to your super-intelligent (not!) retort. 

I got it didn't I?

You still have not addressed the point of the article that gays are bveing ejected from THEIR FAMILIES!

What Contract did they sign, and when, that they were to be required to grow up heterosexual in order to remain in the family into which they were born?

Loving Christian families - yeah!

[Leonard James]

http://www.its.caltech.edu/~atomic/snowcrystals/alike/alike.htm. Nothing good comes from teens having sex, ANY kind of sex.

Thank goodness antique ideas like that are being shown as foolish.

Several members of my family were conceived by teen parents, as are millions of others. My eldest brother was one of them, and believe me he was a saint compared to your "good" self.

Get down off your high horse and look in a mirror ... you will see a perfect example of a bigoted fool.

[Outrider]

Oh Leo, how could you? I apologize if my belief in knowing and following the rules and never signing something you don't agree with has put a wrinkle in you panties.

Except that you don't have any justification for your rather arbitrary 'rules'.

Nothing good comes from teens having sex, ANY kind of sex.

I shall let my children know that their mother's age at conception means they are "nothing good", as determined by the all-knowing's early spokesman... I'll check cupboards first, but I'm pretty sure we'll not have any shits for them to give.

And I won't apologize for believing that Mr. Leo.

Colour me surprised...

O.

[Gordon]

It seems increasingly apparent from this thread, and many others, that issues surrounding sexuality in general (and homosexuality in particular) will be the death-knell of some elements within Christianity in the UK at least as society moves on and further away from the declining influence of organised theism.

The problem they have is that trying to maintain the nonsense that the best guide to social and/or sexual morals in current times is a book about an element of middle-eastern culture in antiquity, which is about as sensible as asking NASA to plan their first manned mission to Mars based on the 1953 edition of the 'Boys Book of Space' and a big box of Meccano.   

[Anchorman]

Oh Leo, how could you? I apologize if my belief in knowing and following the rules and never signing something you don't agree with has put a wrinkle in you panties. Nothing good comes from teens having sex, ANY kind of sex. And I won't apologize for believing that Mr. Leo.

Matty, whatever, you are what you are. Too funny you!

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Hmmmmm;
Nothing good?
You mean the LORD jesus wasn't good?
Necause ,ost scholars - evangelical scho;lars at that - reckon Mary was a young teenager at best when her firstborn - Jesus - was born.
The rest of Jesus' siblings - by Joseph, would have followed soon afterward...if Mary and Joseph were normal human beings living in Judea at the time we know they were.

[Outrider]

Hmmmmm;
Nothing good?
You mean the LORD jesus wasn't good?
Necause ,ost scholars - evangelical scho;lars at that - reckon Mary was a young teenager at best when her firstborn - Jesus - was born.
The rest of Jesus' siblings - by Joseph, would have followed soon afterward...if Mary and Joseph were normal human beings living in Judea at the time we know they were.

To be fair, I don't think any sex was allegedly involved in this gods incarnation of himself in the avatar Jesus, was it? The later siblings, yes...

O.

[Nearly Sane]

Sort of witless of our Canadian friend's god to go down the route of creating the libido, or was that the talking snake's doing, and designing humans to be able to reproduce as teens then.

So many on here create little, petty stupid gods, all agog about who does what marvellously lubricious and stunningly enjoyable stroke/lick/pike to whom.