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Re: The Shepherd's Crown: Swansong for Discworld.
« Reply #25 on: August 28, 2015, 02:59:10 PM »
Dependent on one's view, I might also put up the Rivers of London series from Ben Aaronovitch as certainly influenced by Pratchett (and Rankin)

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Re: The Shepherd's Crown: Swansong for Discworld.
« Reply #26 on: September 01, 2015, 04:42:54 PM »
I am not a fan of TP but my son (aged 41) is. He has all the books.

Obviously a few fans here.

Have you heard the musical CD of Wintersmith by Steeleye Span? Officially sanctioned by Terry Pratchett himself who "speaks" on several tracks. they are his favourite band apparently. It seems to me that the music catches the spirit of Discworld.

Here is a link to The wee Free men track.

https://youtu.be/ybsZpSn1grg
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Re: The Shepherd's Crown: Swansong for Discworld.
« Reply #27 on: September 06, 2015, 07:25:20 PM »
I am not a fan of TP but my son (aged 41) is. He has all the books.

Obviously a few fans here.

Have you heard the musical CD of Wintersmith by Steeleye Span? Officially sanctioned by Terry Pratchett himself who "speaks" on several tracks. they are his favourite band apparently. It seems to me that the music catches the spirit of Discworld.

Here is a link to The wee Free men track.

https://youtu.be/ybsZpSn1grg



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Yep. Got the album (along with most of Steeleye Span's stuff)
Apparently they're in the process of creating an album based on "Lords and Ladies".
(Gonners - have you read 'Shepherd's Crown" yet? How's the Kleenex supply?
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Re: The Shepherd's Crown: Swansong for Discworld.
« Reply #28 on: September 06, 2015, 08:54:28 PM »
Dear Jim,

It is lying unread, I am in the process of moving, my treat when I settle in.

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« Reply #29 on: September 06, 2015, 10:15:25 PM »
Dear Jim,

It is lying unread, I am in the process of moving, my treat when I settle in.

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I won't spoil it for you, then.
However....have a dram (or two) ready.
Just saying.
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« Reply #30 on: September 10, 2015, 11:25:37 PM »
Dear Jim,

Man!! No I won't spoil it for anyone who has yet to read it, but CRIVENS!!.

In one of his books he described himself as a cheerful atheist, his hero in his last book had a Granny, Granny Aching, her biggest compliment was, that will do.

Dear Sir Terry,

That will do.

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« Reply #31 on: September 11, 2015, 06:07:25 AM »
On the IS forum, there was a 'spoiler' so I did read it! I shall, therefore, be prepared for what happens - when I eventually get to hear it.

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Re: The Shepherd's Crown: Swansong for Discworld.
« Reply #32 on: September 11, 2015, 07:51:06 AM »
On the IS forum, there was a 'spoiler' so I did read it! I shall, therefore, be prepared for what happens - when I eventually get to hear it.




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« Reply #33 on: September 14, 2015, 06:26:22 AM »
I decided to re-read Thud, so got the CD. It was the sort of prequel to Raising steam, wasn't it, but as far as I could heare, there is no actual definition of what the 'grags' are. Anybody know?
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« Reply #34 on: September 14, 2015, 08:06:24 AM »
I decided to re-read Thud, so got the CD. It was the sort of prequel to Raising steam, wasn't it, but as far as I could heare, there is no actual definition of what the 'grags' are. Anybody know?


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'Scuse me, non Discworlders, but the following post reveals my geekishness.
I need some scumble.

As far as I can ascertain, grags are 'knockermen' - deep-down dwarfs who check tunnels for the various darks and damps.
They seem to be interpreters and guardians of dwarfish law and lore - like Bashfulsson.


I think I have problems.
Anyone have Rat 'n Soss?
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"for, as long as but a hundred of us remain alive, never will we on any conditions be brought under English rule. It is in truth not for glory, nor riches, nor honours that we are fighting, but for freedom - for that alone, which no honest man gives up but with life itself."

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« Reply #35 on: September 14, 2015, 09:48:48 AM »
Dear Susan,

Grags, fundamentalists, Dwarf law ( lore ) is not up for interpretation ( unless it's them doing the interpretation ) and Jim is right, they are descendants of Knockermen, the guys who went into the mines to seek out gas pockets.

It was a great honour for the family if your son chose to become a Knockerman, but with the discovery that certain birds could detect gas and the invention of the lamp which turned a different colour in the presence of gas, knockermen, grags, deep downers through time became someone who you turned to in all matters regarding Dwarf law.

And yes Bashful Basfullson is a grag but one who thinks being a Dwarf is a state of mind, no need to walk around wearing leather that covers all your body or to live in the deepest cave/mine, and of course female Dwarfs can wear makeup if they choose to do so.

An analogy, our very own TW is a Christian Grag.

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« Reply #36 on: September 14, 2015, 11:39:04 AM »


An analogy, our very own TW is a Christian Grag.

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As are Sassy, Hope and 2Corrie, among others of varying degree.
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« Reply #37 on: September 15, 2015, 06:36:36 AM »
Many thanks for the answers. :) It's important to know these things, isn't it?!!

I'm listening to 'Going Postal' now. So far - nothing unremembered, but I'm sure there will be bits that I've forgotten.
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« Reply #38 on: September 15, 2015, 08:54:41 AM »
Many thanks for the answers. :) It's important to know these things, isn't it?!!

I'm listening to 'Going Postal' now. So far - nothing unremembered, but I'm sure there will be bits that I've forgotten.

Re: Going Postal
You will do fine as long as you restrict your memories to the book and not the TV film!
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« Reply #39 on: September 15, 2015, 09:08:47 AM »
Many thanks for the answers. :) It's important to know these things, isn't it?!!

I'm listening to 'Going Postal' now. So far - nothing unremembered, but I'm sure there will be bits that I've forgotten.


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Going Postal is superb, Susan - and so is its' 'sequal', Making Money!
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« Reply #40 on: September 15, 2015, 09:16:24 AM »
Many thanks for the answers. :) It's important to know these things, isn't it?!!

I'm listening to 'Going Postal' now. So far - nothing unremembered, but I'm sure there will be bits that I've forgotten.


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Going Postal is superb, Susan - and so is its' 'sequal', Making Money!

True!

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« Reply #41 on: September 15, 2015, 01:30:27 PM »
Dear Susan,

Had this discussion with my eldest brother regarding rereading literature, he wondered at the point of it ( he is not a Pratchett fan ).

My argument, Pratchett is what I call a page turner, you want to know what happens next, when I read Pratchett I can't put it down, so I think I sometimes miss the deeper meaning or the subtle joke.

Also as I have found in life, something new may happen and when you reread you bring that something new to the book, you relate more to the story.

Of course my arguments feel on stony ground, he is an atheist ( a very cheerful atheist, like Pratchett ) strange thing is I have never caught him eating deep fried baby, well not yet!!

Anyway, any thoughts on why we reread favourite books, is it a sort of escapism.

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Re: The Shepherd's Crown: Swansong for Discworld.
« Reply #42 on: September 19, 2015, 11:57:59 AM »
Dear Susan,

Had this discussion with my eldest brother regarding rereading literature, he wondered at the point of it ( he is not a Pratchett fan ).

My argument, Pratchett is what I call a page turner, you want to know what happens next, when I read Pratchett I can't put it down, so I think I sometimes miss the deeper meaning or the subtle joke.

Also as I have found in life, something new may happen and when you reread you bring that something new to the book, you relate more to the story.

Of course my arguments feel on stony ground, he is an atheist ( a very cheerful atheist, like Pratchett ) strange thing is I have never caught him eating deep fried baby, well not yet!!

Anyway, any thoughts on why we reread favourite books, is it a sort of escapism.

Gonnagle.

Why do we re-read books?

I don't know about anyone else but I find that, and this may be a blatant statement of the obvious, I find that I have two reasons why I will re-read a book:

1 - because it is a book that I have read to obtain information and, on reading another book, I have gone back to check up on, or add to, what I took from it the first time;

or

2 - (and this especially applies to books by Sir Terry) I enjoyed them the first time and want to repeat the experience. It also, quite often, leads to me seeing things that I may have missed the first time or things that I see in a different light upon second, third or fourth, reading.

I have also just finished reading The Shepherd's Crown.

Interesting and absorbing.

The notes at the back on how Sir Terry wrote, disjointed scenes that would be expanded, modified, left for different book, that were then woven together into a finished article suggest to me that he was planning to enlarge upon the revelations, the new perspective, about Mrs Earwig, among others.

There were other very minor tidbits that I am sure would have been raised to major tidbits in future stories had Sir Terry survived to write them.

I am sorry that the notes at the end of the book also seem to scotch the idea, mooted when he really started to feel the effects of his Alzheimers, that his daughter would be carrying on the Discworld stories. I can, however, understand that she might have realised, in sorting out Shepherd's Crown for publication, that this was not a viable proposition in terms of maintaining the standard, Sir Terry did, after all have an almost unique world-view which made the Discworldstories what they were.

Tiffany, Nanny Ogg, Granny Weatherwax, C M O T Dibbler, Rincewind, Arch-Chancellors Weatherwax and Ridcully, Stibbons, Hex, Death, Susan Death, Moist von Lipwi and Adora Belle Lipwig (ne้ Dearheart) and so many, many others - you will be sorely missed and, along with Sir Terry, our world is a far poorer place for your passing and thus the loss of all those stories that will now never grace my bookshelves!       
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Re: The Shepherd's Crown: Swansong for Discworld.
« Reply #43 on: September 19, 2015, 01:26:06 PM »
This is a bit selfish of me I know, but at least I know that no-one will be reading a new Disc World book after I die so I shall not be missing anything.
I'm listening (again) to 'Making Money' now.
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« Reply #44 on: September 19, 2015, 02:22:30 PM »
This is a bit selfish of me I know, but at least I know that no-one will be reading a new Disc World book after I die so I shall not be missing anything.
I'm listening (again) to 'Making Money' now.

Who is reading it?

Nigel Planer?
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« Reply #45 on: September 19, 2015, 03:04:29 PM »
To persecuted Matty,
What is a grag, and why exactly do you believe 2Corrie is a Christian grag. Are you a witch grag or just a regular angry witch? Why do you get to go around insulting people and yet snivel when others, like myself, insult you?

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« Reply #46 on: September 19, 2015, 03:06:53 PM »
Unfortunately, no. It is one of the NLB's volunteer readers I think. I'll check later. 'Going Postal' was read by Stephen Briggs - I think that's right.


Well, I have read your post, JC, but that is because it was there; normally, I scroll past them.
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« Reply #47 on: September 19, 2015, 03:33:43 PM »
Unfortunately, no. It is one of the NLB's volunteer readers I think. I'll check later. 'Going Postal' was read by Stephen Briggs - I think that's right.


Well, I have read your post, JC, but that is because it was there; normally, I scroll past them.

Yes, quite possibly, he does quite afew. He was one of Sir Terry's collaborators and he wrote the Discworld Companion with Sir Terry and also designed the Discworld Mapp anong other things.

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« Reply #48 on: September 19, 2015, 05:01:03 PM »
To persecuted Matty,
What is a grag, and why exactly do you believe 2Corrie is a Christian grag. Are you a witch grag or just a regular angry witch? Why do you get to go around insulting people and yet snivel when others, like myself, insult you?




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« Reply #49 on: September 19, 2015, 07:20:32 PM »
To persecuted Matty,
What is a grag, and why exactly do you believe 2Corrie is a Christian grag. Are you a witch grag or just a regular angry witch? Why do you get to go around insulting people and yet snivel when others, like myself, insult you?




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It's time a certain poster was introduced to Omnianism (without Om.....)

Are you sure you don't mean Onanism?
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