Oh, when the saints

[Owlswing]

Well just to educate Matty and other's over in Europe. My ancestors, pagan Crees, lived in fear and hate. We became the largest peoples in N America. How did we achieve this and how come today you find Cree first nations spanning thousands of miles? By war and hunting down and slaughtering those in our way. Matty and many of you Europeans like to crucify Christianity for what you Europeans did over here. Shut up! It's over, have a cookie. If it wasn't for the protestant and catholic missionaries and the Mounted police arriving on the prairie here, we would still be third world, chasing down the Blackfoot confederacy, the Crow and Sioux, taking their scalps, stealing their horses and taking the women. Pagan Europe is a history of bloodshed, hate and fear as well.

Same broken record yet again!

YAWN! BORING!

[Outrider]

yes...I understand both civilisations practiced human sacrifice.........Bloody catholics.

Says the man whose entire religion is founded on a purported human sacrifice... The irony, it burns!!!!

O.

[Owlswing]

yes...I understand both civilisations practiced human sacrifice.........Bloody catholics.

Says the man whose entire religion is founded on a purported human sacrifice... The irony, it burns!!!!

O.

As did the so-called "witches" during the 14th to 17th centuries!

Except in England where they were hanged or drowned - England being Protestant and burning being the Catholic punishment for heresy - the "witch's" pact with the devil.

[Outrider]

Well just to educate Matty and other's over in Europe. My ancestors, pagan Crees, lived in fear and hate. We became the largest peoples in N America. How did we achieve this and how come today you find Cree first nations spanning thousands of miles? By war and hunting down and slaughtering those in our way. Matty and many of you Europeans like to crucify Christianity for what you Europeans did over here. Shut up! It's over, have a cookie.

So genocide's only a problem if you're unsuccessful?

If it wasn't for the protestant and catholic missionaries and the Mounted police arriving on the prairie here, we would still be third world, chasing down the Blackfoot confederacy, the Crow and Sioux, taking their scalps, stealing their horses and taking the women. Pagan Europe is a history of bloodshed, hate and fear as well.

Well, if it weren't for the advent of technology and industrialisation - the fact that those emerged from nations in the early stages of shedding their religious shackles means that your claim is, at the very least, questionable.

O.

[Owlswing]

Outrider

. . . [ JC] your claim is, at the very least, questionable.

As is his claim to being a Cree - he is, at best only half-Cree as, by his own admission, his father was French.

Hang on! Hang on! The French are European! The light begins to dawn - he hates Europeans because one of them robbed him of a claim to the full Cree nationality he so fervently promotes.

Or was that his adoptive father that was French? I can't remember what nationalities his birth parents were; he hasn't berated me with his full genealogy for some time, probably because he has been so busy questioning mine!

[OH MY WORLD!]

There is no sign that the first nations, my Metis, nor the Inuit are shedding religion because of technology. The exact opposite is the truth. If an aboriginal is not a Catholic or Protestant then they have gone back to paganism not to atheism.  To find an aboriginal atheist Canadian is a rare find.

Matty just google Metis and get an education. Too funny you.

Having a Jewish grannie doesn't make you 100% as you claimed. Only in Hitler's eyes.

[Owlswing]

There is no sign that the first nations, my Metis, nor the Inuit are shedding religion because of technology. The exact opposite is the truth. If an aboriginal is not a Catholic or Protestant then they have gone back to paganism not to atheism.  To find an aboriginal atheist Canadian is a rare find.

Matty just google Metis and get an education. Too funny you.

Having a Jewish grannie doesn't make you 100% as you claimed. Only in Hitler's eyes.

YES IT DOES - you obviously know less about Judaism that you do about Paganism.

Jewish is passed through the maternal line - my mother was Jewish because her mother was, I am Jewish because my mother was. My children are not because their mother is not.

Nothing that you, Christian, can say can change that, no matter how many times you say it. Why my being born a Jew irks you so much I cannot imagine - well I can but I cannot post it!

[OH MY WORLD!]

Does not irk me in the least. But DNA says you are not 100% and that is fact. As far as spiritually, this is the soul of jewishness and is passed through the mother. Again you fail because you reject that and are a witch.

[Owlswing]

Does not irk me in the least. But DNA says you are not 100% and that is fact. As far as spiritually, this is the soul of jewishness and is passed through the mother. Again you fail because you reject that and are a witch.

And you have a sample of my DNA from where?

Give it up - your ignorance is absolutely appaling even for someone from the Americas!

I did NOT reject my Jewishness - my father was goyim and brought me up as a Christian - I did not get the chance to accept my jewishness, - this is probably why my grandmotther hated my father so much - and it was his religion that I rejected, as I reject your version of the same religion.

אולי חורי אוזנך לפנות לחורי תחת וחרא כל על הכתפיים שלך

[OH MY WORLD!]

Whatever Matty. Too funny you!

[Outrider]

Does not irk me in the least. But DNA says you are not 100% and that is fact. As far as spiritually, this is the soul of jewishness and is passed through the mother. Again you fail because you reject that and are a witch.

DNA just tells us we're human. All the rest, all the cultural and ethnic and geographic is just social stuff that we glaze over the surface with.

O.

[Outrider]

There is no sign that the first nations, my Metis, nor the Inuit are shedding religion because of technology. The exact opposite is the truth. If an aboriginal is not a Catholic or Protestant then they have gone back to paganism not to atheism.  To find an aboriginal atheist Canadian is a rare find.

But there's plenty of evidence that increased lifespan and education associate with technological development and use in a culture, and with a decrease in religiosity. There's no absolute demonstration which way is causitive - it may be that as people ditch religion they turn to education instead, I suppose.

O.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Are you denying that the mission was primarily for the purpose of expanding the territory and wealth of Spain?

The colonial exploits were not after all the crusades.

. . . and had the secondary purpose of spreading the influence of Catholic Christianity, thus attracting the approval of the Pope to the enterprise.

Let's face it, at that time in history, practically nothing happened anywhere without the approval of the Pope and the Catholic (Christian) Church.

The reformation bucked that trend.

Oh yeah! Bloody shame that the Aztecs and the Mayans weren't around to see it happen.

yes...I understand both civilisations practiced human sacrifice.........Bloody catholics.

This does not give the bloody Christians the right to wipe them out!

Let'ds face it, the Christians had been sacrificing humans, so-called "witches", for 100 years before they started on South America.

Pot - Kettle - Black - - - Mote - Beam - Eye.
[/quote]
And you are saying I support murder?

[Owlswing]

Let's face it, the Christians had been sacrificing humans, so-called "witches", for 100 years before they started on South America.

Pot - Kettle - Black - - - Mote - Beam - Eye.

And you are saying I support murder?

No, I am saying that the religion that you follow has no right to put down any other religion or civilsation on the grounds that it carried out human sacrifice, when it was spectacularly guilty of the same crime itself.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Let's face it, the Christians had been sacrificing humans, so-called "witches", for 100 years before they started on South America.

Pot - Kettle - Black - - - Mote - Beam - Eye.

And you are saying I support murder?

No, I am saying that the religion that you follow has no right to put down any other religion or civilsation on the grounds that it carried out human sacrifice, when it was spectacularly guilty of the same crime itself.

You have a mere characature of ''my religion''.
A religion which insists on human sacrifice or burning witches is not the Christian religion of the New Testament...........

I suppose you have carte blanche to do all the criticising...........

[Owlswing]

Let's face it, the Christians had been sacrificing humans, so-called "witches", for 100 years before they started on South America.

Pot - Kettle - Black - - - Mote - Beam - Eye.

And you are saying I support murder?

No, I am saying that the religion that you follow has no right to put down any other religion or civilsation on the grounds that it carried out human sacrifice, when it was spectacularly guilty of the same crime itself.

You have a mere characature of ''my religion''.
A religion which insists on human sacrifice or burning witches is not the Christian religion of the New Testament...........

I suppose you have carte blanche to do all the criticising...........

I don't know about a characature - did the 14th-17th century Catholic Church use the old or the new testament to formulate its witch-hunts for heresy. I know that the original, early, 13th century Inquisition, was set up to destroy the Cathar and Waldensian heresies (The Inquisition - The Hammer of Heresy: Edward Burman; Sutton Press (c) 1984 and 2004 ISBN 0 7509 3722 X) and when that job was 'completed' moved on to chasing witches and I presumed that they would be working from the Old Testament Exodus 22:18 as a starting point and adding whatever from the New Testament that was necessary to allow them to do so.

[Gordon]

A religion which insists on human sacrifice or burning witches is not the Christian religion of the New Testament...........

Thomas Cranmer might disagree, as regards the burning aspect.   

[Owlswing]

I suppose you have carte blanche to do all the criticising...........

. . .  and this means what, precisely?

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Let's face it, the Christians had been sacrificing humans, so-called "witches", for 100 years before they started on South America.

Pot - Kettle - Black - - - Mote - Beam - Eye.

And you are saying I support murder?

No, I am saying that the religion that you follow has no right to put down any other religion or civilsation on the grounds that it carried out human sacrifice, when it was spectacularly guilty of the same crime itself.

You have a mere characature of ''my religion''.
A religion which insists on human sacrifice or burning witches is not the Christian religion of the New Testament...........

I suppose you have carte blanche to do all the criticising...........

I don't know about a characature - did the 14th-17th century Catholic Church use the old or the new testament to formulate its witch-hunts for heresy. I know that the original, early, 13th century Inquisition, was set up to destroy the Cathar and Waldensian heresies (The Inquisition - The Hammer of Heresy: Edward Burman; Sutton Press (c) 1984 and 2004 ISBN 0 7509 3722 X) and when that job was 'completed' moved on to chasing witches and I presumed that they would be working from the Old Testament Exodus 22:18 as a starting point and adding whatever from the New Testament that was necessary to allow them to do so.

And what does this have to do with the Gospel? Is the Inquisition mentioned therein? No.

A complete host of Christian lives have been led without membership of an inquisition.

[Shaker]

A religion which insists on human sacrifice or burning witches is not the Christian religion of the New Testament...........

Thomas Cranmer might disagree, as regards the burning aspect.

Messrs. Latimer and Ridley might want to have some input as well.

[Owlswing]

Let's face it, the Christians had been sacrificing humans, so-called "witches", for 100 years before they started on South America.

Pot - Kettle - Black - - - Mote - Beam - Eye.

And you are saying I support murder?

No, I am saying that the religion that you follow has no right to put down any other religion or civilsation on the grounds that it carried out human sacrifice, when it was spectacularly guilty of the same crime itself.

You have a mere characature of ''my religion''.
A religion which insists on human sacrifice or burning witches is not the Christian religion of the New Testament...........

I suppose you have carte blanche to do all the criticising...........

I don't know about a characature - did the 14th-17th century Catholic Church use the old or the new testament to formulate its witch-hunts for heresy. I know that the original, early, 13th century Inquisition, was set up to destroy the Cathar and Waldensian heresies (The Inquisition - The Hammer of Heresy: Edward Burman; Sutton Press (c) 1984 and 2004 ISBN 0 7509 3722 X) and when that job was 'completed' moved on to chasing witches and I presumed that they would be working from the Old Testament Exodus 22:18 as a starting point and adding whatever from the New Testament that was necessary to allow them to do so.

And what does this have to do with the Gospel? Is the Inquisition mentioned therein? No.

A complete host of Christian lives have been led without membership of an inquisition.

Irrelevant

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Let's face it, the Christians had been sacrificing humans, so-called "witches", for 100 years before they started on South America.

Pot - Kettle - Black - - - Mote - Beam - Eye.

And you are saying I support murder?

No, I am saying that the religion that you follow has no right to put down any other religion or civilsation on the grounds that it carried out human sacrifice, when it was spectacularly guilty of the same crime itself.

You have a mere characature of ''my religion''.
A religion which insists on human sacrifice or burning witches is not the Christian religion of the New Testament...........

I suppose you have carte blanche to do all the criticising...........

I don't know about a characature - did the 14th-17th century Catholic Church use the old or the new testament to formulate its witch-hunts for heresy. I know that the original, early, 13th century Inquisition, was set up to destroy the Cathar and Waldensian heresies (The Inquisition - The Hammer of Heresy: Edward Burman; Sutton Press (c) 1984 and 2004 ISBN 0 7509 3722 X) and when that job was 'completed' moved on to chasing witches and I presumed that they would be working from the Old Testament Exodus 22:18 as a starting point and adding whatever from the New Testament that was necessary to allow them to do so.

And what does this have to do with the Gospel? Is the Inquisition mentioned therein? No.

A complete host of Christian lives have been led without membership of an inquisition.

Irrelevant

I don't see why. There is no reason to abandon the Christianity of the New Testament just on the say so of a militant pagan.

[Owlswing]

A complete host of Christian lives have been led without membership of an inquisition.

[ quote] Irrelevant [/quote]

I don't see why. There is no reason to abandon the Christianity of the New Testament just on the say so of a militant pagan.

It is irrelevant because the subject under comment was Chrstianity of the 13th century not the 21st.

[Gordon]

A religion which insists on human sacrifice or burning witches is not the Christian religion of the New Testament...........

Thomas Cranmer might disagree, as regards the burning aspect.

Messrs. Latimer and Ridley might want to have some input as well.

Indeed, they would undoubtedly enlighten matters.

[Outrider]

And what does this have to do with the Gospel? Is the Inquisition mentioned therein? No.

A complete host of Christian lives have been led without membership of an inquisition.

Just out of interest, were any of them Scots?

O.