Flesh nature verses the Spiritual nature of man.

[Sassy]

It is amazing how much faith it takes to believe how much effort.  But the truth is that as humans in flesh we are weak. It is our spiritual nature/side which knows God.
I personally do not have it in me to allow my flesh to gain control over my spiritual knowledge when it comes to God.

It is a vice versa situation, and science and faith can be seen in the flesh and the spiritual.

Science requires faith when it comes to heavens, the earth and creation.
Faith in God requires a spiritual nature of man to be alive and seeking truth that the flesh cannot provide.

Christ appeared to have the fullest control over both his flesh and spiritual giving way to his spiritual over his flesh. When driving home the other night the moon and stars were shining in the heavens. There was a little cloud form which hugged the moon appearing as if angel wings and the moon the head and halo.

The flesh side errs on the edge of reasoning grasping anything they believe to be material to sustain whatever belief they choose by faith about the earth and all that is creation. But faith from the Spiritual relies not on what it can feel and is material. But the things born of the spiritual which manifest in the human flesh and become material. Christ would be a perfect example of faith in man which goes beyond human understanding and the limitations of flesh.

Two things are sure for every person. You are born and you will die... but what then?

It is my own belief that above all these things God is true and exists outside space and time. That whatever we make of our surroundings and whatever we believe we one day face our maker and we give an account.

It is the things I see which teach me to trust God about the things I do not see.
It is a reality that each must be true to their own self. For me God is a reality which exists in all I do. I believe the spiritual nature when ruling and alive in a person lessens the flesh nature of man. Sometimes all we can do is love others and do the best we can by them. We have to trust God for the rest.

[jakswan]

Sometimes all we can do is love others and do the best we can by them.

I knew I'd find a sentence you wrote I'd agree with one day.

[floo]

We have to trust God for the rest.

If that were the case we would be really stuffed!

[ippy]

It is amazing how much faith it takes to believe how much effort.  But the truth is that as humans in flesh we are weak. It is our spiritual nature/side which knows God.
I personally do not have it in me to allow my flesh to gain control over my spiritual knowledge when it comes to God.

It is a vice versa situation, and science and faith can be seen in the flesh and the spiritual.

Science requires faith when it comes to heavens, the earth and creation.
Faith in God requires a spiritual nature of man to be alive and seeking truth that the flesh cannot provide.

Christ appeared to have the fullest control over both his flesh and spiritual giving way to his spiritual over his flesh. When driving home the other night the moon and stars were shining in the heavens. There was a little cloud form which hugged the moon appearing as if angel wings and the moon the head and halo.

The flesh side errs on the edge of reasoning grasping anything they believe to be material to sustain whatever belief they choose by faith about the earth and all that is creation. But faith from the Spiritual relies not on what it can feel and is material. But the things born of the spiritual which manifest in the human flesh and become material. Christ would be a perfect example of faith in man which goes beyond human understanding and the limitations of flesh.

Two things are sure for every person. You are born and you will die... but what then?

It is my own belief that above all these things God is true and exists outside space and time. That whatever we make of our surroundings and whatever we believe we one day face our maker and we give an account.

It is the things I see which teach me to trust God about the things I do not see.
It is a reality that each must be true to their own self. For me God is a reality which exists in all I do. I believe the spiritual nature when ruling and alive in a person lessens the flesh nature of man. Sometimes all we can do is love others and do the best we can by them. We have to trust God for the rest.

Sass it's all in your imagination.

ippy

[Leonard James]

Sometimes all we can do is love others and do the best we can by them.

I knew I'd find a sentence you wrote I'd agree with one day.

Omitting the first word of the sentence, I agree.

[Outrider]

Science requires faith when it comes to heavens, the earth and creation.

Not 'faith' in the same sense as religious faith, no.

Faith in God requires a spiritual nature of man to be alive and seeking truth that the flesh cannot provide.

What does 'spiritual' even mean?

Two things are sure for every person. You are born and you will die... but what then?

Why think there's anything after that? I don't presume there was anything of me before it.

It is a reality that each must be true to their own self.

That's a great sentiment - at the heart of secularism.

O.

[Alien]

...

It is a reality that each must be true to their own self.

That's a great sentiment - at the heart of secularism.

O.

What if one is a psychopath or a paedophile?

[Outrider]

...

It is a reality that each must be true to their own self.

That's a great sentiment - at the heart of secularism.

O.

What if one is a psychopath or a paedophile?

As with any great sentiment, there are always times when other concerns cut across it, that doesn't change it being a great sentiment. Reality is complex, and no single pithy homily is going to stand people in good stead for every possible outcome.

O.

[Alien]

...

It is a reality that each must be true to their own self.

That's a great sentiment - at the heart of secularism.

O.

What if one is a psychopath or a paedophile?

As with any great sentiment, there are always times when other concerns cut across it, that doesn't change it being a great sentiment. Reality is complex, and no single pithy homily is going to stand people in good stead for every possible outcome.

O.

What about sociopaths and strident capitalists? What about Al Qaeda and IS? What about Westboro baptists being "true to their own self"? What about the drunkard round the corner who beats his wife?

And so on.

[Outrider]

...

It is a reality that each must be true to their own self.

That's a great sentiment - at the heart of secularism.

O.

What if one is a psychopath or a paedophile?

As with any great sentiment, there are always times when other concerns cut across it, that doesn't change it being a great sentiment. Reality is complex, and no single pithy homily is going to stand people in good stead for every possible outcome.

O.

What about sociopaths and strident capitalists? What about Al Qaeda and IS? What about Westboro baptists being "true to their own self"? What about the drunkard round the corner who beats his wife?

And so on.

And you, presumably, have a problem with all of those - I'd probably agree with you on most of them (rather depends on what you mean by 'strident capitalist'). Does that make either of us intrinsically right? You have to accept who you are, first, even if you're doing so in order to change it.

O.