Author Topic: Pre-Tribbers help needed (Read 15056 times)

~TW~ · « **on:** September 02, 2015, 05:43:27 PM »

Are there any pre-tribbers out there that can help with this.

Does the thousand years kick in after the last day,or before the last day.

Appreciate help on this.

~TW~

2Corrie · « **Reply #1 on:** September 02, 2015, 07:09:12 PM »

I think you are confusing pre-tribulation with pre-millennial

~TW~ · « **Reply #2 on:** September 02, 2015, 08:54:36 PM »

You may be correct please explain more
TW

~TW~ · « **Reply #3 on:** September 02, 2015, 11:19:42 PM »

there is no catch in this inquiry, so if it is pre mill would this be before the last day or after.

~TW~

~TW~ · « **Reply #4 on:** September 25, 2015, 11:18:38 AM »

How refreshing to know we have no pre-tribbers on here.

~TW~

Hope · « **Reply #5 on:** September 25, 2015, 04:08:38 PM »

Quote from: ~TW~ on September 25, 2015, 11:18:38 AM

How refreshing to know we have no pre-tribbers on here.

~TW~

The problem with this suggestion is that none of your posts have actually made any sense, TW. For instance, what do you mean by 'the last day'?

ad_orientem · « **Reply #6 on:** September 25, 2015, 04:20:22 PM »

Quote from: Hope on September 25, 2015, 04:08:38 PM

Quote from: ~TW~ on September 25, 2015, 11:18:38 AM
How refreshing to know we have no pre-tribbers on here.

~TW~
The problem with this suggestion is that none of your posts have actually made any sense, TW. For instance, what do you mean by 'the last day'?

The last day as in, when our Lord returns to raise the dead and judge the living and the dead. The Parousia.

Hope · « **Reply #7 on:** September 25, 2015, 05:54:21 PM »

Quote from: ad_orientem on September 25, 2015, 04:20:22 PM

The last day as in, when our Lord returns to raise the dead and judge the living and the dead. The Parousia.

ad_o, I was hoping that TW would respond with his understanding might differ to yours or mine, and Floo's thread on the rapture highlights the problem that lack of clarity can cause.

~TW~ · « **Reply #8 on:** September 25, 2015, 11:03:02 PM »

Quote from: Hope on September 25, 2015, 04:08:38 PM

Quote from: ~TW~ on September 25, 2015, 11:18:38 AM
How refreshing to know we have no pre-tribbers on here.

~TW~
The problem with this suggestion is that none of your posts have actually made any sense, TW. For instance, what do you mean by 'the last day'?

What do I mean by the last day,well simply the day that the Lord ushers in the New heaven and Earth.

~TW~

~TW~ · « **Reply #9 on:** September 25, 2015, 11:04:33 PM »

Quote from: Hope on September 25, 2015, 05:54:21 PM

Quote from: ad_orientem on September 25, 2015, 04:20:22 PM
The last day as in, when our Lord returns to raise the dead and judge the living and the dead. The Parousia.
ad_o, I was hoping that TW would respond with his understanding might differ to yours or mine, and Floo's thread on the rapture highlights the problem that lack of clarity can cause.

My understanding is the same as A_O

~TW~

~TW~ · « **Reply #10 on:** September 25, 2015, 11:06:48 PM »

Hope you now have 3 post in a row from me and you have not explained your last day,do you have one?

~TW~

~TW~ · « **Reply #11 on:** October 05, 2015, 04:52:06 PM »

Having given Hope a lot of time to reply the word is, hopeless and this person seems to be a liberal troll.Not to worry so Hope the last day is the day when time runs out.I hope that helps.

~TW~

SweetPea · « **Reply #12 on:** October 05, 2015, 05:36:07 PM »

TW, if I can go off at a tangent for one post: did you see all the 'September' hype on Youtube about the false rapture? One youtuber, that I warn all to stay away from - Renee M, has written books on the false prophecy, in numerous languages. She's now changed the dates to tomorrow or Wednesday, and disabled all her comments.

Madness, and very sad.

~TW~ · « **Reply #13 on:** October 05, 2015, 11:23:15 PM »

Quote from: SweetPea on October 05, 2015, 05:36:07 PM

TW, if I can go off at a tangent for one post: did you see all the 'September' hype on Youtube about the false rapture? One youtuber, that I warn all to stay away from - Renee M, has written books on the false prophecy, in numerous languages. She's now changed the dates to tomorrow or Wednesday, and disabled all her comments.

Madness, and very sad.

Thank you Sweet Pea love to hear from you

These people do a lot of harm and they seem everywhere when you ask them questions they vanish.Keep well sweet pea.

~TW~ ps I did not see the you tube you mention.

Spud · « **Reply #14 on:** December 25, 2015, 03:07:56 PM »

I was wondering if anyone can verify something Justin Welby said today:

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Today, across the Middle East, close to the area in which the angels announced God’s apocalypse, ISIS and others claim that this is the time of an apocalypse, an unveiling created of their own terrible ideas, one which is igniting a trail of fear, violence, hatred and determined oppression. Confident that these are the last days, using force and indescribable cruelty, they seem to welcome all opposition, certain that the warfare unleashed confirms that these are indeed the end times. They hate difference, whether it is Muslims who think differently, Yazidis or Christians, and because of them the Christians face elimination in the very region in which Christian faith began. This apocalypse is defined by themselves and heralded only by the angel of death.

Do jihadists think they are living in 'the end times' ? I have not heard this before.

Hope · « **Reply #15 on:** December 25, 2015, 04:59:06 PM »

Quote from: ~TW~ on October 05, 2015, 04:52:06 PM

Having given Hope a lot of time to reply the word is, hopeless and this person seems to be a liberal troll.Not to worry so Hope the last day is the day when time runs out.I hope that helps.

~TW~

~TW~, today is the first time I've noticed this thread back on the current threads list, so I thought it had died. To be perfectly honest, I tend to treat the whole pre-/post-trib thing with a degree of scepticism, because I have seen too many people use the concept to come up with weird and wonderful end-times prophesies, instead of concentrating on being ready at any given time.

Hope · « **Reply #16 on:** December 25, 2015, 05:04:10 PM »

Quote from: Spud on December 25, 2015, 03:07:56 PM

I was wondering if anyone can verify something Justin Welby said today:

Do jihadists think they are living in 'the end times' ? I have not heard this before.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_eschatology
http://www.quran-islam.org/main_topics/end_of_the_world_%28P1350%29.html

Islam seems to teach the end times, so the ISIS jihadists may well believe that they are in this period. The problem in a way is that it is hard to know just what they do believe.

Spud · « **Reply #17 on:** December 26, 2015, 08:35:16 PM »

Thanks for the links, Hope. It seems Mr. Welby is right, they are waiting for their enemies to send an army to fight them, after which they expect the end of the world to occur. Here's a detailed article: http://tinyurl.com/pxwhe94

~TW~ · « **Reply #18 on:** January 06, 2016, 05:43:06 PM »

I looked in at this dead forum,noticed some one had posted here after months of silence.I have moved on from here as the Christians seem to be sleeping very heavy like.End times a big subject I think right now Gods judgement on this nation is what you should be looking at.The good news if you are a Christian,
all will be well with you in the end,for the others you will reap what you have sown.So sit back and watch the de-creation of this nation as it happens,police cut,fire service cut,NHS cut storms you could make umbrellas,cant afford street lights at night cut,doctors in short supply cut,morals rock bottom,church apostasy/falling away,human life very cheap,so enjoy it is going to get worse.

Have Fun

and a Happy New Year sit back and watch Gods Judgments Revelation Chapters 7/8/9

~TW~

Sassy · « **Reply #19 on:** January 20, 2016, 04:04:45 AM »

It isn't about understanding the times we are in. It is about being prepared being ready for Christ to return.

~TW~ · « **Reply #20 on:** January 20, 2016, 05:09:41 PM »

Quote from: Sassy on January 20, 2016, 04:04:45 AM

It isn't about understanding the times we are in. It is about being prepared being ready for Christ to return.

I agree but it would help if you knew who was returning.So you are far from ready.

~TW~

Sassy · « **Reply #21 on:** February 02, 2016, 10:55:57 AM »

Quote from: ~TW~ on January 20, 2016, 05:09:41 PM

I agree but it would help if you knew who was returning.So you are far from ready.

~TW~

Prove I don't know who Christ is....

Well you seem so sure of your accusal so prove it... EVIDENCE....

I have proved you mistakenly read into the bible what you want it to say and not what it tells you to do.
Now you prove I do not know God or Christ and I am not ready.
Truth is you cannot. Because you are already showing your disobey the book you read..

King James Bible
It is not in heaven, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go up for us to heaven, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it?

For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them.

6 But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above:)

7 Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.)

8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;

9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.

13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

Are you really going to keep adding your own rules and bits to it AND JUDGING who belongs to Christ and who doesn't. Time to still your tongue and speak the truth as it is written not as you want it to be.

Spud · « **Reply #22 on:** February 03, 2016, 08:48:28 AM »

Quote from: Sassy on February 02, 2016, 10:55:57 AM

9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God* hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

*The Father, who is said to have raised the Son from the dead: and this is not spoken to exclude the divinity of the Son, but to set forth the Father's plan, with regard to our redemption in the resurrection of the Son. (Geneva Study Bible)

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10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.

13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord* shall be saved.[/b]

Are you really going to keep adding your own rules and bits to it AND JUDGING who belongs to Christ and who doesn't. Time to still your tongue and speak the truth as it is written not as you want it to be.

*Whose name? Christ's. And in its original context whose name? Jehovah's (Joel 2:32)

Sassy · « **Reply #23 on:** February 12, 2016, 09:05:10 AM »

Quote from: Spud on February 03, 2016, 08:48:28 AM

*The Father, who is said to have raised the Son from the dead: and this is not spoken to exclude the divinity of the Son, but to set forth the Father's plan, with regard to our redemption in the resurrection of the Son. (Geneva Study Bible)
*Whose name? Christ's. And in its original context whose name? Jehovah's (Joel 2:32)

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Deuteronomy 18

15 The LORD thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken;
16 According to all that thou desiredst of the LORD thy God in Horeb in the day of the assembly, saying, Let me not hear again the voice of the LORD my God, neither let me see this great fire any more, that I die not.
17 And the LORD said unto me, They have well spoken that which they have spoken.
18 I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.
19 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.

[/b]

Moses was as God to the Egyptians because the words given him to speak were Gods. It did not make him God.
Jesus Christ was given Gods words which he spoke in Gods Name.

Spud you need to read what God said and what Christ said..." My words are Spirit and they are life"
"I have not come to do my will but the will of he who sent me" and "My father does his own work through me."

Jesus was sent by God and eternal life is knowing both.

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And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

Out of the mouth of Christ himself spoken by God.

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Luke 1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

Perfectly clear in OT and NT that Christ is the Son of God and is to be known as such.
It is the words of Christ which are to be obeyed and we see it is found in the OT to confirm.
Nothing in the word says anything different in the light of the original teachings and Christs own words.

Spud · « **Reply #24 on:** February 19, 2016, 12:28:59 PM »

Quote from: Sassy on February 12, 2016, 09:05:10 AM

Moses was as God to the Egyptians because the words given him to speak were Gods. It did not make him God.
Jesus Christ was given Gods words which he spoke in Gods Name.

Hi Sass,
But in the verses you quoted from Romans 10 Jesus is Jehovah, since it is Jehovah to whom Joel refers in the original passage. We do not find Moses being given that name.

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Author Topic: Pre-Tribbers help needed (Read 15056 times)