Religious and educated?

[Walt Zingmatilder]

No. What we

We?

Me and them wot thinks like me.

[Shaker]

The cohort of those who think like you could fill a phone box with room to spare one hopes, Vlad.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

The cohort of those who think like you could fill a phone box with room to spare one hopes, Vlad.

That's real genius for you.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Science has a lack a belief in Gods so Jeremy calls it atheist.

Science does not have beliefs.  It is a process.  What the hell are you talking about?  Science is atheistic in the sense that the assumption of the existence of God has no place in it.  People who do science have to temporarily set aside any theistic beliefs they have.

But only in the same sense as when they follow the instructions on a bottle of Brobat toilet cleaner.

In any case your claim that we have to temporarily set aside theistic beliefs is as sensible as saying that you have to temporarily set aside their love for their partners, family etc.

[jeremyp]

But only in the same sense as when they follow the instructions on a bottle of Brobat toilet cleaner.

Have you been drinking the toilet cleaner?  You seem to be raving.

In any case your claim that we have to temporarily set aside theistic beliefs is as sensible as saying that you have to temporarily set aside their love for their partners, family etc.

Nevertheless, history shows that a number of scientists who are also theists have done it quite successfully.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

But only in the same sense as when they follow the instructions on a bottle of Brobat toilet cleaner.

Have you been drinking the toilet cleaner?  You seem to be raving.

In any case your claim that we have to temporarily set aside theistic beliefs is as sensible as saying that you have to temporarily set aside their love for their partners, family etc.

Nevertheless, history shows that a number of scientists who are also theists have done it quite successfully.

Lol Bless you, you assume science versus religion with a view of science which confuses methodological naturalism with philosophical naturalism.

I suppose you believe there is a conflict between Brobat and Religion or love of relatives and science.

The idea that one finds one inner atheist when doing science is mystical shit Jezzer.

[jeremyp]

Lol Bless you, you assume science versus religion with a view of science which confuses methodological naturalism with philosophical naturalism.

Nope.  Do you know what the term methodological naturalism means?

The idea that one finds one inner atheist when doing science is mystical shit Jezzer.

If I had said that, you might be right, but I didn't. 

[ippy]

Well Woody aka Chopper aka ippy, you claim it is wrong, big deal. That's just an opinion and a small minority one at that. Now get busy and convince us.

Now now Woody, Hope keeps on trying this one; it's for the likes of yourself as a believer to prove, that this magical mystery man you like and you ref as something you call god, if he she or it does in  fact exist.

No doubt like the rest of your fellow travellers you can't come up with any convinsing evidence to that effect; as opposed to the default position of the people you refer to as atheists, so as it's unlikely that there is anything like your idea of gods in existance, you might just as well dump the whole idea, or concept and do something more usefull with your time.

ippy

[Shaker]

In any case your claim that we have to temporarily set aside theistic beliefs is as sensible as saying that you have to temporarily set aside their love for their partners, family etc.

A desperately misguided and mistaken comparison. Theism makes positive putative truth claims, opining about states of affairs which according to the theist are true. It also entails that wholly undefined entities can randomly and arbitrarily do inexplicable things by unknown means on a whim at any time, thus rendering the universe a chaotic, incoherent, random mess with absolutely no possibility of ever coming to understand how things work. That's why science is atheistic.

[Outrider]

No, what we mean is paleontology can verify or falsify unicorns.

That's what YOU mean - you're wrong. Paleontology can verify unicorns, but it can't falsify it, all it can do is confirm that we do not yet have evidence in support.

O.

[Leonard James]

No, what we mean is paleontology can verify or falsify unicorns.

That's what YOU mean - you're wrong. Paleontology can verify unicorns, but it can't falsify it, all it can do is confirm that we do not yet have evidence in support.

O.

Just like "God".

[Walt Zingmatilder]

In any case your claim that we have to temporarily set aside theistic beliefs is as sensible as saying that you have to temporarily set aside their love for their partners, family etc.

A desperately misguided and mistaken comparison. Theism makes positive putative truth claims, opining about states of affairs which according to the theist are true. It also entails that wholly undefined entities can randomly and arbitrarily do inexplicable things by unknown means on a whim at any time, thus rendering the universe a chaotic, incoherent, random mess with absolutely no possibility of ever coming to understand how things work. That's why science is atheistic.

Science is methodological materialism. Nothing more nothing less. It is incapable of speaking from the heart of any deeply held belief. Not even yours.

What a desperate sounding post.

Science doesn't help the likes of you making the likes of your ''case''.

There is at base no conflict between science and religion. That is just in your head.

[Sassy]

For a number of months now, there has been a drip-feed of threads and posts suggesting that the more educated one is, the less likely one is to be religious.

Now I haven't read the whole of this paper, so am not sure of every ramification, but it does suggest that this is no longer the case - though it seems to have been, prior to about the 1970s.

http://bit.ly/1sEcZ74

It should be noted that it is American research carried out in an American context - but then, of course, American ideas and practices tend to travel across the Atlantic 

Has anyone carried out any research as to the correlation between educational achievement and atheism, in the way so much has been claimed to have been done into that between educational achievement and religious belief?

By the way, for many years, one of the real issues around the make up of the church - both conformist and non-conformist (though perhaps less so) - was that it was seen very much as middle-class/professional/well-educated in make-up.

I think they confuse child-like faith with the other type of faith.

Education does not give you your faith...

[Leonard James]

Education does not give you your faith...

Conversely education can, if your are lucky, get you to see through your "faith".