Refugees migrants, would you give a room in your home?

[JP]

You missed out racist.

[dadvokat]

So you were casting aspertions due to a link I posted.

Not only on the basis of that but on the basis of pretty well everything I've seen you post, which has been one long stream of xenophobic, anti-Muslim, anti-refugee propaganda.

I re-posted a link from another source but you have suddenly changed the topic and no apology either. I suppose thats answers your question.

What is it I'm supposed to be apologising for, precisely?

so not wanting this country to be flooded with economic migrants is racist? you will find that the majority of people do not want this country to open its border to tens of thousands of migrants. Of course you belong to the labour lovies club who do not  live in the real world and want open borders?. So, no apology forthcomg then? Oh but you havent even expressed an opinion - too busy sniping from the sidelines..

[JP]

Yes the lefties. They know what's good you you and how dare you have a different point of view, how dare you disagree with them. The people who opened the floodgates of mass immigration in the 90's and followed GWB which, in part, created the mess we have now.

Roll on Corbyn, it will shatter the party and make them unelectable forever.

[Shaker]

so not wanting this country to be flooded with economic migrants is racist? you will find that the majority of people do not want this country to open its border to tens of thousands of migrants. Of course you belong to the labour lovies club who do not  live in the real world and want open borders?

That's a superb example of exactly the kind of splenetic, ugly, poisonous rhetoric I was referring to. Well done.

So, no apology forthcomg then?

I've already asked what it is that I'm supposed to be apologising for, but we've already established that you don't answer straight questions.

[JP]

And shouting people down with the usual descriptors, brow beating people to believe they are simply haters and racists allows things like Rotherham to thrive, nay, be encouraged.

[Shaker]

Nobody's shouting anybody down. dadvokat has the absolute right of reply to anything I've said, only he seems to be unequal to the job, or uninterested in doing so, or busy ... take your pick.

[dadvokat]

Nobody's shouting anybody down. dadvokat has the absolute right of reply to anything I've said, only he seems to be unequal to the job, or uninterested in doing so, or busy ... take your pick.

Oh really - your responses suggest otherwise. Carry on with the usual bolshie intolerance 'my point of view is always right' and if you disagree you are a bigot, a xenophobe and a racist. "How dare you question the left wing mantra of open borders and let them all in."

I am not going to lead you back to the message where you should have offered an apology butthen I do not think you are big or gracious enough.

Oh and you still havent expressed a point of view about how many refugees (economic migrants) you think the UK should allow. Anywhere near the German total of 800,000? Should we be worried about security and IS sleepers inflitrating European borders?

[Nearly Sane]

And shouting people down with the usual descriptors, brow beating people to believe they are simply haters and racists allows things like Rotherham to thrive, nay, be encouraged.

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[Shaker]

Oh really

Yes, really.

your responses suggest otherwise.

Only to you.

Carry on with the usual bolshie intolerance 'my point of view is always right'

If I didn't think my opinions were right I shouldn't hold them.

and if you disagree you are a bigot, a xenophobe and a racist.

That's how your posts come across, yes.

"How dare you question the left wing mantra of open borders and let them all in."

That's not a mantra I've heard chanted by anybody of any political persuasion. Looks like madey-uppy bullshit to me.

I am not going to lead you back to the message where you should have offered an apology

That's because it doesn't exist. I've now asked you twice what it is you think I'm supposed to apologise for and you've been unable to answer the question, so I conclude that it doesn't exist.

Oh and you still havent expressed a point of view about how many refugees (economic migrants) you think the UK should allow. Anywhere near the German total of 800,000?

No, that would be too many for a country two-thirds the size of Germany with the population density we already have.

Should we be worried about security and IS sleepers inflitrating European borders?

No, that's paranoid Muzzies-under-my-bed swivel-eyed twaddle.

[Rhiannon]

Dadvokat, IIRC you are British Asian? How did your family arrive in the UK?

[dadvokat]

Oh really

Yes, really.

your responses suggest otherwise.

Only to you.

Carry on with the usual bolshie intolerance 'my point of view is always right'

If I didn't think my opinions were right I shouldn't hold them.

and if you disagree you are a bigot, a xenophobe and a racist.

That's how your posts come across, yes.

"How dare you question the left wing mantra of open borders and let them all in."

That's not a mantra I've heard chanted by anybody of any political persuasion. Looks like madey-uppy bullshit to me.

I am not going to lead you back to the message where you should have offered an apology

That's because it doesn't exist. I've now asked you twice what it is you think I'm supposed to apologise for and you've been unable to answer the question, so I conclude that it doesn't exist.

Oh and you still havent expressed a point of view about how many refugees (economic migrants) you think the UK should allow. Anywhere near the German total of 800,000?

No, that would be too many for a country two-thirds the size of Germany with the population density we already have.

Should we be worried about security and IS sleepers inflitrating European borders?

No, that's paranoid Muzzies-under-my-bed swivel-eyed twaddle.

At last after dithering one straight answer and by refusing to accept more then 20,000 Syrian migrants, I accuse you being a bigot and an islamophobe. How does that feel? You don't think IS haven't thought about using this route to infiltrate European borders but you wouldn't. You are in favour of tens of thousands of economic migrants roaming across the EU borders refusing to be documented and fingerprinted? Well done what a fecking law abiding citizen you are except people like you are endangering the safety of our countrymen but hey as long as you can prove you are a limp wristed luvie who doesn't care the impact migration will have on schools, social services, housing and health service for the indigenous peoples of this country you don't care, do you. Give that man a medal for being a bleeding heart liberal of the year to be presented by comrade Corbyn.

[dadvokat]

Dadvokat, IIRC you are British Asian? How did your family arrive in the UK?

Not quite sure what my background and personal circumstances has to do with anything? Suffice to say they didn't arrive in the back of the lorry as clandestines or using forged documents. Why do you need to ask?

[Shaker]

At last after dithering one straight answer and by refusing to accept more then 20,000 Syrian migrants, I accuse you being a bigot and an islamophobe. How does that feel? You don't think IS haven't thought about using this route to infiltrate European borders but you wouldn't. You are in favour of tens of thousands of economic migrants roaming across the EU borders refusing to be documented and fingerprinted? Well done what a fecking law abiding citizen you are except people like you are endangering the safety of our countrymen but hey as long as you can prove you are a limp wristed luvie who doesn't care the impact migration will have on schools, social services, housing and health service for the indigenous peoples of this country you don't care, do you. Give that man a medal for being a bleeding heart liberal of the year to be presented by comrade Corbyn.

You sound utterly unhinged.

[Shaker]

At last after dithering one straight answer and by refusing to accept more then 20,000 Syrian migrants, I accuse you being a bigot and an islamophobe. How does that feel? You don't think IS haven't thought about using this route to infiltrate European borders but you wouldn't. You are in favour of tens of thousands of economic migrants roaming across the EU borders refusing to be documented and fingerprinted? Well done what a fecking law abiding citizen you are except people like you are endangering the safety of our countrymen but hey as long as you can prove you are a limp wristed luvie who doesn't care the impact migration will have on schools, social services, housing and health service for the indigenous peoples of this country you don't care, do you. Give that man a medal for being a bleeding heart liberal of the year to be presented by comrade Corbyn.

You sound utterly unhinged.

It's the effect you have on people, dear!

😄

No it isn't - take a trawl through davokat's posts (as I'm afraid I have) and you'll see that he was gibbering in exactly the same Daily Mail terms long before I started posting here again.

[dadvokat]

At last after dithering one straight answer and by refusing to accept more then 20,000 Syrian migrants, I accuse you being a bigot and an islamophobe. How does that feel? You don't think IS haven't thought about using this route to infiltrate European borders but you wouldn't. You are in favour of tens of thousands of economic migrants roaming across the EU borders refusing to be documented and fingerprinted? Well done what a fecking law abiding citizen you are except people like you are endangering the safety of our countrymen but hey as long as you can prove you are a limp wristed luvie who doesn't care the impact migration will have on schools, social services, housing and health service for the indigenous peoples of this country you don't care, do you. Give that man a medal for being a bleeding heart liberal of the year to be presented by comrade Corbyn.

You sound utterly unhinged.

You mean you won't accept that you want this country to let in 500,000 migrants (your own assertion of Germany being two thirds larger then the UK) and now realise how moronic that sounds to even the most left wing 'let's have open borders' red brigade.  Unhinged indeed...

[dadvokat]

At last after dithering one straight answer and by refusing to accept more then 20,000 Syrian migrants, I accuse you being a bigot and an islamophobe. How does that feel? You don't think IS haven't thought about using this route to infiltrate European borders but you wouldn't. You are in favour of tens of thousands of economic migrants roaming across the EU borders refusing to be documented and fingerprinted? Well done what a fecking law abiding citizen you are except people like you are endangering the safety of our countrymen but hey as long as you can prove you are a limp wristed luvie who doesn't care the impact migration will have on schools, social services, housing and health service for the indigenous peoples of this country you don't care, do you. Give that man a medal for being a bleeding heart liberal of the year to be presented by comrade Corbyn.

You sound utterly unhinged.

It's the effect you have on people, dear!

😄

No it isn't - take a trawl through davokat's posts (as I'm afraid I have) and you'll see that he was gibbering in exactly the same Daily Mail terms long before I started posting here again.

Ah so you have been going through my posting history. Lol I have to confess I haven't checked any of your previous posts as I know they will be utter gibberish. 

[Shaker]

Ah so you have been going through my posting history.

Alas, yes, but in the spirit of amassing further evidence of what I already knew.

Lol I have to confess I haven't checked any of your previous posts as I know they will be utter gibberish. 

Coming from somebody who can't even string together a properly-spelled and correctly-punctuated sentence, that's praise indeed.

[dadvokat]

Ah so you have been going through my posting history.

Alas, yes, but in the spirit of amassing further evidence of what I already knew.

Lol I have to confess I haven't checked any of your previous posts as I know they will be utter gibberish. 

Coming from somebody who can't even string together a properly-spelled and correctly-punctuated sentence, that's praise indeed.

And you have dodged and evaded all the questions put to you - you are just a legend in your own little mind. I will leave you to go on a witch hunt for daily mail reading swivel eyed Loons, racists and islamophobes. 

[Rhiannon]

Dadvokat, IIRC you are British Asian? How did your family arrive in the UK?

Not quite sure what my background and personal circumstances has to do with anything? Suffice to say they didn't arrive in the back of the lorry as clandestines or using forged documents. Why do you need to ask?

Because one of my best friends is a British Asian whose family was given the chance to start a new life here after being expelled from Uganda by Idi Amin. My own background includes Irish immigrants who came here much earlier to escape famine. This country has a history of giving people without much hope a chance and I wondered why you object to paying our good fortune forward.

[dadvokat]

Dadvokat, IIRC you are British Asian? How did your family arrive in the UK?

Not quite sure what my background and personal circumstances has to do with anything? Suffice to say they didn't arrive in the back of the lorry as clandestines or using forged documents. Why do you need to ask?

Because one of my best friends is a British Asian whose family was given the chance to start a new life here after being expelled from Uganda by Idi Amin. My own background includes Irish immigrants who came here much earlier to escape famine. This country has a history of giving people without much hope a chance and I wondered why you object to paying our good fortune forward.

Only 28000 Ugandan Asians were allowed in and they all had British passports. Are you saying that anyone with immigrant roots should NEVER express an opinion about controlling immigration.  How perverse.

[Shaker]

And you have dodged and evaded all the questions put to you

I remember only one question being put to me (the specific number of refugees the UK should take, for which I have no specific answer). I know for certain that I've asked you the same question twice which you declined to answer, so why should I bother?

I will leave you to go on a witch hunt for daily mail reading swivel eyed Loons, racists and islamophobes. 

Well, so long as you remain a member of this forum, I can always count on finding one.

[Rhiannon]

Dadvokat, IIRC you are British Asian? How did your family arrive in the UK?

Not quite sure what my background and personal circumstances has to do with anything? Suffice to say they didn't arrive in the back of the lorry as clandestines or using forged documents. Why do you need to ask?

Because one of my best friends is a British Asian whose family was given the chance to start a new life here after being expelled from Uganda by Idi Amin. My own background includes Irish immigrants who came here much earlier to escape famine. This country has a history of giving people without much hope a chance and I wondered why you object to paying our good fortune forward.

Only 28000 Ugandan Asians were allowed in and they all had British passports. Are you saying that anyone with immigrant roots should NEVER express an opinion about controlling immigration.  How perverse.

No, but I'm wondering why you are so against offering a safe haven to the victims of a terrible war if migration gave your family a safe haven - same as mine got. That isn't the same as saying that you have no right to discuss immigration control - but nobody is advocating uncontrolled immigration, are they? That isn't what this discussion is about.

[dadvokat]

I don't believe they are refugees. They have travelled through several safe countries and have refused to be documented or fingerprinted. Does that sound like the actions of refugees? They have refused to claim asylum and have travelled from Turkey, Greece, Macedonia, Serbia, Hungary and Austria. They are demanding to pick and choose their country of residence. Does that sound like the action of refugees?

And of course why just Syrians? And not Eritreans, afghans, Iraqis  Somalis, Sudanese and Pakistanis? How many more people can we accept? You do realise that the great migration movement from sub Saharan Africa and Middle East is still going on and likely to carry on for a long time. We are full up with a severe housing shortage, pressure on schools, GP surgeries and NHS? I stated the same thing about East European migration which would have shot down that imbecile shakers baseless accusations.

[Shaker]

No, but I'm wondering why you are so against offering a safe haven to the victims of a terrible war if migration gave your family a safe haven - same as mine got. That isn't the same as saying that you have no right to discuss immigration control - but nobody is advocating uncontrolled immigration, are they? That isn't what this discussion is about.

It's a peculiar phenomenon, Rhi, and one that I've seen more times than I can possibly remember - I refer to refugees being extended the hand of friendship, safety and security in what will become their adopted home, only later to say that there should be no more of the very thing that got them there in the first place because the country is "full up."

It's not usual amongst immigrants but it's not especially rare, either, given the amount of times I've seen it, which in itself is based on the fact that I live in what is possibly the most multicultural, ethnically diverse place in the United Kingdom (I mean Leicester). I suspect that it's probably explainable by some relatively simple but rather depressing facets of human psychology.

[Shaker]

And of course why just Syrians? And not Eritreans, afghans, Iraqis  Somalis, Sudanese and Pakistanis? How many more people can we accept? You do realise that the great migration movement from sub Saharan Africa and Middle East is still going on and likely to carry on for a long time. We are full up with a severe housing shortage, pressure on schools, GP surgeries and NHS? I stated the same thing about East European migration which would have shot down that imbecile shakers baseless accusations.

No it wouldn't. I don't remember such a thread - it may have been before I returned to this forum - but I would have thought then, as I think now, that you're just as much of a minuscule-minded, callous, xenophobic thrombosed haemorrhoid about eastern Europeans as you are about Syrians.