Refugees migrants, would you give a room in your home?

[dadvokat]

Hand-waving.

Why might the people we welcome into the country as refugees end up as a threat to our way of life? Be specific.

Perhaps rose might have been talking about this?

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/05/27/us-sweden-riots-idUSBRE94Q0E620130527

[JP]

Somebody really pleased to be in Europe with a special message for the people of his new home....

www.youtube.com/watch?v=A74bMcJdH0s

[dadvokat]

Hand-waving.

Why might the people we welcome into the country as refugees end up as a threat to our way of life? Be specific.

Perhaps rose might have been talking about this?

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/05/27/us-sweden-riots-idUSBRE94Q0E620130527

Yes that's the sort of thing plus the rise of the far right as a result.

The far right are a big enough threat as it is and in a way threaten us more than the immigrants.

Basically I'd rather avoid the conditions that give them  power, so would the Irainian taxi driver in the article, I'm sure.

I expect he is worried about it too.

I've got a feeling he would understand exactly what I meant.

Absolutely and that's what I was trying to allude to when I mentioned 4 million people voting for UKIP. There has been a rise in far right political parties in Sweden and Denmark. If people feel their voices are being ignored they will steer towards extremist parties. A German colleague was telling me that there is a lot of disquiet in Germany about merkels announcement of accepting 800000 migrants but anyone expressing views against this is slapped down by shouts of having nazi sympathies. There are questions that need to be addressed? Syria has a population of 17 million and with the civil war reaching a stalemate how many more Syrians will be fleeing the country? How many can Europe accept realistically? Is Yvette coopers proposal  to accept 50,000 Syrians practical and at what stage will the UK public opinion change against accepting large numbers of migrants? Should the UK together with the allies invade Syria with troops on the ground and depose Assad and destroy IS? The parliament has already voted against the military involvement in Syria. There is more to this then salvaging our conscience and feeling good about doing the right thing.

[OH MY WORLD!]

Every Arab state waging their proxy war in Syria, should be funding,taking in and resettling the bulk of the refugees. Most don't like the idea of resettlement because it encourages more Syrians to flee that country.

[dadvokat]

Some Arab states are happy to throw petrodollars at the problem but will not allow a single Syrian to settle in their countries. It's about keeping out the wrong type of Muslims and preserving their ethnic identity.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-34173139

[dadvokat]

The other interesting snippet of Information I read was that the Hungarian authorities had listed 30 nationalities making their way to the promised land of merkel. The Frau really doesn't know how her foolhardy decision will not only be a massive pull factor but how destabilising it will be for other schengen member states.

[Sriram]

They are saying that Germany can accommodate many more asylum seekers, at least 500000 per year for many more years.
 
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34185353

Not bad I say!

[OH MY WORLD!]

If the situation was different and we were the one fleeing, I bet most of these refugees would happily give us a room in their homes.

[Udayana]

They are saying that Germany can accommodate many more asylum seekers, at least 500000 per year for many more years.
 
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34185353

Not bad I say!

Ha! Within a couple of years they'd have their own civil war to worry about!

[Sriram]

Yes....many of our solutions are the source of our future problems.

The idea some people have that the world is someday going to be a idyllic place with equality for all individuals with everyone leading a carefree, liberated and hedonistic life....is obviously just a dream. 

[dadvokat]

Frau Merkel has embarked on a social experiment which can only end in tears. She is trying to import large unprecedented number of people with completely different culture and outlook in life and in many ways different to the host community. She needs to regenerate population as German women are not producing enough children but this is just a stupid and a foolhardy step which will not only create disorder in neighbouring member states due to schengen but will break German society apart in the future.

[dadvokat]

A couple of interesting news stories I came across.

http://www.rt.com/news/270214-bavaria-muslim-school-clothes/

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/saudi-arabia-offers-germany-200-mosques--one-for-every-100-refugees-who-arrived-last-weekend-10495082.html

[Shaker]

Accidentally stumbled across them, dadvokat?

[dadvokat]

Accidentally stumbled across them, dadvokat?

Why - do you think we should not discuss these because you might consider them to be controversial?

[Shaker]

Accidentally stumbled across them, dadvokat?

Why - do you think we should not discuss these because you might consider them to be controversial?

That's not a response to my question.

In answer to the "Why?" - because while one of the links in your previous post was from the Independent, the other was from some media outlet I'd never heard of called RT. Because I've never heard of it I looked it up. It turns out to be:

RT is a Russian pro-putinist state-funded propaganda network which runs cable and satellite television channels, as well as Internet content directed to audiences outside the Russian Federation.

and elsewhere:

RT has been called a propaganda outlet for the Russian government and its foreign policy by former Russian officials and by news reporters, including former RT reporters. It has also been accused of spreading disinformation. The United Kingdom media regulator Ofcom has threatened RT with sanctions because of repeated violations of its rules on impartiality.

Pretty obscure, I think you'll agree. It seems to me that given the views you're on record as having stated repeatedly, you're simply trawling the Web for any stories which to your mind might show refugees in a negative light no matter how slightly, which was why I asked if you'd stumbled across those stories accidentally (you know - that question you wouldn't answer).

I think the answer is obvious, which is why you didn't provide it.

[Udayana]

RT is unreliable, but the story was covered by the Die Weld a respectable German newspaper. It is fact.

It's perfectly reasonable to believe that Islamists may see the influx of refugees into Europe as a desirable side effect of their other activities, helping to spread the message of Islam.

[Shaker]

Is it?

[dadvokat]

If you had tried to investigate this story, you would have found it on various media outlets. But its quite obvious where you are coming from. I have made my views quite clear. I live in the south east and we are FULL. We do not need more economic migrants from anywhere in the world.

http://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/other/german-school-prohibits-revealing-clothing/ar-AAcFny5

[Shaker]

If you had tried to investigate this story, you would have found it on various media outlets. But its quite obvious where you are coming from.

If it's so obvious you won't have a moment's trouble in saying exactly where I'm "coming from," then, will you?

Not that you will, answering questions clearly not being your thing.

I have made my views quite clear.

Haven't you just.

I live in the south east and we are FULL. We do not need more economic migrants from anywhere in the world.

I thought we were discussing the refugees from the Syrian crisis.

At least, I was.

[Udayana]

Is it?

Why is it that Saudi and the other Gulf states, with plenty of land and money, are not allowing in many of those fleeing Syria, Afghanistan etc? imo they know the refugees carry sectarian and ethnic conflicts that they don't want to be embroiled in - though they seem happy enough to fund it elsewhere.

[Shaker]

Why is it that Saudi and the other Gulf states, with plenty of land and money, are not allowing in many of those fleeing Syria, Afghanistan etc?

I've no idea. If I had to guess I'd say that we already know that these countries are ones with horrific human rights abuses (abundant evidence provided on request) who don't give two shiny shites about their own citizens let alone those from elsewhere, and who don't give a damn about those suffering in the worst refugee crisis since the very end of WWII.

imo they know the refugees carry sectarian and ethnic conflicts that they don't want to be embroiled in - though they seem happy enough to fund it elsewhere.

That's an opinion based on what?

[Udayana]

The escalation of conflicts in Pakistan, following refugees from Afghanistan mostly.

[The Accountant, OBE, KC]

The widely held opinion that Saudi Arabia, the biggest of the Gulf nations, hasn't taken in a single refugee may well be incorrect. Nabil Othman, acting regional representative to the Gulf region at the United Nations' refugee agency, UNHCR, told Bloomberg there were 500,000 Syrians in that country. Saudi Arabia, like all of the Gulf states, is not a signatory to the UN refugee convention, so these displaced people are not officially designated as refugees.

http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2015-09-04/why-don-t-gulf-states-accept-more-refugees-

An article giving possible reasons for Gulf states not taking in more refugees due to the potential for conflict based on existing demographics as the Gulf states already have a lot of foreign workers in proportion to locals, whereas there is apparently less of a risk in European countries where the refugees will be a very small percentage of the host population. 

As I stated on another thread in relation to this topic, I live in London, and think the refugees are entitled to do what they need to do to secure the future of their children and if that means coming to London and reducing my standard of living, so be it. Refugee camps are no place for people to live long-term - they are unsafe and there are few prospects to improve your situation. Education becomes disrupted and women and girls especially are sexually exploited because they have nowhere to run and nowhere else to go. That was happening on a regular basis in refugee/ IDP camps in Sri Lanka.

[dadvokat]

If you had tried to investigate this story, you would have found it on various media outlets. But its quite obvious where you are coming from.

If it's so obvious you won't have a moment's trouble in saying exactly where I'm "coming from," then, will you?

Not that you will, answering questions clearly not being your thing.

I have made my views quite clear.

Haven't you just.

I live in the south east and we are FULL. We do not need more economic migrants from anywhere in the world.

I thought we were discussing the refugees from the Syrian crisis.

At least, I was.

So you were casting aspertions due to a link I posted. I re-posted a link from another source but you have suddenly changed the topic and no apology either. I suppose thats answers your question.

[Shaker]

So you were casting aspertions due to a link I posted.

Not only on the basis of that but on the basis of pretty well everything I've seen you post, which has been one long stream of xenophobic, anti-Muslim, anti-refugee propaganda.

I re-posted a link from another source but you have suddenly changed the topic and no apology either. I suppose thats answers your question.

What is it I'm supposed to be apologising for, precisely?