Refugees migrants, would you give a room in your home?

[dadvokat]

No, but I'm wondering why you are so against offering a safe haven to the victims of a terrible war if migration gave your family a safe haven - same as mine got. That isn't the same as saying that you have no right to discuss immigration control - but nobody is advocating uncontrolled immigration, are they? That isn't what this discussion is about.

It's a peculiar phenomenon, Rhi, and one that I've seen more times than I can possibly remember - I refer to refugees being extended the hand of friendship, safety and security in what will become their adopted home, only later to say that there should be no more of the very thing that got them there in the first place because the country is "full up."

It's not usual amongst immigrants but it's not especially rare, either, given the amount of times I've seen it, which in itself is based on the fact that I live in what is possibly the most multicultural, ethnically diverse place in the United Kingdom (more so by far than London: I mean Leicester). I suspect that it's probably explainable by some relatively simple but rather depressing facets of human psychology.

So what are you now - a fecking psychologist? Lol.

So you are from Leicester? Explains your inferior complex.

[Shaker]

So what are you now - a fecking psychologist? Lol.

No, just someone capable of reading and forming an opinion based upon that reading.

So you are from Leicester? Explains your inferior complex.

I presume this mangled mess is supposed to mean "inferiority complex"? Which one is that, then?

So what are you now - a fecking psychologist? Lol.

[dadvokat]

And of course why just Syrians? And not Eritreans, afghans, Iraqis  Somalis, Sudanese and Pakistanis? How many more people can we accept? You do realise that the great migration movement from sub Saharan Africa and Middle East is still going on and likely to carry on for a long time. We are full up with a severe housing shortage, pressure on schools, GP surgeries and NHS? I stated the same thing about East European migration which would have shot down that imbecile shakers baseless accusations.

No it wouldn't. I don't remember such a thread - it may have been before I returned to this forum - but I would have thought then, as I think now, that you're just as much of a minuscule-minded, callous, xenophobic thrombosed haemorrhoid about eastern Europeans as you are about Syrians.

Proof if any were needed that you really are an imbecile. So I do hope you have registered to open your home for a Syrian family? Or are you just all mouth? jmind you not many would want to move to that decrepit hell hole. <whistle>.

[dadvokat]

Thought I might have an intelligent convo with rhi but I see he is still lurking around and sniping from the sidelines so I m off for the evening. Adios.

[Nearly Sane]

The Irony in this thread threatens to just become pish

[Nearly Sane]

Sniping from the sidelines - or rather a lazy well poison.

[Shaker]

Adios.

That's a foreign word.

[dadvokat]

I don't believe they are refugees. They have travelled through several safe countries and have refused to be documented or fingerprinted. Does that sound like the actions of refugees? They have refused to claim asylum and have travelled from Turkey, Greece, Macedonia, Serbia, Hungary and Austria. They are demanding to pick and choose their country of residence. Does that sound like the action of refugees?

And of course why just Syrians? And not Eritreans, afghans, Iraqis  Somalis, Sudanese and Pakistanis? How many more people can we accept? You do realise that the great migration movement from sub Saharan Africa and Middle East is still going on and likely to carry on for a long time. We are full up with a severe housing shortage, pressure on schools, GP surgeries and NHS? I stated the same thing about East European migration which would have shot down that imbecile shakers baseless accusations.

I know there are posters on this forum who will try and stop me from expressing my views but I won't be put off by these little hitlers and stalins.

Here goes - are these people refugees or economic migrants?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/eu/11837295/Watch-live-migrants-on-the-move-across-Europe.html

[Shaker]

Oh, the poor little me martyr card is played 

Nobody is trying to stop you from expressing your views; they're being challenged and criticised, which is clearly something you're not used to judging by your rather infantile, self-pitying reaction.

[dadvokat]

Oh, the poor little me martyr card is played 

Nobody is trying to stop you from expressing your views; they're being challenged and criticised, which is clearly something you're not used to judging by your rather infantile, self-pitying reaction.

Your bullying behaviour as evidenced on this thread is there for all to see. You probably still think you are back at school with infantile name-calling. I am sure you have realised that you have been shown up to be just an Internet keyboard warrior.  How pathetic. Please do come back and post on this thread if you have anything sensible to add. I won't be holding my breath.

[Shaker]

I won't be holding my breath.

Please say you'll try!

[The Accountant, OBE, KC]

Dadvokat, the irony of you complaining about infantile name-calling....clearly you don't read your own posts. You do know how to read, don't you....?

I think many of the refugees would be an asset to the country - most of the Syrians I know are quite intelligent, certainly more intelligent than Dadvokat ( judging by his posts), hardworking and resourceful and their children do well at school - the UK economy will probably benefit from their input.

Also, given that the bombing campaign in Syria and this whole situation to topple Assad, an ally of Russia, is severely tainted by U.S. and Saudi's desire to control oil and gas supply to Europe and thereby cut Russia and Iran's revenue, and weaken the Russian and Iranian economies in order to reduce Russian and Iranian influence in the region as well as the domestic popularity of their leaders - I figure the Syrian refugees might as well settle down and start populating the European country of their choice while the U.S., Russians, Iranians and Saudis finish the job of reducing their country of birth to rubble, since this war is not going to finish any time soon.

ETA - oops forgot to mention the Iranians. This article explains those supporting Assad against those seeking to overthrow him, and why this means vetoing of any UN resolutions to resolve the conflict.

http://www.npr.org/sections/parallels/2013/08/28/216385513/who-are-syrias-friends-and-why-are-they-supporting-assad

[dadvokat]

Dadvokat, the irony of you complaining about infantile name-calling....clearly you don't read your own posts. You do know how to read, don't you....?

I think many of the refugees would be an asset to the country - most of the Syrians I know are quite intelligent, certainly more intelligent than Dadvokat ( judging by his posts), hardworking and resourceful and their children do well at school - the UK economy will probably benefit from their input.

Also, given that the bombing campaign in Syria and this whole situation to topple Assad, an ally of Russia, is severely tainted by U.S. and Saudi's desire to control oil and gas supply to Europe and thereby cut Russia and Iran's revenue, and weaken the Russian and Iranian economies in order to reduce Russian and Iranian influence in the region as well as the domestic popularity of their leaders - I figure the Syrian refugees might as well settle down and start populating the European country of their choice while the U.S., Russians, Iranians and Saudis finish the job of reducing their country of birth to rubble, since this war is not going to finish any time soon.

ETA - oops forgot to mention the Iranians. This article explains those supporting Assad against those seeking to overthrow him, and why this means vetoing of any UN resolutions to resolve the conflict.

http://www.npr.org/sections/parallels/2013/08/28/216385513/who-are-syrias-friends-and-why-are-they-supporting-assad

Yes they would be an asset as long as they don't share islamofascist tendencies of some parts of the Muslim community in the UK and rest of Europe. The last thing we need is for some of them to start plotting against the British state and then going to join IS. Eh gabs you were saying? Hope you have offered to take in some Syrian families or are they the wrong type of Muslims?

[dadvokat]

So all 800,000 Syrians being allowed into Europe/Germany are highly qualified engineers and consultants? Wow how lucky we are in Europe to be hosting such a forward looking intelligent people. All we have to worry about is they do not turn against us infidels and do not bring their civil war and inter faith fighting on the streets of Europe. Not sure if Germany are going to take up the Saudi offer of building 200 mosques for the migrants but I suppose that will keep them happy. Do you think Saudis might one day build a church in their country?

[dadvokat]

Oh and gabs why the selective criticism levelled at me about name calling?

Is it cause I is brown? <PMSL>

[dadvokat]

I saw on this mornings news that some of the Syrian refugees in Jordan are thinking of heading towards Greece because the aid has dried up and they are not now getting the £1 a day to live off.


I can't find it now to show you,  but this report mentions the aid drying up, perhaps I wasn't watching BBC news


http://www.dw.com/en/new-wave-of-refugees-possible-due-to-cuts-in-un-aid/a-18710185

So even the ones in the rest of the Middle East could be coming.

The gist of the report on this mornings news was that they would prefer to take the risk of the journey rather than watch their children starve.

What an awful situation to be in.

And I agree Julie. The refugee crisis is being faced by Jordan, Lebanon and Turkey and not Greece Hungary Austria and other western countries as they are facing an illegal economic migrant crisis. And I hope Cameron's decision to accept 20,000  refugees from un camps happens sooner to alleviate the suffering.

[dadvokat]

Germans having second thoughts? All is not well in Europe.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/sep/13/germany-border-crackdown-deals-blow-to-schengen-system

[The Accountant, OBE, KC]

Dadvokat, the irony of you complaining about infantile name-calling....clearly you don't read your own posts. You do know how to read, don't you....?

I think many of the refugees would be an asset to the country - most of the Syrians I know are quite intelligent, certainly more intelligent than Dadvokat ( judging by his posts), hardworking and resourceful and their children do well at school - the UK economy will probably benefit from their input.

Also, given that the bombing campaign in Syria and this whole situation to topple Assad, an ally of Russia, is severely tainted by U.S. and Saudi's desire to control oil and gas supply to Europe and thereby cut Russia and Iran's revenue, and weaken the Russian and Iranian economies in order to reduce Russian and Iranian influence in the region as well as the domestic popularity of their leaders - I figure the Syrian refugees might as well settle down and start populating the European country of their choice while the U.S., Russians, Iranians and Saudis finish the job of reducing their country of birth to rubble, since this war is not going to finish any time soon.

ETA - oops forgot to mention the Iranians. This article explains those supporting Assad against those seeking to overthrow him, and why this means vetoing of any UN resolutions to resolve the conflict.

http://www.npr.org/sections/parallels/2013/08/28/216385513/who-are-syrias-friends-and-why-are-they-supporting-assad

Yes they would be an asset as long as they don't share islamofascist tendencies of some parts of the Muslim community in the UK and rest of Europe. The last thing we need is for some of them to start plotting against the British state and then going to join IS. Eh gabs you were saying? Hope you have offered to take in some Syrian families or are they the wrong type of Muslims?

I haven't registered with my local council to house refugees - thanks for reminding me. Given that I benefit from the plots by the US and Saudi governments against the Syrian state regarding oil and gas deals which contributed to the civil war, I would be willing to give up a room in my house for the benefit of the relatively cheap oil that I and my fellow Brits use and profit from. I would probably also temporarily house US and UK oil and gas company executives and UK politicians - though would be a bit wary about the tendency of certain members of the establishment to cover-up sexual abuse, given I have 2 daughters in the house.

I've had refugees I didn't know and my mother didn't know stay with me before when I was a kid, until they found their feet and moved out and brought their family over. In fact the wife of one of those former refugees is currently tutoring my elder daughter in chemistry, physics and biology at a bargain rate, and despite my daughter being diagnosed as dyslexic her school report put her as one of the best at chemistry in her year.

[The Accountant, OBE, KC]

Oh and gabs why the selective criticism levelled at me about name calling?

Is it cause I is brown? <PMSL>

I wasn't criticising you for name-calling, I was laughing at you about the irony of you complaining about name-calling. You really should take some lessons in English comprehension so you learn to understand what you read.

[Sassy]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-34150371


How do you feel about opening up our borders and allowing all the refugees in?

Are people here prepared to share their houses with refugees?

The pictures of the small boy who drowned was very sad and people reacted emotionally to the situation and we now have some  celebs claiming our refusal to let them all in, is racist and based on the colour of their skin ( which I think is rubbish)

But can Britain cope? And what about the 13000 homeless people on bristols housing waiting list, that already exist among the people who already live here?

Is it racist to consider the effect on your fellow countrymen?

Why does it cost £50,000 for each unaccompanied child refugee? Most of us don't even earn that much, so our children have to make do with less.

What should we be doing in your opinion?

I'm torn between thinking we can't take large numbers and it isn't fair on people who already live here, and the humanitarian situation.

We have our own people living on the streets, some dying everyday due to pneumonia and other complications... If they cannot look after our own why should you think that they can look after refugees.

We cannot take more people. Let America or France or Germany take them.
UK is fast becoming the dumping ground for the unwanted nations of the world.
Send them back and give them the aid at home. If it is food and a home they want then let the leaders give them the aid in their own country,

[Sassy]

Dadvokat, the irony of you complaining about infantile name-calling....clearly you don't read your own posts. You do know how to read, don't you....?

I think many of the refugees would be an asset to the country - most of the Syrians I know are quite intelligent, certainly more intelligent than Dadvokat ( judging by his posts), hardworking and resourceful and their children do well at school - the UK economy will probably benefit from their input.

So their intelligence is going to feed them is it?
We have intelligent people here already who cannot get jobs and have no homes.
As for benefiting the economy how does putting our own on the streets for refugees benefit the economy?

Also, given that the bombing campaign in Syria and this whole situation to topple Assad, an ally of Russia, is severely tainted by U.S. and Saudi's desire to control oil and gas supply to Europe and thereby cut Russia and Iran's revenue, and weaken the Russian and Iranian economies in order to reduce Russian and Iranian influence in the region as well as the domestic popularity of their leaders - I figure the Syrian refugees might as well settle down and start populating the European country of their choice while the U.S., Russians, Iranians and Saudis finish the job of reducing their country of birth to rubble, since this war is not going to finish any time soon.

War or no War THIS Country cannot afford these refugees.

ETA - oops forgot to mention the Iranians. This article explains those supporting Assad against those seeking to overthrow him, and why this means vetoing of any UN resolutions to resolve the conflict.

http://www.npr.org/sections/parallels/2013/08/28/216385513/who-are-syrias-friends-and-why-are-they-supporting-assad

No reasons given to support refugees coming here or how we afford to keep them
See to our own homeless first then look to help others.

[The Accountant, OBE, KC]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-34150371


How do you feel about opening up our borders and allowing all the refugees in?

Are people here prepared to share their houses with refugees?

The pictures of the small boy who drowned was very sad and people reacted emotionally to the situation and we now have some  celebs claiming our refusal to let them all in, is racist and based on the colour of their skin ( which I think is rubbish)

But can Britain cope? And what about the 13000 homeless people on bristols housing waiting list, that already exist among the people who already live here?

Is it racist to consider the effect on your fellow countrymen?

Why does it cost £50,000 for each unaccompanied child refugee? Most of us don't even earn that much, so our children have to make do with less.

What should we be doing in your opinion?

I'm torn between thinking we can't take large numbers and it isn't fair on people who already live here, and the humanitarian situation.

We have our own people living on the streets, some dying everyday due to pneumonia and other complications... If they cannot look after our own why should you think that they can look after refugees.

We cannot take more people. Let America or France or Germany take them.
UK is fast becoming the dumping ground for the unwanted nations of the world.
Send them back and give them the aid at home. If it is food and a home they want then let the leaders give them the aid in their own country,

Their country is in the middle of a civil war, which by the way various weapons manufacturers are making money from - you should check out the profits made by these companies and the news reports of bribes paid to secure contracts during these turbulent times. So no, they can't be given aid in their own country until the war stops and whichever of our oil and gas companies do whatever deals they need to do with the new government. Also, the aid money has run out in the refugee camps in Jordan and Lebanon - there is a severe shortfall in aid funding, so the people have to leave the camps and head to nearby Europe if they want to stay alive. 

[The Accountant, OBE, KC]

So their intelligence is going to feed them is it?

Yes - intelligence and hard-work - the refugees and migrants I know do multiple, non-professional jobs, share accommodation, are very frugal  in their spending and manage to even save money and pay tax.

War or no War THIS Country cannot afford these refugees.

The refugees seem to disagree with you - hence they are coming legally or illegally.

[Sriram]

Borders closing?!!

https://in.news.yahoo.com/austria-lets-migrants-unhindered-despite-germany-checks-085612571.html

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Two decades of frontier-free travel across Europe unravelled on Monday as countries re-established border controls in the face of an unprecedented influx of migrants, which broke the record for the most arrivals by land in a single day.

Germany's surprise decision to restore border controls on Sunday had a swift domino effect, prompting neighbours to impose checks at their own frontiers as thousands of refugees pressed north and west across the continent while Hungary sealed the main informal border crossing point into the European Union.

A majority of EU interior ministers, meeting in Brussels, agreed in principle to share out 120,000 asylum seekers on top of some 40,000 distributed on a voluntary basis so far, EU president Luxembourg said. But details of the deal, to be formalised on Oct. 8, were vague with several ex-Communist central European states still rejecting mandatory quotas.

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[Sassy]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-34150371


How do you feel about opening up our borders and allowing all the refugees in?

Are people here prepared to share their houses with refugees?

The pictures of the small boy who drowned was very sad and people reacted emotionally to the situation and we now have some  celebs claiming our refusal to let them all in, is racist and based on the colour of their skin ( which I think is rubbish)

But can Britain cope? And what about the 13000 homeless people on bristols housing waiting list, that already exist among the people who already live here?

Is it racist to consider the effect on your fellow countrymen?

Why does it cost £50,000 for each unaccompanied child refugee? Most of us don't even earn that much, so our children have to make do with less.

What should we be doing in your opinion?

I'm torn between thinking we can't take large numbers and it isn't fair on people who already live here, and the humanitarian situation.

We have our own people living on the streets, some dying everyday due to pneumonia and other complications... If they cannot look after our own why should you think that they can look after refugees.

We cannot take more people. Let America or France or Germany take them.
UK is fast becoming the dumping ground for the unwanted nations of the world.
Send them back and give them the aid at home. If it is food and a home they want then let the leaders give them the aid in their own country,

Their country is in the middle of a civil war, which by the way various weapons manufacturers are making money from - you should check out the profits made by these companies and the news reports of bribes paid to secure contracts during these turbulent times. So no, they can't be given aid in their own country until the war stops and whichever of our oil and gas companies do whatever deals they need to do with the new government. Also, the aid money has run out in the refugee camps in Jordan and Lebanon - there is a severe shortfall in aid funding, so the people have to leave the camps and head to nearby Europe if they want to stay alive.

And therein lies the answer.... Are they really refugees? Or just escaping the war their leaders have created?
Our Gas and oil companies are NOT at war with their country.
Where do you think the funding will come from in this Country? What makes us responsible for all those other nations...NOTHING. But UK are always the dumping ground and the money givers. Their wars are their responsibility just as the people are their own countries responsibility. Just as our people are own responsibility and need to be put first.

IT ISN'T OUR RESPONSIBILITY...
It is like Marie Antoinette saying "They have no read...then let them eat  cake."  If there is no bread there is no bloody cake and we cannot afford to look after our own let alone other foreign countries shortfall.

We did NOT start their war. We are NOT responsible for their war. So we are not responsible for their NEED to BUY weapons. Something which every country has to do if they go to war.

Do something about their camps and do somethings about stopping weapons being sold.
But bringing them here in a country overflowing with foreigners is not the answer.

We as British People are losing our voice and right to say because of so many refugees already here. It is time to shut the flood gates before the dam breaks. IT is time to look after our own and give our surplus to the rest.