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« Reply #100 on: September 15, 2015, 08:26:01 AM »
So their intelligence is going to feed them is it?
Yes - intelligence and hard-work - the refugees and migrants I know do multiple, non-professional jobs, share accommodation, are very frugal  in their spending and manage to even save money and pay tax.

Are you really so blind. There are no jobs for our own and the refugees already here. There is not enough homes for those already here. This is OUR Country let their own Country provide for them or relinquish control to other outside powers who can.

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War or no War THIS Country cannot afford these refugees.
The refugees seem to disagree with you - hence they are coming legally or illegally.
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Whether they agree or not. They are NOT UK citizens and are not native of the UK. 
May be the governments of other countries should seize power in their countries and send them back. Oh no! it would not be right for you to allow that to happen but it is okay for them to over run our Country and make it so eventually they can take our Country.

No we are tired of being the worlds dumping ground. If we had not had ancestors and family who worked to make this country what it is today then these people would not be coming here would they. No let them make their own country livable. Let them ask other countries to intervene and take their country back and bring peace. We have our own to look after first then we can take care of the rest.
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« Reply #101 on: September 15, 2015, 08:29:51 AM »
And you call yourself a 'Christian' Sass? :o Your comments make me want to vomit! >:(

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« Reply #102 on: September 15, 2015, 03:03:49 PM »
I haven't read the most recent posts, so am not sure whether this has been said before, but I wonder how much of a disservice we are doing to the countries from which these refugees are coming.  Some time in the next few years, it is likely that a country like Syria will stabilise and need educated and otherwise wealthy people to run the administrations that run the country.

Germany have already stated that they will accept the million-odd migrants asking to go there on the grounds that they have an aging population and decreasing birth rate, and therefore need a fresh influx of the young and able.  They are not going to be happy or willing(?) to let these important replacements go back to Syria or wherever they originated from once those places stabilise. 

In a way, this willingness to take these educated refugees is simply exacerbating the rich get richer and the poor get poorer syndrome that bedevils humanity - just on a national, as opposed to an individual level.
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« Reply #103 on: September 17, 2015, 08:08:45 AM »
Nice article.....

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-34270077

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1. Syrians are a small minority of those seeking refuge. While the tragedy of those fleeing Syria's terrible civil war has caught the popular imagination, such people formed just 20.1% of those seeking asylum in Germany from January to August 2015.

If you add together the Balkan arrivals (from Albania, Kosovo, Serbia, and Macedonia) they amount to twice that, 40.2%. The figures for those granted refuge are quite different because many of the applications from Balkan countries are rejected.

It's hard to avoid the conclusion that tens of thousands of people from relatively peaceful countries have joined the trek to Germany, which is seen as one of the most desirable places in Europe to live.

To put it more bluntly: they are taking advantage of and increasing this crisis.ge in Germany.

2. While many people have argued that fences "will never work", the early signs are that Mr Orban's policy of sealing the Hungarian-Serbian border is already having the effect he wanted. It channels people to registration areas (from where they can continue to Germany or elsewhere) and dissuades others from trying to cross.

It will be interesting to see whether those trying to circumvent the fence include many from those Balkan and other nationalities with weaker grounds for asylum.

3. The most desperate may avoid Europe.  One of the most shocking aspects of the Syrian story is the degree to which donor countries have reduced aid to the refugee camps or failed to keep pace with the growing numbers in them.

Food aid for refugee camps in Jordan has therefore been halved recently and many who live in rented accommodation away from camps now no longer get it at all.

Firstly, thousands of refugees are returning to Syria - aid agencies say the numbers doing that have doubled in recent months. Secondly, people are trying to find cheaper ways to Europe.

Reports this week suggest large numbers of people in Erdine and Istanbul bus stations seeking to travel towards Bulgaria. This is a way of avoiding the costly Mediterranean crossing (and also, potentially, Hungary's fence).

4. From the outset, Germany has sought help by appealing to other European nations to show solidarity, particularly in the matter of receiving more migrants and indeed accepting binding quotas on them.

In the end it is the particular desirability of certain countries, notably Germany, that makes it so hard to find quick or indeed more equitable solutions.

Mrs Merkel's nation not only faces long-term demographic issues without migration but is the richest and most desirable destination in Europe. In this, as in the Euro crisis, German leadership is central.

5. This week's reimposition of border controls has led some to predict the imminent demise of the Schengen system of unrestricted travel. Last week it was the survival of another principle, enshrined in the Dublin Regulations, which stipulates refugees must seek asylum in the first EU country they reach, that seemed to be in doubt.

The direction of travel now appears to be in the direction of a reassertion of the Dublin Regulations.

This would see large facilities planned in those countries where the largest numbers arrive in the EU, many more deportations of those not granted asylum and the possibility of assessment camps being set up in north Africa too.

Little by little Europe is shutting its back doors.

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Re: Refugees migrants, would you give a room in your home?
« Reply #104 on: September 19, 2015, 07:48:17 AM »


Here is a video which is perhaps controversial but interesting.  Worth watching!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Ztp2GWOrck

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« Reply #105 on: September 19, 2015, 05:00:28 PM »


Here is a video which is perhaps controversial but interesting.  Worth watching!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Ztp2GWOrck

Yes, it is interesting but it's also a propaganda video. We have the BNP and the EDL but there are a lot of other 'splinter' groups, and this is just another. 
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« Reply #106 on: September 21, 2015, 11:30:21 AM »
So gabs one non English brown person criticising another non English brown person's use of English language is IRONY indeed.

Also you want 17 million Syrians assimilated in Europe as anecdotally you have found them and other asylum seekers to be very intelligent and hard working and productive. Strange really as you couldn't have spoken to too many Syrian women as I have read a report that even before the civil war less then 13% of women in Syria were working as they needed their husbands (fathers) permission to work. They will be productive indeed in Germany as mutti merkel wants baby breeding machines to increase Germany's population. And do look up the socio economic stats for the Somali community in the UK and Europe to disprove your claim about asylum seekers alleged productivity.
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« Reply #107 on: September 21, 2015, 11:46:18 AM »
Observing events unfold in Europe as the economic migrants mainly young men demand to move across Europe without being registered or fingerprinted I must say that Cameron has played a blinder. By accepting 20,000 real refugees from the camps he has set an example of not rewarding those people who have paid people smugglers tens of thousands of pounds to ferry them undocumented  to Western Europe. Let the Europeans fight amongst themselves thanks to merkel not putting her brain into gear before opening her big gob.

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« Reply #108 on: October 01, 2015, 10:04:27 AM »
All's not well in mutti merkels 'Deutschland uber alles' Utopian paradise.

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/09/29/fresh-calls-segregation-germanys-migrant-camps-battles-rage/

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« Reply #109 on: October 01, 2015, 09:23:49 PM »
So gabs one non English brown person criticising another non English brown person's use of English language is IRONY indeed.
Why is it ironic? Are you under the impression that skin-colour has any bearing on the ability to use the English language? English was exported to many former colonies. My mother used to correct my spelling when I wrote her letters from university and she studied English in India while I went to school here, so no I don't see it as note-worthy for a non-English brown person to criticise my English.

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Also you want 17 million Syrians assimilated in Europe as anecdotally you have found them and other asylum seekers to be very intelligent and hard working and productive. Strange really as you couldn't have spoken to too many Syrian women as I have read a report that even before the civil war less then 13% of women in Syria were working as they needed their husbands (fathers) permission to work. They will be productive indeed in Germany as mutti merkel wants baby breeding machines to increase Germany's population. And do look up the socio economic stats for the Somali community in the UK and Europe to disprove your claim about asylum seekers alleged productivity.
I didn't mention 17 million Syrians or the Somali community. I expressed the opinion that the Syrians I have encountered have been intelligent and hard-working, as are many other refugees I have encountered, so they would probably be an asset.

I believe the Syrian refugees are coming to Europe in order to provide a future for their kids. Only a small percentage of the children in refugee camps in Turkey and Jordan are enrolled in school, as they need to work instead of go to school in order to feed their family as the donor aid has run out. Oxfam issued a statement that “With inadequate aid funds, more people in need will have to resort to desperate survival strategies such as child labour or early marriage,”
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« Reply #110 on: October 02, 2015, 02:30:02 PM »
So gabs one non English brown person criticising another non English brown person's use of English language is IRONY indeed.
Why is it ironic? Are you under the impression that skin-colour has any bearing on the ability to use the English language? English was exported to many former colonies. My mother used to correct my spelling when I wrote her letters from university and she studied English in India while I went to school here, so no I don't see it as note-worthy for a non-English brown person to criticise my English.

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Also you want 17 million Syrians assimilated in Europe as anecdotally you have found them and other asylum seekers to be very intelligent and hard working and productive. Strange really as you couldn't have spoken to too many Syrian women as I have read a report that even before the civil war less then 13% of women in Syria were working as they needed their husbands (fathers) permission to work. They will be productive indeed in Germany as mutti merkel wants baby breeding machines to increase Germany's population. And do look up the socio economic stats for the Somali community in the UK and Europe to disprove your claim about asylum seekers alleged productivity.
I didn't mention 17 million Syrians or the Somali community. I expressed the opinion that the Syrians I have encountered have been intelligent and hard-working, as are many other refugees I have encountered, so they would probably be an asset.

I believe the Syrian refugees are coming to Europe in order to provide a future for their kids. Only a small percentage of the children in refugee camps in Turkey and Jordan are enrolled in school, as they need to work instead of go to school in order to feed their family as the donor aid has run out. Oxfam issued a statement that “With inadequate aid funds, more people in need will have to resort to desperate survival strategies such as child labour or early marriage,”

And of course you never indulge in infantile name calling - Kettle pot black eh gabs? I thought <pmsl> at the end of my sentence would have given you a clue that your leg was being pulled.

You did state that based on your anecdotal evidence of meeting a few syrian refugees who were highly qualified and motivated you thought that Syrians should be allowed to reside as refugees in any EU member state they chose. I am sure some member states have employment opportunities for camel breeders, fruit sellers, halal butchers and goat and sheep herders. How many Syrians should EU let in? 800,000, 2 million, 17 million? I pointed out to you that only 13% of Syrian women worked so they couldn't be too productive in Europe apart from being baby breeding machines that mutti merkel wants possibly. And of course from the EU stats almost 70% of those so called Syrian migrants (you do know tens of thousands of Syrian passports are on sale?) who have made it to Europe are young single males. Perhaps they will call for their families at a later date. Hope the EU member states have enough housing to accommodate everyone knocking at the door for years to come. Also I thought that if you were a refugee you couldn't pick and choose which country you wanted to claim asylum in? You seem to be under the impression that they could?

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« Reply #111 on: October 05, 2015, 01:56:05 PM »
For the benefit of people like you who need to go to remedial English classes, I wasn't complaining about your name-calling. I was commenting on the irony of you whinging about someone else name calling, when you indulge in it so eagerly yourself at every opportunity - probably because you don't seem to have the brains to actually debate an issue. My only point was that given your tendency to call people names on this MB, you look utterly ridiculous when you whinge and try to act like a victim on here.

Also, I didn't say the Syrians (refugees or otherwise) whom I had met were highly qualified. I just said they were intelligent, hard-working and resourceful and that they were a motivated bunch - which would be useful for the societies they joined. You were the person who said anything about them being highly qualified engineers and consultants. Like  I said, you will find it useful to go to remedial English classes before you take part in any more discussions on here.

As for whether the Syrians "should" be allowed to settle in Europe - as far as I am concerned if their neighbourhoods are being bombed by ISIS or other anti-Assad rebel forces or Assad's own forces on behalf of the US/ UK/ European/Russian/ Saudi governments, and if there is no more money to feed, house, educate millions of them or their families in refugee camps in Lebanon/ Jordan/ Turkey and no job opportunities for them because they are denied work permits in those countries, then they would have to settle in Europe.

"Should" doesn't really come into it - assuming they are not all willing to die in order to not inconvenience you, your way of life, or current standard of living. If I was in their predicament, I would head to where I had a hope of having some future. Single young men travelling to a foreign country as refugees or migrants and sending money back home or sending for their family later once they have the means, is pretty standard - it's been happening for centuries.

 

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« Reply #112 on: October 05, 2015, 04:21:40 PM »
And it's noted that you resort to name calling when you get uncomfortable with what is being discussed. Do you think you can extrapolate your anecdotal experience of meeting several Syrian migrants to hundreds, thousands, tens of thousands of Syrians? I asked you about Somali community in the UK and Europe and their socio economic stats and how well they have integrated? I also commented on the productivity of Syrian women and how useful they would be to the economy when only 13% worked in Syria. But then your modus operandi is well known. Evade anything you find uncomfortable and divert discussion away from topic under discussion. Write reams of totally irrelevant tripe and pass it off as something 'intelligent'.

Btw, why should Syrian economic migrants be allowed to roam around Europe and pick and choose their country where they want to claim asylum in? The EU rules are that third country nationals should claim asylum in the first safe country they come to. Also why should Germany, Sweden, UK and other European countries offer asylum when they haven't been responsible for bombing Syria? Why can't other Arab/ Muslim countries offer sanctuary to their fellow co-religionists? Surely they would be ,more comfortable in Muslim Saudi Arabia/ Gulf States then Christian Germany/Sweden/UK? Is it because not all is well amongst the ummah with the continuation of 1400 year old old Sunni/Shia schism in the Muslim world and the tacit acknowledgement of the failure of Islam.

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« Reply #113 on: October 06, 2015, 07:03:33 AM »
So German authorities are now estimating no of asylum claims this year will double to 1.5 million from previous estimate of 800,000. Doubts expressed whether services will be able to cope.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3344883/posts

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« Reply #114 on: October 06, 2015, 10:15:14 AM »
And it's noted that you resort to name calling when you get uncomfortable with what is being discussed.
I haven't been on here much recently and can't remember calling anyone names, but to jog my memory feel free to present some evidence that I have called people names. Otherwise, you noting anything is probably as accurate as your ability to comprehend English. I do label some posts as stupid or denigrate some "special" people's powers of comprehension or debating ability and I am pretty sure I would have been very comfortable at the time and probably enjoyed it.

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Do you think you can extrapolate your anecdotal experience of meeting several Syrian migrants to hundreds, thousands, tens of thousands of Syrians?
I think the refugees and migrants will be similar to the people in the host communities in Europe - i.e. given similar opportunities of education and social stability, some refugees will excel, some will do ok and some will need to be carried. I don't have a problem with that.

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I asked you about Somali community in the UK and Europe and their socio economic stats and how well they have integrated?
I am discussing the Syrian refugees, so the Somalian community does not have much relevance to this discussion. Are you extrapolating the experiences of the Somalian community to the Syrian refugees?
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I also commented on the productivity of Syrian women and how useful they would be to the economy when only 13% worked in Syria.
Most of the refugees are single men. I imagine that there will be more opportunities for Syrian women to enter the work force in Europe and more of a necessity for them to do so. But if Syrian women refugees are being productive bringing up children in a family unit, I think they are as useful to the economy as working men, since that would reduce some of the costs to society of the downside of two working parents, even if we lose the benefit of an additional worker and the benefits of financial independence of both parents.

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But then your modus operandi is well known. Evade anything you find uncomfortable and divert discussion away from topic under discussion. Write reams of totally irrelevant tripe and pass it off as something 'intelligent'.
In other words you can't handle it if someone else holds a different opinion from you and you find it difficult to understand what is written in posts. Yes well, we already established that your powers of comprehension are pretty limited.

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Btw, why should Syrian economic migrants be allowed to roam around Europe and pick and choose their country where they want to claim asylum in? The EU rules are that third country nationals should claim asylum in the first safe country they come to.
I am pretty sure you would be singing a different tune if Britain had a different geographical location and was the first country they came to. In that situation, I am pretty sure you would be insistent that other countries take their fair share of refugees.

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Also why should Germany, Sweden, UK and other European countries offer asylum when they haven't been responsible for bombing Syria?
Because it is a humane thing to do. Also because the UK, Germany and France have been benefiting economically and politically from selling weapons used in the war in Syria. Where do you think the various groups in Syria are getting their arms from? 41% of UK arms exports go to Saudi Arabia. Saudi works with British and US intelligence to get weapons and funding to anti-Assad forces, which have also often ended up in the hands of ISIS. Meanwhile Russia is supplying weapons to pro-Assad forces. This war is set to run and run, hence the flow of people coming out of Syria.

The volume of international transfers of major weapons in 2010–14 was 16 per cent higher than in 2005–2009 (see figure 1). The five biggest exporters in 2010–14 were the United States, Russia, China, Germany and France,and the five biggest importers were India, Saudi Arabia, China, the United Arab Emirates (UAE) and Pakistan.The flow of arms to Africa, the Americas, Asia and Oceania, and the Middle East increased significantly between 2005–2009 and 2010–14, while there was a notable decrease in the flow to Europe.

In 2010–14 Saudi Arabia became the world’s second largest arms importer, receiving four times more major arms than in 2005–2009. Major imports in 2010–14 included 45 combat aircraft from the UK, 38 combat helicopters from the USA, 4 tanker aircraft from Spain and over 600 armoured vehicles from Canada. Saudi Arabia has a long list of outstanding orders for arms, including 27 more combat aircraft from the UK, 154 combat aircraft from the USA and a large number of armoured vehicles from Canada.

http://books.sipri.org/files/FS/SIPRIFS1503.pdf

I guess they get weapons and pass them on to various factions, and we all get the refugees those weapons create.

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Why can't other Arab/ Muslim countries offer sanctuary to their fellow co-religionists? Surely they would be ,more comfortable in Muslim Saudi Arabia/ Gulf States then Christian Germany/Sweden/UK? Is it because not all is well amongst the ummah with the continuation of 1400 year old old Sunni/Shia schism in the Muslim world and the tacit acknowledgement of the failure of Islam.
I already pointed out that Saudi has apparently taken in 500,000 Syrians - they just don't refer to them as refugees. But yes, the refugees feel more welcome in Europe. And yes there are issues caused by extremists and politicians exploiting the Sunni-Shia divide, though before the various recent invasions and uprisings in the ME against secular leaders, the Sunni and Shia communities had got on fairly ok for quite a long time and some people inter-married between the 2 communities.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-09-04/syria-s-refugees-feel-more-welcome-in-europe-than-in-the-gulf
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« Reply #115 on: October 06, 2015, 10:23:26 AM »
Gabriella, I know little about the religious divide but my gut feeling is that the beliefs of the weak and credulous are getting stoked by people whose aims ultimately will be secular - wealth and power. Do you agree?

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« Reply #116 on: October 06, 2015, 10:56:01 AM »
Absolutely. I agree with you. Religion has often been exploited by secular as well as religious leaders as one way of gaining support and establishing social control and consolidating their wealth and power. But I don't agree that these problems would go away if religion ceased to exist.

I think class divides, political allegiances, threats to withdraw financial support and patronage, any kind of 'tribal' or sectarian loyalty can be exploited to pressure people to support a particular leader and discriminate against others.

Fear of the "other" is also a useful device in gaining political support and those in power can use that fear to get acquiescence from the credulous to erosion of freedoms of the governed.
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« Reply #117 on: October 06, 2015, 12:09:16 PM »
How many refugees has Iran and Saudi Arabia taken?
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« Reply #118 on: October 06, 2015, 05:21:13 PM »
Comprehend English, Debating ability? At least gabs I don't bore people by posting reams of unadulterated tripe and textual diarrhoea and try and pass this off as intellectual discourse. I don't duck and dive and evade difficult points.

You talk about your anecdotal experience of several Syrians you have met who excel given opportunities. I asked you why Somalis haven't excelled and you have gone all coy. I wonder why? You have also claimed that Syrians should be able to claim asylum in any EU member state they want. I reminded you about EU laws called Dublin Regulation where a Third country national must claim asylum in the first safe member state they enter. You have suddenly been rendered speechless. (You could have bluffed your way out and claimed as some Muslims have that it's allah's world and a Muslim should be able to move anywhere they want unhindered.) You claim Saudi Arabia has taken 500,000 Syrians except they haven't been accepted as refugees or asylum seekers. They have only taken Syrians who are already working in other Arab countries and have been issued with work permits. You also write a thesis on Saudi arms purchases and countries who supply arms? Of course there is an arms race in various parts of the world so what? Who is forcing Arabs/Muslims to use these American/Russian/European arms to kill other Arabs/Muslims who have bought the same arms from the same sources? Why are Saudis bombing the sh1t out of Yemen? Ah yes houthi rebels in Yemen are being armed by Iran and it all boils down to Sunni-Shia conflict is it not? Stop blaming the west for the unresolved problems dating back to 632AD in the Muslim world. The west will sell arms to gullible oil rich Arab/Iranian/African States as that's how they make money to fuel their economies. Learn to deal with this reality - it ain't going to change anytime soon. Only if the ordinary citizens of these countries are educated and learn to recognise what is happening will they rise up and get rid of the their political masters.

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« Reply #119 on: October 06, 2015, 05:22:08 PM »
What's that you were saying about textual diarrhoea?
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« Reply #120 on: October 06, 2015, 05:24:58 PM »
What's that you were saying about textual diarrhoea?

My number 1 fan following me around. How sweet.

Did you have anything intelligent to add to the topic?

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« Reply #121 on: October 06, 2015, 05:25:36 PM »
No.

Just like you.
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« Reply #122 on: October 06, 2015, 05:27:48 PM »
No.

Just like you.

Nice of you to drop by.

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« Reply #123 on: October 07, 2015, 12:25:46 PM »
Comprehend English, Debating ability? At least gabs I don't bore people by posting reams of unadulterated tripe and textual diarrhoea and try and pass this off as intellectual discourse. I don't duck and dive and evade difficult points.
Yes - I agree it's beyond your ability to comprehend complexity so you find it boring. Stick to Kindergarten if you want everything black and white and in words of one syllable. And when you can't understand the responses to your point or you don't like your opinion being disagreed with, your standard response is to claim the person is ducking and diving.

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You talk about your anecdotal experience of several Syrians you have met who excel given opportunities. I asked you why Somalis haven't excelled and you have gone all coy. I wonder why?
You have not answered the question about whether you are extrapolating the experience of the Somali community to the Syrian community. Why so coy? Nor have you answered the question about why the Somali community are relevant to a thread that was started about the Syrian refugees. Why so coy?

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You have also claimed that Syrians should be able to claim asylum in any EU member state they want. I reminded you about EU laws called Dublin Regulation where a Third country national must claim asylum in the first safe member state they enter. You have suddenly been rendered speechless. (You could have bluffed your way out and claimed as some Muslims have that it's allah's world and a Muslim should be able to move anywhere they want unhindered.)
No - I haven't been rendered speechless, you just can't read. I said that if Britain was in a different location in Europe and was therefore the first safe member state the refugees enter, you would be demanding that other states take their fair share of refugees. The story in the OP was about the Mayor of Bristol wanting to take in Syrian refugees and calls for every city in Britain to take in 10 refugee families following the photo of a 3 year old drowned Syrian boy.

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You claim Saudi Arabia has taken 500,000 Syrians except they haven't been accepted as refugees or asylum seekers. They have only taken Syrians who are already working in other Arab countries and have been issued with work permits.
I stated the claims of the Saudi Foreign Ministry regarding Syrian refugees. You can read here their claim that they have taken in 2.5 million Syrian refugees.

https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/news/middle-east/21059-saudi-we-have-taken-in-25m-syrian-refugees

It's up to you whether you want to believe them or believe some other unverified source of information on the internet. It's not like you or I are ever going to investigate the issue and do a count of the number of Syrian refugees in Saudi.

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You also write a thesis on Saudi arms purchases and countries who supply arms?
I copied and pasted 2 short paragraphs of stats - which clearly your two brain cells could not cope with, hence you view that as some kind of thesis.

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Of course there is an arms race in various parts of the world so what? Who is forcing Arabs/Muslims to use these American/Russian/European arms to kill other Arabs/Muslims who have bought the same arms from the same sources? Why are Saudis bombing the sh1t out of Yemen? Ah yes houthi rebels in Yemen are being armed by Iran and it all boils down to Sunni-Shia conflict is it not? Stop blaming the west for the unresolved problems dating back to 632AD in the Muslim world. The west will sell arms to gullible oil rich Arab/Iranian/African States as that's how they make money to fuel their economies. Learn to deal with this reality - it ain't going to change anytime soon.
It's similar to the gun control argument - if the countries were not awash with these weapons, the militants would not be able to kill people on the scale that they do, neighbourhoods could not be bombed to destruction and people would not need to flee the country. I am not blaming the West - I am just stating that part of the reality, as you like to call it, is that our economy benefits from the sale of arms and clearly part of the cost of sales is the expense of taking in the resulting refugees fleeing from being massacred by the weapons we sold. Conflict is not just confined to the Middle East, so it seems the Sunni-Shia divide in the ME is probably being encouraged and exaggerated today by political figures as some kind of smokescreen for other agendas.

By the way, when the US/UK helped depose the elected leader of Iran in 1952 and install the secular Shah and his feared secret torture police, who was then overthrown by the Iranian revolution in 1979, was that due to the Sunni-Shia divide as well or was it due to nationalisation of iranian oil fields that reduced Britain's oil income?

Is the US/UK governments' current political and military support of the Saudi government caused by the Sunni-Shia divide or is it about money and oil?

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Only if the ordinary citizens of these countries are educated and learn to recognise what is happening will they rise up and get rid of the their political masters.
Whatever. Until that happens we, the ordinary citizens, will take in refugees and pay the price of having reduced public services even as we benefit from the revenue generated in our economy by the sale of weapons and the purchase of cheap oil.

No doubt the weapons manufacturers' directors and shareholders will feel very grateful to us while they watch their bonuses and share prices go up with each additional conflict. And their commissions to asset managers who manage their considerable funds will put a smile on their faces and  the corporate and personal donations to the party campaign coffers will also bring a smile to the faces of the politicians, and no doubt any resulting peerage will be equally welcome. All very cosy.
I identify as a Sword because I have abstract social constructs e.g. honour and patriotism. My preferred pronouns are "kill/ maim/ dismember"

Quite handy with weapons - available for hire to defeat money laundering crooks around the world.

“Forget safety. Live where you fear to live.” Rumi

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Re: Refugees migrants, would you give a room in your home?
« Reply #124 on: October 07, 2015, 02:45:11 PM »
Ok you really have stretched a point about my poor comprehension ability.  You need to repeat it to convince yourself that you are scoring a cheap point but you come across as desperate. You must have been told that you are a legend in your own mind and writing reams of boring irrelevance proves zilch.

In post#100 this is what you wrote
 '- I figure the Syrian refugees might as well settle down and start populating the European country of their choice ' Really? Why can they pick and choose any European country they fancy regardless of which EU member state they enter first. Are they asylum seekers or economic migrants? You haven't explained?

In post#112
'Yes - intelligence and hard-work - the refugees and migrants I know do multiple, non-professional jobs, share accommodation, are very frugal  in their spending and manage to even save money and pay tax.' So you have not met any Somali asylum seekers and migrants? Strange that. Evasion noted.

In post #127
'As for whether the Syrians "should" be allowed to settle in Europe - as far as I am concerned if their neighbourhoods are being bombed by ISIS or other anti-Assad rebel forces or Assad's own forces on behalf of the US/ UK/ European/Russian/ Saudi governments, and if there is no more money to feed, house, educate millions of them or their families in refugee camps in Lebanon/ Jordan/ Turkey and no job opportunities for them because they are denied work permits in those countries, then they would have to settle in Europe.'
So you claim that Assad/IS have been bombing syrian people  on behalf of the UK? Really?

And you defend Saudis in this post :
'I stated the claims of the Saudi Foreign Ministry regarding Syrian refugees. You can read here their claim that they have taken in 2.5 million Syrian refugees.'
For an Islamist like you who would smell a conspiracy theory in the London directory, You seem to be easily taken in by Saudi propaganda.

https://refugeeresettlementwatch.wordpress.com/tag/saudi-arabia/